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Offline tomba26

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Impact Driver.
« on: May 11, 2016, 04:37 PM »
I'd love Festool to manufacture a powerful, well balanced impact driver using the 18v 5.2ah batteries. A tough tool to rival the others on the market.
I'm using a Makita at the moment but would love to see a Festool offering I could use my batteries with.
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2016, 05:17 PM »
I agree an 18v "real" impact driver would be a winner.

I treasure my TI15 impact driver. It got a lot of bad press, but it's a great tool. I only use it in impact mode as I have a slew of other Festool drills.
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Offline Kev

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2016, 12:49 AM »
I agree an 18v "real" impact driver would be a winner.

I treasure my TI15 impact driver. It got a lot of bad press, but it's a great tool. I only use it in impact mode as I have a slew of other Festool drills.

Same, same ... I have a 400Nm Metabo impact wrench for anything "big", so my Ti15 being only dedicated to impact driving of medium stuff is  fine. Though I'd still pick up a new brushless 18V impact driver if Festool brought a decent one to the market [wink]

Offline demographic

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2016, 02:53 PM »
Thing is, it doesn't even have to be a world beater.
Just good enough.
That will mean Festool are  a far more viable prospect to the people who want the same battery platform across their cordless tools.
Might npt matter to the workshop wallas  who realistically could manage with corded tools but the site workers with restricted van space value it far more.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2016, 06:56 PM »
Given the surveys sent out in the past few months to various end users, as was reported here on the FOG, I would say there's probably one coming in the near future.
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Offline tony_sheehan

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2016, 02:51 AM »
Could I trouble one of you to explain to me what it was that was supposed to be so terrible about the Ti15? All the bad references I read never actually explain the reasons for its withdrawal.

Funny thing about impact drivers in general is that I always see them being used in situations where they're not necessary, or rather offer no advantage. Often it's in high end refurbishments that are about to be marketed for many millions of pounds where the electrical sockets and switches are all skewed and flecked with paint, the fancy lighting systems don't work properly and the floating floors bounce like a trampoline.....

Offline bobfog

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2016, 04:33 AM »
Could I trouble one of you to explain to me what it was that was supposed to be so terrible about the Ti15? All the bad references I read never actually explain the reasons for its withdrawal.

Funny thing about impact drivers in general is that I always see them being used in situations where they're not necessary, or rather offer no advantage. Often it's in high end refurbishments that are about to be marketed for many millions of pounds where the electrical sockets and switches are all skewed and flecked with paint, the fancy lighting systems don't work properly and the floating floors bounce like a trampoline.....

Yeah. My impact driver is a tool I sometimes go weeks  without using, but when I need it it's because I really needed. Really drives me crazy when people use them for driving small screws creating all that unnecessary noise.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2016, 05:03 AM »
My TI15 is used mostly to drive lag bolts into predrilled wood. It sees some use in driving large screws into predrilled wood. Having other Festool drills, I seldom tried to shift the TI15 into pure drill mode. I wax every lag bolt and large screw before inserting them.

I also have a Bosch SDS Impact driver. The SDS tool has only been used to drill holes in concrete.

I've seen dialogs on percussion drivers, impact drivers, and SDS drivers but I've found them difficult to remember.
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Offline Kev

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2016, 08:34 AM »
Yeah. My impact driver is a tool I sometimes go weeks  without using, but when I need it it's because I really needed. Really drives me crazy when people use them for driving small screws creating all that unnecessary noise.

I have a new neighbour that's a "builder". You'd think the only tool he has is an impact driver ... I'm tempted to suggest a new use for it [mad]

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2016, 09:35 AM »
Could I trouble one of you to explain to me what it was that was supposed to be so terrible about the Ti15? All the bad references I read never actually explain the reasons for its withdrawal.

Funny thing about impact drivers in general is that I always see them being used in situations where they're not necessary, or rather offer no advantage. Often it's in high end refurbishments that are about to be marketed for many millions of pounds where the electrical sockets and switches are all skewed and flecked with paint, the fancy lighting systems don't work properly and the floating floors bounce like a trampoline.....


   Personally I have found the Ti15 to be a perfectly fine impact driver. I think the innovation of being able to use it as a drill, while certainly a cool idea, is one of the things that killed it.  It is an OK drill, never meant to be the only drill someone has in their tool arsenal, but useable as a drill if needed. The other thing I found is that the drill adapter makes it front heavy, long, and a bit clumsy to use.

    But as an impact it works great!

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Offline Laminator

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2016, 10:44 AM »
Put me on the list as I would love to have an 18v Festool impact.  The only deal breaker for me would be  that it has to utilize the 1\4" quick couple as my makita.  If its centrotec only then forget it.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2016, 12:02 PM »
Meh  :-\

Offline demographic

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2016, 04:33 PM »
Could I trouble one of you to explain to me what it was that was supposed to be so terrible about the Ti15? All the bad references I read never actually explain the reasons for its withdrawal.

Funny thing about impact drivers in general is that I always see them being used in situations where they're not necessary, or rather offer no advantage. Often it's in high end refurbishments that are about to be marketed for many millions of pounds where the electrical sockets and switches are all skewed and flecked with paint, the fancy lighting systems don't work properly and the floating floors bounce like a trampoline.....

What was wrong with the fifteen volt one?

Does it take the same batteries as the cordless saws?
Theres yer answer then.

As for the rest of the post, was there a point you were trying to make in amongst all that? I kind of missed it.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2016, 04:56 PM »
Personally I have found the Ti15 to be a perfectly fine impact driver.

Snap. I bought it at the same time as the T15 set and have them together in a SYS2 attic. Never used it as a drill.

Offline tony_sheehan

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2016, 07:00 PM »

What was wrong with the fifteen volt one?

Does it take the same batteries as the cordless saws?
Theres yer answer then.

As for the rest of the post, was there a point you were trying to make in amongst all that? I kind of missed it.
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Not the same batteries but the same charger. But fair enough point.

My point? Well here's the thing (and it's not my intention here to offend those who use impact drivers legitimately) : There are a lot of situations that I witness where impact drivers are used by incompetents and/ or those who don't give a sh*t, the attitude often pervades throughout a whole company or whole site. Now you are possibly of the opinion that the use of an impact driver indicates nothing; I'm just saying that, to me, its inappropriate use is indicative of a certain attitude and I see a lot more residential developments than most.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2016, 07:46 PM »
I see what your saying about not so intelligent people taking an impact and running with it. I tend to disagree though. I find it a lot easier for myself and DEFINATELY layman to cam out a screw with a drill/driver.

Case in point I was helping a 65 year old man do a repair on his fence as a part of a much larger job on his rental property. One person needed to hold up the fence while it was screwed to the new sistered 2x4s. So I set him all up, jacked the fence into place and he ran the screws with my impact. On the other hand I've seen him struggle mightily with a regular drill on a smaller screw.

Same goes for me. I'll pick up an impact for all screw driving. Im comfortable enough feathering the trigger even on small screws.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2016, 08:01 PM »
While impact driver noise is annoying, those of us that use them in commercial/industrial work would never go back.  I do commercial door and locksmithing and often find that I can remove hinge screws that have been in and rusting for thirty years.  In the bad old days I would use a hand hammer driven tool and still would have to drill out most every screw head in order to make repairs.  Now between my 18V and 12V Milwaukees I seldom drill more than one or two screws no matter how old or corroded.  The 12V will remove and install most screws without stripping and The 18V drives the self tapping 12-24 hinge screws with ease.

Offline tony_sheehan

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2016, 08:44 PM »
While impact driver noise is annoying, those of us that use them in commercial/industrial work would never go back.  I do commercial door and locksmithing and often find that I can remove hinge screws that have been in and rusting for thirty years.  In the bad old days I would use a hand hammer driven tool and still would have to drill out most every screw head in order to make repairs.  Now between my 18V and 12V Milwaukees I seldom drill more than one or two screws no matter how old or corroded.  The 12V will remove and install most screws without stripping and The 18V drives the self tapping 12-24 hinge screws with ease.

The noise is annoying, yes, but your choice of tool here is entirely appropriate.  I have a maintenance contract with a self storage company which sometimes involves me driving a lot of self drilling screws into mild steel. For this I use an 18v makita impact (I'm usually  working in restricted areas often on a step ladder and the compact size of the makita is a boon). The noise of the impact driver is amplified by the steel panels= not nice!

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2016, 09:17 PM »
... A tough tool to rival the others on the market.
...

Which is the one for FT to rival?
The Makita or another?

Offline DB10

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2016, 11:05 PM »
I've owned my now for a few years and it has always worked well, I prefer using the Ti 15 to my Makita 18v impact, I've seen some good prices been advertised for the Ti 15 over the last year or so as dealers were getting rid of old stock. If you do manage to pick one up cheap and already have a few 14.4 batteries lying around you can't go wrong.

Offline sae

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2016, 02:00 AM »
Could I trouble one of you to explain to me what it was that was supposed to be so terrible about the Ti15? All the bad references I read never actually explain the reasons for its withdrawal.


It's not a terrible tool, in a vacuum...but compared to the rest of the market, it was underpowered, overpriced, and underdelivered as a result.


Will you be unhappy with it? Probably not...until you use any modern 18v impact driver...of which are doubling or tripling the rated output of the Ti15 nowadays.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2016, 09:23 AM »
The Ti's demise was because it wasn't outstanding in either of its 2 qualities for the price asked. Maybe had it been 18 volts could have helped it a bit. It was a good idea but not practical,those who own an impact probably own a drill also. An example of this is say you're pre-drilling for multiple lag bolts,would it be easier with 2 tools setup for the operation or one that you have to setup for each ?
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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2016, 09:48 AM »
... A tough tool to rival the others on the market.
...

Which is the one for FT to rival?
The Makita or another?

@Holmz I think this is a situation where Festool need not to over think it and just introduce something that can run with the pack at a reasonable price REALLY SOON. Further, I believe Festool need to round out their cordless range with a few more commonly used tools or their time in the cordless world could be short lived.

If someone is investing in their second or third generation of cordless tools they fully realise that there's a lot of saving and benefit with common batteries, chargers, etc. Imagine what happens when Makita or Metabo or ... bring out a decent cordless tracksaw.

I would suggest that Festool need an impact driver, angle grinder and sabre saw in the cordless line up right now.

Regardless of your thoughts on the brand, Dewalt have a comprehensive range of offerings now, particularly with cordless framing and finish nailers. Just saying ...

I've got a further thought, but I'll start a new topic.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2016, 11:36 AM »
IMO the cordless market is too volitile for the high end
Power tool market. Festool will never match the output of the big box competitors and as such shouldn't invest in a losing race for best battery tool. They can't afford the set up tooling to keep up with the race. Hate to bring it up but mafell did it right by contacting their batteries to Bosch and metabolism, the metabos future is uncertain

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2016, 12:27 PM »
I don't see Festool releasing these "common" cordless tools. They don't seem to have any interest in running with the big box brands, nor should they. To release a tool for the sake of releasing a tool hasn't seemed to be their MO.
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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2016, 12:39 PM »
I'm just saying festool won't be able to jewel up with cordless top advancement like the larger companies do. Cordless fits festool market as portable high end yet I think they should stick to things like their excellent routers and corded tools. Their drills were ahead of the game yet I personally don't feel they hold that title. They'd have to do something radically different in order to keep face

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2016, 12:47 PM »
I'm just saying festool won't be able to jewel up with cordless top advancement like the larger companies do. Cordless fits festool market as portable high end yet I think they should stick to things like their excellent routers and corded tools. Their drills were ahead of the game yet I personally don't feel they hold that title. They'd have to do something radically different in order to keep face

Or find a way to shrink their drills yet keep or increase the performance. I think their drills still hold an edge with the accessories, but if they made them smaller and kept or improved the power maybe that'd entice more buyers. Idk. I think their drills are awesome, just brainstorming on how they could keep pace.

Also, with brushless technology being so pronounced right now and so many manufacturers using brushless motors, maybe a new brushless CXS/TXS would be a good idea for Festool.

Or just completely redesign their drills all together and add the impact driver so many people want. Heck, even aneed impact wrench. Maybe the people who use the RO sanders for automobile polishing would jump at a Festool impact wrench. Or just give their new impact driver a socket chuck like the PDC.
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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2016, 02:47 PM »
While impact driver noise is annoying, those of us that use them in commercial/industrial work would never go back.  I do commercial door and locksmithing and often find that I can remove hinge screws that have been in and rusting for thirty years.  In the bad old days I would use a hand hammer driven tool and still would have to drill out most every screw head in order to make repairs.  Now between my 18V and 12V Milwaukees I seldom drill more than one or two screws no matter how old or corroded.  The 12V will remove and install most screws without stripping and The 18V drives the self tapping 12-24 hinge screws with ease.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2016, 05:46 PM »
I'm just saying festool won't be able to jewel up with cordless top advancement like the larger companies do. Cordless fits festool market as portable high end yet I think they should stick to things like their excellent routers and corded tools. Their drills were ahead of the game yet I personally don't feel they hold that title. They'd have to do something radically different in order to keep face

I doubt that they could do something radically different, because there are now many good platforms.

Unless one has a stack of batteries already then the only REAL difficulty is choosing which competitor's driver exceeds the non existent/IMAGINARY one.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2016, 08:51 PM »
Let's not forget that Festool had a much bigger rang of tools when they had Protool's full range. When it comes to new products they seem to have been more hampered taking 240V products to NA in 110V. This is not a problem for cordless in any way.

When I suggest that Festool "needs" to extend it's cordless range, it needs a way to stay relevant as the competing brands address niche areas. We can see was the flurry of new track saws, other brands are standing still.

Imagine what a radical change it would make if (lets say) European tool makers came up with a standardised cordless battery connection. All of a sudden Bosch, Metabo, Festool, Fein, Mafell, etc, etc would be smashing the big brands and pressuring them to conform.

I would love to see Festool kick off a battery compatibility initiative by building compatibility with Metabo - love their LiHD batteries (though the Hitachi merger may seriously inhibit Metabo from being a prospect).

Seeing this thread is about impact drivers ... I'd buy a Makita DTS141Z oil impulse impact tomorrow if it worked with any of my existing batteries. I'm not really a Makita fan, but you can understand why people would choose Makita as their base for cordless - the range of tools is massive including bicycles, coffee machines, etc [eek]

Now I'm not naive, obviously tool brands want you to be locked into their systems and go from buying an initial tool or tool set to continuing with the rest of their range in a "locked in" way.





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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2016, 09:56 PM »
(Ideally batteries would be like a 9v battery, where they are all the same - but clearly there is a form factor...)

@Kev and a DIM/ISO standard for rails...

Mafell is already teamed with Metabo, so there are a bunch cordless options that compete in quality with Festool.
If Festool, Metabo and Mafell were all on a standard battery platform it would certainly make life easier.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2016, 01:46 PM »
I'm using my TI impact 15V will get another 14.4 V battery for it and use it until it dies. The TI is easy and ergonomic in use, I would not buy an 18V impact to replace it as I don't do building work on a day to day basis. I recommend just getting one of the remaining TI impacts to festool users..

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2016, 01:58 PM »
I highly, highly doubt we will ever see a standardized battery platform. The point is to make money and outsell. Not work with your competitors and give away money.
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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2016, 02:09 PM »
I highly, highly doubt we will ever see a standardized battery platform. The point is to make money and outsell. Not work with your competitors and give away money.

Sadly realistic ... a third party disruptor is the best we could probably hope for. But then every tool brand would cry "warranty voided".

All of this market control with proprietary battery packs all housing the same handful of generic lithium cells is a pretty sad state of affairs when you think about it. A plastic box and a proprietary connector hiding the common truth!


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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2016, 02:18 PM »
There will never be battery compatibility between manufacturers - it has taken most of them a very long time to get some form of compatibility across the range of their own products. At least Festool has done quite well in this area.

As for the subject of this thread...

I will never forget a being told that impact drivers were too noisy and that is why Festool would not make one. I am sure that Festool have something up their sleeve but it better be something more than a hairy arm !

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2017, 11:36 AM »
Bump!  Get that tool made already!

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2017, 03:39 PM »
Festool have all but confirmed there will be an impact driver. Now, whether that will be a 2017 or 2018 release is really anyone's guess at this stage though.

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« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2017, 01:52 AM »
Festool have all but confirmed there will be an impact driver. Now, whether that will be a 2017 or 2018 release is really anyone's guess at this stage though.

I agree with Garry - there have been no denials and it really is about time they got into this important part of the market.

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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2017, 02:53 AM »
festool finally caught up to ryobi by implementing a battery gauge on their 18v line. its annoying enough when ppl keep tapping the trigger on a drill when the screw is almost to about to bottom out then to have them do this practice on a impact makes me want to die.
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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2017, 12:34 PM »
Festool have all but confirmed there will be an impact driver. Now, whether that will be a 2017 or 2018 release is really anyone's guess at this stage though.

I agree with Garry - there have been no denials and it really is about time they got into this important part of the market.

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Yeah, about time. Had me another wrist snapping experience the other day.
Would not have happened with an impact. It does not have to be the best impact on the market. It would be nice if it was very very good. :)
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Re: Impact Driver.
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2017, 05:32 PM »
I'm currently running a festool Ti15 impact driver have always loved it and like that it has all chucks that can work on it. Clearly it doesn't have the grunt as an impact driver or a drill that a dedicated tool has. My impact driver of chose is a Hilti they out perform the makita's on site based on all my staff who use them and our drill of choice on site since the protool version is the DRC 18 because it spins at 3600rpm and is a good all around drill.
I have always considered the TI15 as a finishing type tool/Cabinetry/Furniture it has never been used on site for the construction side.
Festool have now gone back to the drawing board on their impact driver and as you can see in this forum it has now leaked that a Impact driver is now coming. A close friend of mine recently not only saw it but handled it i believe in the R&D department in Germany at the festool manufacturing plant where supposedly it is now at the latter stage of testing.
It is coming!