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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2011, 03:17 PM »
what about a rim saw type affair?

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2011, 05:07 PM »
what about a rim saw type affair?
What is a rim saw???

I like the idea of the fixtures for more dust collection, also the 5mm left and right adjustment when everythings clamped down.

Maybe some mechanism that moves the material along the width of the blade when making cross cuts.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2011, 05:20 PM »

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2011, 08:28 AM »
sorry i meant ring saw

like this but for wood

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2011, 03:19 PM »
i am deligted i didnt spend the money on a kapex (it was very close) and kept my dw718. laser system that works, dtent over ride that works, blade guand that can easily my pushed up out of the way (with my thumb) easily, 300 mm blade.

if only i could make it lighter and with better dc
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2011, 03:26 PM »
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2011, 03:27 PM »
i am deligted i didnt spend the money on a kapex (it was very close) and kept my dw718. laser system that works, dtent over ride that works, blade guand that can easily my pushed up out of the way (with my thumb) easily, 300 mm blade.

if only i could make it lighter and with better dc

Wait, you can't push the Kapex's blade guard up?  I love being able to do it on my dewalt.  Actually, I do it every time I make a cut!
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2011, 03:28 PM »
i am deligted i didnt spend the money on a kapex (it was very close) and kept my dw718. laser system that works, dtent over ride that works, blade guand that can easily my pushed up out of the way (with my thumb) easily, 300 mm blade.

if only i could make it lighter and with better dc

I have the same saw but I changed the laser for the shadow light,the saw is a bit rubish but I would rather that than spend the extra and still have something that has so many issues.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2011, 03:53 PM »
I am not a fan of the dual triggers either.
I would prefer one large trigger similar to the Makita models.
The ergonomics of the Makita trigger are the most comfortable of all the drop saws I have used over the years.

The L.E.D. light is a great idea.
In a perfect world, every work site would be perfectly lit for safety reasons of course.
But lets be realistic, 99 percent of the time there is no power to the house I am building.
So there definitely is no internal lighting.
Apart from the portable lights I set up myself.
Power comes from a temporary switchboard, usually located 20 to 30 metres away with a limited number of power outlets. (4 to 8 maximum).

The L.E.D. light could be designed as an accessory that could be clipped on and off. This design could be used for multiple Festools. I would like to be able to safely clip a light on to my CMS also.
That way, the blokes that work in nice, shiny, clean, safe workshops do not have to purchase the light.

The depth adjustment is a bloody joke.
It failed miserably for me last week when using the saw to cut some halving joints.
I could not believe this $1800 saw could not cut a trench 45mm deep. 20 trenches to cut is a lot of work without the right tool.
I ended up using my trusty old Makita LS1013.
No thought has been put into this design what so ever.
I would love to meet the person who signed off on this particular feature.
The failure of the depth adjustment reeks of rushing a product to market.

I think the Kapex is an ok tool.
But knowing what I know now, I would never spend $1800 on a drop saw that has as many flaws as the Kapex.
It is the most expensive saw on the market, and its features should reflect the extremely high cost.
For me personally, of all the Festools I have purchased over the last 11 years, the kapex is certainly not worth the extreme price.

But knowing Festool, I am confident that the next generation will be an awesome tool which will be worthy of the lofty price tag.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2011, 04:16 PM »
i am deligted i didnt spend the money on a kapex (it was very close) and kept my dw718. laser system that works, dtent over ride that works, blade guand that can easily my pushed up out of the way (with my thumb) easily, 300 mm blade.

if only i could make it lighter and with better dc

Wait, you can't push the Kapex's blade guard up?  I love being able to do it on my dewalt.  Actually, I do it every time I make a cut!
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No which is one of the main down falls about the  kapex not being able to use your thumb to lift the guard up like most saws on the Market or have some sort of leaver on the handle so as you pull it lifting the guard up.

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2011, 04:49 PM »

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

Jmb
So let me understand this.
You are saying that every other saw manufacturer has their blade guard designed so that you can hold it up with your thumb while you cut?
I would really like to see that on their manuals/instructions that comes with the tool.
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2011, 05:43 PM »

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

Jmb
So let me understand this.
You are saying that every other saw manufacturer has their blade guard designed so that you can hold it up with your thumb while you cut?
I would really like to see that on their manuals/instructions that comes with the tool.

Dont be silly they don't put it in the manuals as people will just sue! but they do it cus they know what people want and it's actually safer then the kapex as it avoids people doing what needs to be done with the kapex to over come to problem I can't mentioned it as this post will be removed.

If you look around you will see most manufactures either made the guard so you can use your thumb to lift the guard or they have a trigger lever once pressed the guard lifts up with out the need to plunge the saw to lift the guard and this again is to get the guard out of the way so you can cut without the guard getting in the way!   Or do you just think they do it for fun? they just wanna be different? Oh wait it's not them who are different it's the kapex who's the odd one out.

Trust me manufactures do it for that very reason they ain't stupid they know people love being able to flip the guard up slightly using the thumb.  It's safer because as they let go the guard returns back down!  Unlike the kapex the method I am forced to use keeps the guard up permanently making it unsafe.




Most site workers I speak to and see on jobs use the thumb method when using their saws and it's one of the things they mention to me when using my kapex and they have a valid point. 


  Manuals? What's a manual? Never read them they are for novices.


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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2011, 06:30 PM »

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

Jmb
So let me understand this.
You are saying that every other saw manufacturer has their blade guard designed so that you can hold it up with your thumb while you cut?
I would really like to see that on their manuals/instructions that comes with the tool.

Dont be silly they don't put it in the manuals as people will just sue! but they do it cus they know what people want

Is that a fact?  or your opinion?????????


If you look around you will see most manufactures either made the guard so you can use your thumb to lift the guard or they have a trigger lever once pressed the guard lifts up with out the need to plunge the saw to lift the guard

I don't know of any miter saw that has something like that

Trust me manufactures do it for that very reason they ain't stupid they know people love being able to flip the guard up slightly using the thumb.  It's safer because as they let go the guard returns back down!  Unlike the kapex the method I am forced to use keeps the guard up permanently making it unsafe.

Trust you?  Where do you get your info?     again is this a fact? or something that you just come up with because you have no knowledge about it?



Most site workers I speak to and see on jobs use the thumb method when using their saws and it's one of the things they mention to me when using my kapex and they have a valid point. 


  Manuals? What's a manual? Never read them they are for novices.
Maybe you should start reading them!!

Jmb

I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2011, 06:48 PM »
dont be so hard on poor jmb. they dont print the manuals in his language.
i do that with my thumb also , its much safer than not doing it as the guard will get in the way or make something hit the spinning blade.
i would never remove the guard thow (i did on my table saw but only to put on a full blown overhead guard so that i could safely make all my cuts
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2011, 07:43 PM »
dont be so hard on poor jmb. they dont print the manuals in his language.....

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« Reply #75 on: November 26, 2011, 02:38 AM »

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

Jmb
So let me understand this.
You are saying that every other saw manufacturer has their blade guard designed so that you can hold it up with your thumb while you cut?
I would really like to see that on their manuals/instructions that comes with the tool.

Dont be silly they don't put it in the manuals as people will just sue! but they do it cus they know what people want

Is that a fact?  or your opinion?????????


If you look around you will see most manufactures either made the guard so you can use your thumb to lift the guard or they have a trigger lever once pressed the guard lifts up with out the need to plunge the saw to lift the guard

I don't know of any miter saw that has something like that

Trust me manufactures do it for that very reason they ain't stupid they know people love being able to flip the guard up slightly using the thumb.  It's safer because as they let go the guard returns back down!  Unlike the kapex the method I am forced to use keeps the guard up permanently making it unsafe.

Trust you?  Where do you get your info?     again is this a fact? or something that you just come up with because you have no knowledge about it?



Most site workers I speak to and see on jobs use the thumb method when using their saws and it's one of the things they mention to me when using my kapex and they have a valid point. 


  Manuals? What's a manual? Never read them they are for novices.
Maybe you should start reading them!!

Jmb


Haahaa
You don't know of any mitre saws with the trigger handle feature? So you clearly have no knowledge about it and you should not be commenting then. You should go learn about more other manufactures chop saws before you try and disagree.

Also try using the chop saws and speak to other trades men maybe 100 before you come back to me as that how many I have spoken to at least about this subject.

Well you clearly need to learn more as their are loads of mitre saws with the lever guard on the handle!  Check out the dewalts dude Dewalt with a trigger guard handle

Read manuals well you don't know about keeping your hands away from a blade is dangerous? So you need a manual to tell you to do that?    All standard tools.. table saws,chop saws can all be used with common-sense which your telling me you dont have....?


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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #76 on: November 26, 2011, 02:52 AM »
Jmb you should consider the different specs of the same machine for different markets they do not get the same features on on stuff sold in the states, to me it looks like striped out stuff and metal parts replaced with plastic so its a stack it high sell it cheap mentality.

my 718 had no trigger lever for the guard it was a usa spec machine

makes you wonder how they sell any festool thoough
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #77 on: November 26, 2011, 08:13 AM »
Jmb you should consider the different specs of the same machine for different markets they do not get the same features on on stuff sold in the states, to me it looks like striped out stuff and metal parts replaced with plastic so its a stack it high sell it cheap mentality.

my 718 had no trigger lever for the guard it was a usa spec machine

makes you wonder how they sell any festool thoough

Footstool is right, we don't have the same features on our tools that you guys do.  The Kapex is the only saw in the US that has the stupid safety trigger and I never seen a saw with the lever guard on the handle.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #78 on: November 29, 2011, 06:09 PM »
i would like a quick blade change system similar to a jigsaw. maybe like the multi master. pull a lever take out the blade and retaining bolt , stick enw blade on shove in bolt , away you go. some kind of mechanism (like the spindle lock and depth lock on ts55) to hold the spindle and hold up the guard out of the way while you change to blade.

this way you would swp blades in and out for different jobs. allowing you to keep you best blades sharper longer .



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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #79 on: November 29, 2011, 06:57 PM »
Lol, they deleted my post too JMB. Oh well, it used to irritate me when that happens, but I've learned that it is going to happen with some of my posts and I've chalked it up to "the price of doing business" on the F.O.G.  ;D
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« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2011, 01:59 PM »
Lol, they deleted my post too JMB. Oh well, it used to irritate me when that happens, but I've learned that it is going to happen with some of my posts and I've chalked it up to "the price of doing business" on the F.O.G.  ;D

Heehee happens to me all the time!


Shame I didn't get to read your reply before it got delete. Take it it wasn't the nicest of replies haahaa!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2011, 02:05 PM »
Lol, they deleted my post too JMB. Oh well, it used to irritate me when that happens, but I've learned that it is going to happen with some of my posts and I've chalked it up to "the price of doing business" on the F.O.G.  ;D

Heehee happens to me all the time!


Shame I didn't get to read your reply before it got delete. Take it it wasn't the nicest of replies haahaa!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #82 on: December 01, 2011, 04:39 PM »
Oh, I wasn't tearing at anyone, I was just talking about removing certain stuff from certain things that in my opinion didn't really need the stuff in the first place. It isn't allowed.
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« Reply #83 on: December 01, 2011, 04:53 PM »
Oh, I wasn't tearing at anyone, I was just talking about removing certain stuff from certain things that in my opinion didn't really need the stuff in the first place. It isn't allowed.

Oh!  Wa where they? PM

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #84 on: December 01, 2011, 05:49 PM »
Oh, I wasn't tearing at anyone, I was just talking about removing certain stuff from certain things that in my opinion didn't really need the stuff in the first place. It isn't allowed.

Oh!  Wa where they? PM

Yeah it's like FOG(parents) are making sure we fog members (kids) don't go and hurt our selfs with our non understanding of what is dangerous and what is safe!  [eek]

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #85 on: December 01, 2011, 05:52 PM »
now jmb go sit in the corner and think about what you did
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2011, 12:13 AM »
Change the front handle to green so idiots like me understand there's two things happening there!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2011, 06:39 PM »
how about a zero clearance plate that widens as you tilt the saw over so you never cut more off

or maybe snap in, rather than 6 screws for quick change outs between zero clearance and bevel.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #88 on: December 17, 2011, 03:40 PM »
Quick Blade change

A switch to turn the indent on/off so if you want to slightly move your angle it doesnt try to drop into place and a micro adjuster would be nice.

An improved depth stop

The guard needs to be able to be moved up either by a pull leaver OR have it so you can get your thumb to lift the guard up.


IF they did just that  it would make the Kapex alot better!



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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2011, 11:33 PM »
How about a trade in program. :)  I would like to get rid of my Bosch and move to a Kapex.
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