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Offline Alan m

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lets help design the new kapex
« on: June 23, 2011, 08:29 AM »
i decided to start this after reading the thread about if a new one was coming soom
sahne said that tools usually last 5-7 years before a new design comes out.
if these numbers are right they must be developing it now.

i have heard a lot of posts highlighting little issues that could be sorted on the new one.
any ideas of how to make the best saw even better.

i think the saw could be designed for a 50mm hose. this could increase the dc to almost perfect/.
a special switch on the unit that would control the dc seperatly so that you could leave it on for contiues use.
a blower up near the laser that blows the dust into the dc port whenthe saw head is down.
a turret style depth gauge.
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Offline waho6o9

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 08:37 AM »
Built in digital read out of angles. woo hoo

Offline GhostFist

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 12:00 PM »
On board espresso maker, imbedded bottle opener on the base for "job well done" celebrations.

Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2011, 04:27 PM »
Dial-in-mitersetting and zero clearance fence and table inserts would be nice.

Offline awdriven

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 04:57 PM »
Dewalt has an LED backlight for the blade that a lot of people say they like better than their laser setup for sighting the cut. They say that it also is basically self-aligning. It might be interesting to see what Festool could do with eliminating the need to ever align/adjust the lasers.

Offline justinmcf

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2011, 05:06 PM »
i'm with awdriven on this one.

lighting up the work area is critical.

remember festool, we dont all work in a well lit workshop.

a built in l.e.d. lighting system would be a great idea.

one more thing, the zero clearance throat plate which the saw blade drops down into is a joke.
everybody knows that this cheap and nasty piece of plastic swells up in high humidity.
most of the foggers have replaced this with their own timber throat plate.
this little detail certainly needs to be addressed before i spend AU$1800 on the next re-incarnation of the kapex.

justin.

Offline Deansocial

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2011, 05:10 PM »
how about a zero clearance plate that widens as you tilt the saw over so you never cut more off

Offline GhostFist

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2011, 05:47 PM »
Dewalt has an LED backlight for the blade that a lot of people say they like better than their laser setup for sighting the cut. They say that it also is basically self-aligning. It might be interesting to see what Festool could do with eliminating the need to ever align/adjust the lasers.

I tried this out on the last gig I was on and at first liked it but depending on the lighting the shadow can't be trusted. Some sort of light for the work itself is a good idea but it doesn't compare to the lasers.

how about a zero clearance plate that widens as you tilt the saw over so you never cut more off

Now this is a good idea!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 06:31 PM »
how about a zero clearance plate that widens as you tilt the saw over so you never cut more off

This would be very cool.  It would also keep all toughs little sliver of trim from falling down into the plate well.  Plus it would also prevent tear-out.

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Offline Alan m

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2011, 06:48 PM »
i have one of those dewalt saws with the shadoet line . i like it for indoor work as the light level in the room is usually poor . outside the sun takes the shadow away so you have to hide the saw from the sun  or get one of those chop saw hoods from fastcap (this is what i have now).

i would like a combination of the 2. the led also is great for lighting up the work surface to see the line.

i dont know about the exresso machine but im sure they could put an attachment on the saw blade or motor to whisk your capuchino [wink]
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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2011, 07:46 PM »
Great thread Alan. [thumbs up]

A couple of things off the top of my head.  First, the blade guard could be redesigned.  Second, make it with a 12" blade.  Third, more power.  Fourth, redesign the bevel lock to be upfront and do away with the setting knob (the knob for the 0-45, 45-45, 47 settings).

I like the ideas already mentioned of a zero clearance fence and throat, LED light and maybe a digital read out.
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Offline mastercabman

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2011, 08:01 PM »
I would like to see a smoother miter table.
Detentes for common crown molding if you need to cut it on the flat.
DC under the the plate to maximize  DC  when cutting crown.
Led light would be nice
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2011, 11:07 PM »
I like the DC from below idea.

The guard release mechanism could use some re-work.

The current size and power work for me.

I guess the only real bother to me is the guard.


Offline fdengel

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2011, 06:31 AM »
Swiveling head which locks in place so that narrow-width workpieces can be pushed along the fence like with a tablesaw, only with the blade (and guard) above the piece instead of sticking up from below.

Make it possible to move the fence back and forth to accomodate this usage of the swiveling head.


Optional ability to [safely] use as a wet saw, possibly requiring added accessories (water tray, pump, whatever).

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2011, 12:10 PM »
Swiveling head which locks in place so that narrow-width workpieces can be pushed along the fence like with a tablesaw, only with the blade (and guard) above the piece instead of sticking up from below.

Make it possible to move the fence back and forth to accomodate this usage of the swiveling head.


Optional ability to [safely] use as a wet saw, possibly requiring added accessories (water tray, pump, whatever).



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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 12:15 PM »
                                                      One thing to say about your sugestions,UL [unsure]

Good point!  [poke] [dead horse]

How 'bout we just forget the whole having a blade on the saw issue, and make the laser do the cutting.  Who cares if you no longer feel like a carpenter with that thing.  It's just freakin' cool!

Offline justinmcf

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 05:05 PM »
you are absolutely right ken!

festool needs to get with the times.
the circular saw blade is so last century.....

i want lasers and i want them now!


Offline Alan m

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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2011, 07:16 AM »
what out some type of vacum head on the table so that you dont need to clamp the piece. it would be conected to thevacum pump in the systainer. when the saw is turned on it would start sucking.
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2011, 01:18 PM »
Great thread Alan. [thumbs up]

A couple of things off the top of my head.  First, the blade guard could be redesigned.  Second, make it with a 12" blade.  Third, more power.  Fourth, redesign the bevel lock to be upfront and do away with the setting knob (the knob for the 0-45, 45-45, 47 settings).

I like the ideas already mentioned of a zero clearance fence and throat, LED light and maybe a digital read out.

I like the Setting knob.  As I dont need to look I know when it stops its either on 0  or if I bevel it I know when it stops I am on 45!   I hate the Dewalts where it drops past 45 and you have to hold it on 45 and lock it.      


My Main improvment I would like to see on the next kapex! Would be the Depth stop!   I am a power tool addict! I like using powers tools where ever possible! Notching wood using a chop saw is a very easy and quick way to house timber! BUT the Kapex Depth stop is the worst in its class!
What I would like to see on the Kapex is a better Depth stop the current height stop is way to low if I wanted to house thicker timbers of the top of my head I cant remember but lets say 3''x3'' only 20mm it wont let me it as the depth stop is to low so I end up housing out like half the 3''x3'' waist of time the depth stop is only good  4 housing door casings  cus they are thin enough for it.


Another thing I would like to see is a light aswell as a laser still I like the laser  but the light would just be to light up the material nothing more no shadow lines just to allow me to see better but not so bright to make it to hard to see the laser of course.  

Also the handle I would like a longer trigger after a few cuts I get fed up of gripping the kapex I would like to be able to drop my hand down to the bottom of the handle but still be able to pull the trigger so I can then use my hand to pull the head of the kapex down instead of gripping it tight to pull it down.    I understand you can not decrease the size of the opening due to people having larger hands and wearing gloves but increasing the length of the trigger so being able to hold it lower down would solve this.


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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2011, 04:49 PM »

I like the Setting knob.  As I dont need to look I know when it stops its either on 0  or if I bevel it I know when it stops I am on 45!   I hate the Dewalts where it drops past 45 and you have to hold it on 45 and lock it.......


JMB

I like the older Makita's positive ball detent for 0 and stops that can be set at 45 or greater.


........Also the handle I would like a longer trigger after a few cuts I get fed up of gripping the kapex I would like to be able to drop my hand down to the bottom of the handle but still be able to pull the trigger so I can then use my hand to pull the head of the kapex down instead of gripping it tight to pull it down.    I understand you can not decrease the size of the opening due to people having larger hands and wearing gloves but increasing the length of the trigger so being able to hold it lower down would solve this.


JMB


To me it's not so much the handle or trigger but those stupid safety devices built-in that I don't like.  Although a longer trigger wouldn't hurt.
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Offline ApgarConstruction

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2011, 01:54 PM »
what out some type of vacum head on the table so that you dont need to clamp the piece. it would be conected to thevacum pump in the systainer. when the saw is turned on it would start sucking.

I hope you are joking............

Offline Alan m

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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2011, 04:56 PM »
o god no , im 100 % serious. have the table designed with those little valves with the ball bearing on the top  that when the piece is put on top it start sucking. The vacum pump for the vac system would power it. this would make holding flat pieces easier than clamping them each time with the clamp.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2011, 05:16 PM »
o god no , im 100 % serious. have the table designed with those little valves with the ball bearing on the top  that when the piece is put on top it start sucking. The vacum pump for the vac system would power it. this would make holding flat pieces easier than clamping them each time with the clamp.

Alan, I know you guys pay more for your tools there than we do, our Kapex is $1300 USD.  With your vac clamp improvement that price goes to $2300 or more, are you still interested?
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Offline Alan m

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2011, 06:49 PM »
i dont think that the vac sys would come witht the kapex . the kapex could be plumbed up for it. it might push a 1300 machine to 1375 maybe . you can (or could ) from trend buy a set of these valves , rubbers , fittings ,seals etc for around 75-100. you build the mdf matrix your self but it was 3foot by 4 foot . it wouldnd cost a whole lot to cast in a matrix and places for the valves into the top of the saw.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2011, 06:56 PM »
i dont think that the vac sys would come witht the kapex . the kapex could be plumbed up for it. it might push a 1300 machine to 1375 maybe . you can (or could ) from trend buy a set of these valves , rubbers , fittings ,seals etc for around 75-100. you build the mdf matrix your self but it was 3foot by 4 foot . it wouldnd cost a whole lot to cast in a matrix and places for the valves into the top of the saw.
A little overkill for a "HOLD DOWN CLAMP" on a miter saw!  Don't you think?  [wink]
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2011, 07:03 PM »
probably a bit overkill but this is the royles roice of miter saws. i think it would be handy thow. if you were doing a lot of very accurate cuts where every cut would be clamped it would be a god sent . the saw vacum would be ready to go straight away just drop down the piece . there would have to be a pressure release switch that you could hit to release the board to adjust the cut. i think this would be much faster than the clamp
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2011, 07:07 PM »
probably a bit overkill but this is the royles roice of miter saws. i think it would be handy thow. if you were doing a lot of very accurate cuts where every cut would be clamped it would be a god sent . the saw vacum would be ready to go straight away just drop down the piece . there would have to be a pressure release switch that you could hit to release the board to adjust the cut. i think this would be much faster than the clamp

I like it lets make it dude!!!!!!!


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Offline Alan m

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2011, 07:11 PM »
jmb your loaded , you have too much work to do , lend festool a few bob and get them to make it [poke] [poke]
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2011, 08:03 PM »
Hi,


I like the idea of having it triggered by the saw just like the CT.  Position the work hit the trigger and the piece is locked down. Hands free fast clamping integrated into an action you are already taking. I have had a couple times that would have been really nice to have.

Plus it would hold the piece right up close to the blade not 10" back.

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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2011, 08:07 PM »
You think U.L. approval isn't bad enough, let's see them going for this.  I would say this is something for a FOG member to come up with that others on here could reasonably implement.

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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2011, 08:31 PM »
You think U.L. approval isn't bad enough, let's see them going for this.  I would say this is something for a FOG member to come up with that others on here could reasonably implement.

So when will the prototype be ready, Ken? 

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2011, 09:11 PM »
Most horizontal mortisers have a pneumatic hold down, not new technology...

Even if the vacuum idea doesn't fly, there ought to be a way to clamp a small piece without getting your fingers anywhere near the blade.  That would sell a lot of saws.

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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2011, 09:26 PM »
You think U.L. approval isn't bad enough, let's see them going for this.  I would say this is something for a FOG member to come up with that others on here could reasonably implement.

So when will the prototype be ready, Ken? 

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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2011, 12:11 PM »
I'd like to see a micro-adjust when the piece is clamped down, so I have the ability to move a lever or a screw thread or something to keep the piece clamped, yet be able to sneak up on my pencil line.  Additionally, it would be great to have some better side extensions, or a better stand, than they have now.

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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2011, 12:25 PM »
this is what i like about forums . some one makes a sugestion and some one else improves it. great idea on the fine adjuster
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2011, 03:46 PM »
this is what i like about forums . some one makes a sugestion and some one else improves it. great idea on the fine adjuster


I would like the suction pads to be on the base but also on the Rear fence on both sides.    When you pull the trigger half way the vacuum kicks in  but their is a second delay between the fence suction pads and the base!   

This is because the fence pads would Pull the timber against the fence before the base suction pads kick in holding it in place.


Also the Micro adjustment Idea is great love it!  The suction pads can move 5mm +/-  with a turn knob on the front but they still hold the timber down while your adjusting!



Oh I wish I was loaded Alan! If I was loaded!  I would create my own tool range with ideas mentioned! Unique! Wont mater if I didnt sell alot as I have money to waist lol!  Sadly Im not so I will have to stick with buying Festool tools!  [tongue]


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« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2011, 10:12 AM »
I would like for the dust port to point straight up which would beat any position that it will adjust to as it is now.  Also some kind of center handle (like makita) to lift the saw with one hand.  I use the rod that has the bevel control as it beats nothing but the saw is not balanced for this method.    A  longer trigger would be way awesome  as would a longer cord.    Let there be light! Please! 

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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2011, 11:05 AM »
I would like for the dust port to point straight up which would beat any position that it will adjust to as it is now.  Also some kind of center handle (like makita) to lift the saw with one hand.  I use the rod that has the bevel control as it beats nothing but the saw is not balanced for this method.    A  longer trigger would be way awesome  as would a longer cord.    Let there be light! Please! 

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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2011, 11:22 AM »
This was thought out by Festool's designers.  Lifting the saw with one hand leads to poor posture.  Look at what happened to this poor carpenter after just a handful of times lifting the saw with one hand.


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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2011, 11:43 AM »
I like getting DC into bottom tack... it is hard to clean out as it is.
I would like a light but not over power the great lasers.
I would like something like the the fastcap sawhood and build in mounts for it to get the last 3% of the dust. Also would help to see the lasers in daylight.

What is important to me is that it stays light and easy to transport.
Adding weight to it would not be good.

I would not want a longer trigger. I have Dewalt saw with a long trigger and you can't get it to shut off most of the time as you have to have two or three fingers on the trigger to get balance and then you can't hold it or move it with just your little finger.

Maybe a case Not a systainer....is the Festool God going to smite me?.... that fits close so you could protect it in transport and not take up the whole vehicle. it would be nice to carry if one handed but I don't agree with lifting the unit by the the motor handle or shafts that do all the precise adjustments. It works well today to lift by the base...just has to be a two handed thing.

If it didn't change any I would still love that saw!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2011, 12:29 PM »
3 things for me

1 bevel lock on the front, you cant lean over and just flip the lever you have to pull the saw forward on the rails and makesure the hose is out of the way

2 the vac kicks in on lowering the head so its upto full suction before you start the saw

3 the trenching mode to be better as i fw times when ive cut a trench the cut got a little deeper if i apply too much weight
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2011, 11:32 PM »
I don't have a kapex- yet :D but it's high on my list. From what little I know having used it briefly at the dealers, I would really like that digital readout. I have that on my Milwaukee saw now (12") its really nice, 1/10th deg readout. Problem is that this saw is a huge boat anchor! oh, it's got lights built into the head, so that's good.

Smoother "swing" on the table, anyone tried the new Makita? super smooth! Up front bevel controls? not sure about that, I rarely need the bevel feature, so that's not an issue for me.

Lasers! can't see them. red/green color blind issues, ya I'm defective so sue me! LOL I'm so used to not using them I don't know if one would be an advantage.

That shadow light that someone mentioned on the Dewalt? I've used a Dewalt with one on. It is a good sharp line, but it moves as you bring the saw head down close to the wood - sometimes that's a pain to do, three hands needed.

Re-design of the crown stops, if you use the festool stand, the stops can't go on.

Oh, and if business continues to be good, I'll need this new designed saw by mid October :D please?

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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2011, 06:20 AM »
Has anyone mentioned a pneumatic version of the Kapex?

 Maybe include and beer opener attachment er ah I mean a bottle opener
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2011, 03:40 PM »
I didn't mention it before but the reason for a straight up dust chute is so the hose would not interfere with the bevel clamp control.   A straight dust chute would be a simple part to make (for Festool) and easy to change out from the stock one.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2011, 12:08 PM »
1st, I'd like a double systainer for the saw. this will have some decent size casters on it, and will allow a double stack of regular systainers to latch onto it.  -I'm sure more than a few of you can appreciate where I am coming from with this,  but in any case, being able to roll ALL your tools in on the first trip would be a Godsend!  (I think it would be,   -I can only imagine)

Next, the clamping issue...

there are clamps which you set to the workpiece thickness,  then as you pull the saw head down, it clamps the workpiece
if enough tension isn't created, the trigger locks out...      You need only 1 small clamping fence on each side of the blade, and the entire mechanism is purely mechanical,  however it could be easily removed and the trigger reverted to normal operation with minimum effort.
-but with this system installed,  as you pull the head DOWN,  it CLAMPS   -simple as that...
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2011, 01:31 PM »
1st, I'd like a double systainer for the saw. this will have some decent size casters on it, and will allow a double stack of regular systainers to latch onto it.  -I'm sure more than a few of you can appreciate where I am coming from with this,  but in any case, being able to roll ALL your tools in on the first trip would be a Godsend!  (I think it would be,   -I can only imagine)

Next, the clamping issue...

there are clamps which you set to the workpiece thickness,  then as you pull the saw head down, it clamps the workpiece
if enough tension isn't created, the trigger locks out...      You need only 1 small clamping fence on each side of the blade, and the entire mechanism is purely mechanical,  however it could be easily removed and the trigger reverted to normal operation with minimum effort.
-but with this system installed,  as you pull the head DOWN,  it CLAMPS   -simple as that...



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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2011, 08:18 AM »
I don't think so...  I have a Triton Metal Cutting saw which has a clamping system like this and there is very little to it...  this is a very simple mechanical system that takes advantage of the force used to pull the head down.  if I removed the system from this Triton saw,  enlarged it another 60-75% it MIGHT weigh 1.5 -2lbs...   


the retractable throat plates idea from earlier in this thread could use a mechanical system that is fundamentally identical . 
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2011, 08:54 AM »
I think the UG cart is their solution to transporting the Kapex. It's better for moving from truck to site because you can more easily pull it up curbs, door thresholds, etc than you could with something like a double-width 'syscart'. The saw is also usable quickly after you arrive on site because you don't have to take it out of a case - AND it is already mounted to it's table-height stand, so you don't have to also carry and set up horses.

The disadvantage is that you can't really carry any systainers with/on the UG and you can't tie together a couple systainers in your truck for a more secure carry. The UG also doesn't provide as much protection for the saw as something like a systainer would.

I need to start saving pennies, either for someone's used Kapex or a Kapex Zwei when it comes out.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2011, 09:00 AM »
I think the UG cart is their solution to transporting the Kapex. It's better for moving from truck to site because you can more easily pull it up curbs, door thresholds, etc than you could with something like a double-width 'syscart'. The saw is also usable quickly after you arrive on site because you don't have to take it out of a case - AND it is already mounted to it's table-height stand, so you don't have to also carry and set up horses.

The disadvantage is that you can't really carry any systainers with/on the UG and you can't tie together a couple systainers in your truck for a more secure carry. The UG also doesn't provide as much protection for the saw as something like a systainer would.

I need to start saving pennies, either for someone's used Kapex or a Kapex Zwei when it comes out.

not sure what your talking about. hopefully its a new tool that we have yet to see.


maybe you should make a  syport trailer for the ug stand
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2011, 09:37 AM »
Alan

Zwei is German for 2, so he means the Kapex 2 or Mk2 or second edition.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2011, 10:04 AM »
Exactly, thanks ;)  Don't run out to check and see if that domain name has been reserved or anything, it was just my made up name for the next miter saw.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2011, 11:51 AM »
sorry . stupid mistake. ne spragan ze doitch. (sorry my spelling is worse than my pronounciation)
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2011, 08:50 AM »
Get creative guys ... how about an off centre blade drive, something that'll let a 10 inch blade cut about 6 1/2 inches or more. This could incorporate a quick change blade mechanism. Take the technology then to the plunge saws - more compact with greater cutting depth. Sure there'll need to be a drive tooth pattern on one face of the blade and there'll need to be some serious alignment capstans, etc.

Another option would be massive refinement of the chainsaw principle, for a fine accurate cut. CHAINEX ? KAPPACHAINO ?


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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2011, 10:13 AM »
Remove the spinning blade and up the power of the lasers, waaaaaay up  [thumbs up]

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2011, 11:41 AM »
A 12", er uh, 304 mm blade capacity.....

Should be called the "Kapex 305"

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2011, 04:35 PM »
I'll put in another vote for a built in work light. I've installed one from a Makita onto my Kapex, and it was heavenly......until the transformer died a year later.

I also really like the idea of switching to continuous run on the vacuum from the saw for repeat cutting.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2011, 05:42 AM »
Why does everyone have a thing about continuous run on the vac via the KAPEX?? I'd like the vac to have a variable overrun timer ... that way the feature would be available for all of the Festool tools.

And the lights ... Festool got it right by creating a highly effective battery powered light. For the rest, the work site should be well lit.

Really ... does anyone expect a floodlight on the end of their hammer?


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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2011, 12:51 PM »
A couple of things Kev,

No matter what anyone says, the Kapex is the weakest link in Festool's dust collecting tools. If the vacuum would run constantly during a cutting session, it would reduce the amount of fine particles that you breath in. Of course I could walk around the saw stand, bend over, and turn my van on manually, just to shut it off three minutes later... but I don't want to.

We cannot get the work light in North America yet. Even if I could, I don't want to rig up some stand to hold it over my saw. People such as cabinet installers aren't usually on a job site for more than a day or two, and much of the time the light fixtures aren't even installed yet. This means that if I have pack, plug in, and place one less light in a kitchen during an install, I would pay extra to have one built into my saw.

When I make a cut for...let's say crown molding...I want it to be precise. If it's overcast outside while working in a kitchen with little light other than a picture window that has plastic stretched over it for the painters I have a hard time cutting to within a 32nd. Maybe my eyes aren't so great, but I would still pay for a built in light on the Kapex. After trying one, I'll tell you that in my opinion, any other option is silly.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2011, 01:23 PM »
the xps light on my dewalt 718 is one of the best deatures
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2011, 02:48 PM »
A couple of things Kev,

No matter what anyone says, the Kapex is the weakest link in Festool's dust collecting tools. If the vacuum would run constantly during a cutting session, it would reduce the amount of fine particles that you breath in. Of course I could walk around the saw stand, bend over, and turn my van on manually, just to stuff it off three minutes later... but I don't want to.

We cannot get the work light in North America yet. Even if I could, I don't want to rig up some stand to hold it over my saw. People such as cabinet installers aren't usually on a job site for more than a day or two, and much of the time the light fixtures aren't even installed yet. This means that if I have pack, plug in, and place one less light in a kitchen during an install, I would pay extra to have one built into my saw.

When I make a cut for...let's say crown molding...I want it to be precise. If it's overcast outside while working in a kitchen with little light other than a picture window that has plastic stretched over it for the painters I have a hard time cutting to within a 32nd. Maybe my eyes aren't so great, but I would still pay for a built in light on the Kapex. After trying one, I'll tell you that in my opinion, any other option is silly.

I'm not suggesting people dance arounmd the KAPEX, constantly turning the vacuum on and off - an adjustable overrun timer on the vacuums that have a power out would give flexibility for any power tool - not just a KAPEX.

I would still maintain lighting is a wider issue - also i'd hate to see the results where painters were working in relative darkness! Good all round lighting also increases safety.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2011, 03:17 PM »
what about a rim saw type affair?

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2011, 05:07 PM »
what about a rim saw type affair?
What is a rim saw???

I like the idea of the fixtures for more dust collection, also the 5mm left and right adjustment when everythings clamped down.

Maybe some mechanism that moves the material along the width of the blade when making cross cuts.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2011, 08:28 AM »
sorry i meant ring saw

like this but for wood

http://www.priorityplant.com/Husqvarna-partner-K970RS-petrol-ring-saw/29.htm

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2011, 03:19 PM »
i am deligted i didnt spend the money on a kapex (it was very close) and kept my dw718. laser system that works, dtent over ride that works, blade guand that can easily my pushed up out of the way (with my thumb) easily, 300 mm blade.

if only i could make it lighter and with better dc
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2011, 03:26 PM »
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2011, 03:27 PM »
i am deligted i didnt spend the money on a kapex (it was very close) and kept my dw718. laser system that works, dtent over ride that works, blade guand that can easily my pushed up out of the way (with my thumb) easily, 300 mm blade.

if only i could make it lighter and with better dc

Wait, you can't push the Kapex's blade guard up?  I love being able to do it on my dewalt.  Actually, I do it every time I make a cut!
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2011, 03:28 PM »
i am deligted i didnt spend the money on a kapex (it was very close) and kept my dw718. laser system that works, dtent over ride that works, blade guand that can easily my pushed up out of the way (with my thumb) easily, 300 mm blade.

if only i could make it lighter and with better dc

I have the same saw but I changed the laser for the shadow light,the saw is a bit rubish but I would rather that than spend the extra and still have something that has so many issues.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2011, 03:53 PM »
I am not a fan of the dual triggers either.
I would prefer one large trigger similar to the Makita models.
The ergonomics of the Makita trigger are the most comfortable of all the drop saws I have used over the years.

The L.E.D. light is a great idea.
In a perfect world, every work site would be perfectly lit for safety reasons of course.
But lets be realistic, 99 percent of the time there is no power to the house I am building.
So there definitely is no internal lighting.
Apart from the portable lights I set up myself.
Power comes from a temporary switchboard, usually located 20 to 30 metres away with a limited number of power outlets. (4 to 8 maximum).

The L.E.D. light could be designed as an accessory that could be clipped on and off. This design could be used for multiple Festools. I would like to be able to safely clip a light on to my CMS also.
That way, the blokes that work in nice, shiny, clean, safe workshops do not have to purchase the light.

The depth adjustment is a bloody joke.
It failed miserably for me last week when using the saw to cut some halving joints.
I could not believe this $1800 saw could not cut a trench 45mm deep. 20 trenches to cut is a lot of work without the right tool.
I ended up using my trusty old Makita LS1013.
No thought has been put into this design what so ever.
I would love to meet the person who signed off on this particular feature.
The failure of the depth adjustment reeks of rushing a product to market.

I think the Kapex is an ok tool.
But knowing what I know now, I would never spend $1800 on a drop saw that has as many flaws as the Kapex.
It is the most expensive saw on the market, and its features should reflect the extremely high cost.
For me personally, of all the Festools I have purchased over the last 11 years, the kapex is certainly not worth the extreme price.

But knowing Festool, I am confident that the next generation will be an awesome tool which will be worthy of the lofty price tag.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2011, 04:16 PM »
i am deligted i didnt spend the money on a kapex (it was very close) and kept my dw718. laser system that works, dtent over ride that works, blade guand that can easily my pushed up out of the way (with my thumb) easily, 300 mm blade.

if only i could make it lighter and with better dc

Wait, you can't push the Kapex's blade guard up?  I love being able to do it on my dewalt.  Actually, I do it every time I make a cut!
Jon

No which is one of the main down falls about the  kapex not being able to use your thumb to lift the guard up like most saws on the Market or have some sort of leaver on the handle so as you pull it lifting the guard up.

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2011, 04:49 PM »

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

Jmb
So let me understand this.
You are saying that every other saw manufacturer has their blade guard designed so that you can hold it up with your thumb while you cut?
I would really like to see that on their manuals/instructions that comes with the tool.
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2011, 05:43 PM »

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

Jmb
So let me understand this.
You are saying that every other saw manufacturer has their blade guard designed so that you can hold it up with your thumb while you cut?
I would really like to see that on their manuals/instructions that comes with the tool.

Dont be silly they don't put it in the manuals as people will just sue! but they do it cus they know what people want and it's actually safer then the kapex as it avoids people doing what needs to be done with the kapex to over come to problem I can't mentioned it as this post will be removed.

If you look around you will see most manufactures either made the guard so you can use your thumb to lift the guard or they have a trigger lever once pressed the guard lifts up with out the need to plunge the saw to lift the guard and this again is to get the guard out of the way so you can cut without the guard getting in the way!   Or do you just think they do it for fun? they just wanna be different? Oh wait it's not them who are different it's the kapex who's the odd one out.

Trust me manufactures do it for that very reason they ain't stupid they know people love being able to flip the guard up slightly using the thumb.  It's safer because as they let go the guard returns back down!  Unlike the kapex the method I am forced to use keeps the guard up permanently making it unsafe.




Most site workers I speak to and see on jobs use the thumb method when using their saws and it's one of the things they mention to me when using my kapex and they have a valid point. 


  Manuals? What's a manual? Never read them they are for novices.


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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2011, 06:30 PM »

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

Jmb
So let me understand this.
You are saying that every other saw manufacturer has their blade guard designed so that you can hold it up with your thumb while you cut?
I would really like to see that on their manuals/instructions that comes with the tool.

Dont be silly they don't put it in the manuals as people will just sue! but they do it cus they know what people want

Is that a fact?  or your opinion?????????


If you look around you will see most manufactures either made the guard so you can use your thumb to lift the guard or they have a trigger lever once pressed the guard lifts up with out the need to plunge the saw to lift the guard

I don't know of any miter saw that has something like that

Trust me manufactures do it for that very reason they ain't stupid they know people love being able to flip the guard up slightly using the thumb.  It's safer because as they let go the guard returns back down!  Unlike the kapex the method I am forced to use keeps the guard up permanently making it unsafe.

Trust you?  Where do you get your info?     again is this a fact? or something that you just come up with because you have no knowledge about it?



Most site workers I speak to and see on jobs use the thumb method when using their saws and it's one of the things they mention to me when using my kapex and they have a valid point. 


  Manuals? What's a manual? Never read them they are for novices.
Maybe you should start reading them!!

Jmb

I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2011, 06:48 PM »
dont be so hard on poor jmb. they dont print the manuals in his language.
i do that with my thumb also , its much safer than not doing it as the guard will get in the way or make something hit the spinning blade.
i would never remove the guard thow (i did on my table saw but only to put on a full blown overhead guard so that i could safely make all my cuts
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2011, 07:43 PM »
dont be so hard on poor jmb. they dont print the manuals in his language.....

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #75 on: November 26, 2011, 02:38 AM »

   I did post this above but the entire post got deleted as I  posted what I do to over come to problem on my kapex.   Even though it might be against forum rules it's festools fault why this bad practice/unsafe use of a tool has to be done to actually use the kapex properly.

Jmb
So let me understand this.
You are saying that every other saw manufacturer has their blade guard designed so that you can hold it up with your thumb while you cut?
I would really like to see that on their manuals/instructions that comes with the tool.

Dont be silly they don't put it in the manuals as people will just sue! but they do it cus they know what people want

Is that a fact?  or your opinion?????????


If you look around you will see most manufactures either made the guard so you can use your thumb to lift the guard or they have a trigger lever once pressed the guard lifts up with out the need to plunge the saw to lift the guard

I don't know of any miter saw that has something like that

Trust me manufactures do it for that very reason they ain't stupid they know people love being able to flip the guard up slightly using the thumb.  It's safer because as they let go the guard returns back down!  Unlike the kapex the method I am forced to use keeps the guard up permanently making it unsafe.

Trust you?  Where do you get your info?     again is this a fact? or something that you just come up with because you have no knowledge about it?



Most site workers I speak to and see on jobs use the thumb method when using their saws and it's one of the things they mention to me when using my kapex and they have a valid point. 


  Manuals? What's a manual? Never read them they are for novices.
Maybe you should start reading them!!

Jmb


Haahaa
You don't know of any mitre saws with the trigger handle feature? So you clearly have no knowledge about it and you should not be commenting then. You should go learn about more other manufactures chop saws before you try and disagree.

Also try using the chop saws and speak to other trades men maybe 100 before you come back to me as that how many I have spoken to at least about this subject.

Well you clearly need to learn more as their are loads of mitre saws with the lever guard on the handle!  Check out the dewalts dude Dewalt with a trigger guard handle

Read manuals well you don't know about keeping your hands away from a blade is dangerous? So you need a manual to tell you to do that?    All standard tools.. table saws,chop saws can all be used with common-sense which your telling me you dont have....?


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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #76 on: November 26, 2011, 02:52 AM »
Jmb you should consider the different specs of the same machine for different markets they do not get the same features on on stuff sold in the states, to me it looks like striped out stuff and metal parts replaced with plastic so its a stack it high sell it cheap mentality.

my 718 had no trigger lever for the guard it was a usa spec machine

makes you wonder how they sell any festool thoough
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #77 on: November 26, 2011, 08:13 AM »
Jmb you should consider the different specs of the same machine for different markets they do not get the same features on on stuff sold in the states, to me it looks like striped out stuff and metal parts replaced with plastic so its a stack it high sell it cheap mentality.

my 718 had no trigger lever for the guard it was a usa spec machine

makes you wonder how they sell any festool thoough

Footstool is right, we don't have the same features on our tools that you guys do.  The Kapex is the only saw in the US that has the stupid safety trigger and I never seen a saw with the lever guard on the handle.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #78 on: November 29, 2011, 06:09 PM »
i would like a quick blade change system similar to a jigsaw. maybe like the multi master. pull a lever take out the blade and retaining bolt , stick enw blade on shove in bolt , away you go. some kind of mechanism (like the spindle lock and depth lock on ts55) to hold the spindle and hold up the guard out of the way while you change to blade.

this way you would swp blades in and out for different jobs. allowing you to keep you best blades sharper longer .



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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #79 on: November 29, 2011, 06:57 PM »
Lol, they deleted my post too JMB. Oh well, it used to irritate me when that happens, but I've learned that it is going to happen with some of my posts and I've chalked it up to "the price of doing business" on the F.O.G.  ;D
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2011, 01:59 PM »
Lol, they deleted my post too JMB. Oh well, it used to irritate me when that happens, but I've learned that it is going to happen with some of my posts and I've chalked it up to "the price of doing business" on the F.O.G.  ;D

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Shame I didn't get to read your reply before it got delete. Take it it wasn't the nicest of replies haahaa!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2011, 02:05 PM »
Lol, they deleted my post too JMB. Oh well, it used to irritate me when that happens, but I've learned that it is going to happen with some of my posts and I've chalked it up to "the price of doing business" on the F.O.G.  ;D

Heehee happens to me all the time!


Shame I didn't get to read your reply before it got delete. Take it it wasn't the nicest of replies haahaa!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #82 on: December 01, 2011, 04:39 PM »
Oh, I wasn't tearing at anyone, I was just talking about removing certain stuff from certain things that in my opinion didn't really need the stuff in the first place. It isn't allowed.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #83 on: December 01, 2011, 04:53 PM »
Oh, I wasn't tearing at anyone, I was just talking about removing certain stuff from certain things that in my opinion didn't really need the stuff in the first place. It isn't allowed.

Oh!  Wa where they? PM

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #84 on: December 01, 2011, 05:49 PM »
Oh, I wasn't tearing at anyone, I was just talking about removing certain stuff from certain things that in my opinion didn't really need the stuff in the first place. It isn't allowed.

Oh!  Wa where they? PM

Yeah it's like FOG(parents) are making sure we fog members (kids) don't go and hurt our selfs with our non understanding of what is dangerous and what is safe!  [eek]

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #85 on: December 01, 2011, 05:52 PM »
now jmb go sit in the corner and think about what you did
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2011, 12:13 AM »
Change the front handle to green so idiots like me understand there's two things happening there!

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2011, 06:39 PM »
how about a zero clearance plate that widens as you tilt the saw over so you never cut more off

or maybe snap in, rather than 6 screws for quick change outs between zero clearance and bevel.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #88 on: December 17, 2011, 03:40 PM »
Quick Blade change

A switch to turn the indent on/off so if you want to slightly move your angle it doesnt try to drop into place and a micro adjuster would be nice.

An improved depth stop

The guard needs to be able to be moved up either by a pull leaver OR have it so you can get your thumb to lift the guard up.


IF they did just that  it would make the Kapex alot better!



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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2011, 11:33 PM »
How about a trade in program. :)  I would like to get rid of my Bosch and move to a Kapex.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2011, 09:26 AM »
How about a trade in program. :)  I would like to get rid of my Bosch and move to a Kapex.

You mean sorta like the cash for clunkers. [tongue]
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2011, 09:33 AM »
How about a trade in program. :)  I would like to get rid of my Bosch and move to a Kapex.

You mean sorta like the cash for clunkers. [tongue]

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #92 on: December 18, 2011, 05:30 PM »
How about a trade in program. :)  I would like to get rid of my Bosch and move to a Kapex.

You mean sorta like the cash for clunkers. [tongue]

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #93 on: December 22, 2011, 02:02 PM »
how about some dog holes in the top of the base part so that you could use the clamping elements to hold the stock
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #94 on: December 22, 2011, 08:49 PM »
how about some dog holes in the top of the base part so that you could use the clamping elements to hold the stock

+1 on that. I now use the crown wings all the time and use the blocks to hold the stuff against the fence.

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #95 on: December 22, 2011, 08:53 PM »
How about adding measurement marks on the fixed fence..... and yea they should be both imp and metric...... [2cents]

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #96 on: March 03, 2017, 11:18 PM »
1. Some sort of area LED light... XPS type or whatever.  Keep the lasers however, they are quite valuable.  Also keep the on/off laser switch.

2.  Some type of one handed top handle.  It's not easy to try to carry the saw through a door when you have to open it and close it and you have to have Both Hands on the Saw!!

3.  A slightly longer trigger would be helpful.  Many times during a cut my hand just slides off the trigger enough to have to have the saw stop momentarily.

4.  An option for an extended dust shroud similar to bristles or curtains that could easily be snapped on and off if doing steep compound bevel cuts that could interfere with it.

....
Power if fine with me...a few more RPS couldn't hurt though?
Keep the rail forward design.
Keep the weight down.
Maybe and option for hanging the fences off of the saw when they are removed?
Make the fences actually lock in square and not wiggle...at all.

Just bought my Second Kapex.  [eek] First one is in for service.   [unsure] Its much much smoother more refined and compact than my 10" dewalt slider with xps. 
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hmm,  lucky numbers today?  27 36 50.....mm of course ;)

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Re: lets help design the new kapex
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #98 on: March 04, 2017, 05:58 AM »
A Cuprex motor on it is all is really needs.
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #99 on: March 04, 2017, 08:35 PM »



...yeah [wink]  maybe I'm a little late to the design party...haa
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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #100 on: March 05, 2017, 02:13 AM »
Personally resurrecting old threads never bothers me. It's also quite timely with the new Kapex 60 having just been launched.


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Re: lets help design the new kapex
« Reply #101 on: March 12, 2017, 01:42 PM »
So... ...how did the forecasting pan out from 2011? Is the Kapex KS60 "it"? [smile]
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