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In the current issue (August 2012) of Fine Woodworking, Michael Fortune shows how to turn the biscuit joiner into a precise joinery tool by fastening the joiner to the table (his joiner has screw holes on the sides) and jigging a holder for the workpiece.
I have no desire to go back to a biscuit joiner, but I'm wondering if the same principle would work with the domino, especially for odd shaped (curves, compound angles, etc) workpieces.
Maybe Festool could add a couple of flanges with screw holes to the next domino release.
Or maybe Ron could put some on the Domiplate?
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2012, 05:55 PM » |
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I've thought about this before. What about having it in the same sort of configuration as the Kreg Pocket Hole Machine?
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2012, 09:34 PM » |
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The Domino already has threaded holes in the base that could be leveraged.
What'd be cool would be calibrated and motorized plunge control - that way you'd be putting material onto the fence and pressing a button ... with full dust control.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2012, 09:55 PM » |
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Somewhere on this website is a thread in which a forum participant made a mount for his domino. I printed it and have it in a paper file, but it's not handy right now. I forget the guy's name...he was from Canada...really nice, bright guy, but hasn't posted in ages. Then there's this: http://www.woodhaven.com/s?searchKeywords=biscuit+master&Action=submitRegards, John |
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 11:16 AM » |
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Just buy a dedicated hollow chisel mortiser.
Seems silly to make a portable power tool stationary.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 12:10 PM » |
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Just buy a dedicated hollow chisel mortiser.
Seems silly to make a portable power tool stationary.
You lack vision. The beauty of portable tool being made stationary is if the design allows the tool to easily removed. That hollow chisel mortiser will never be portable. |
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 12:16 PM » |
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I agree! The CMS Module is one the of best examples for that! For small work pieces it would certainly make sense to work the other way around. I would be interested in a solution for that, if it's small easy and fast to set up and maybe connectable to the MFT! Sounds like just the project for RonWen and SENECAWOODWORKING!........Domitach, Domifix, Domiclamp..........!  For the right price sign me up blind! |
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 12:18 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 12:39 PM » |
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Just buy a dedicated hollow chisel mortiser.
Seems silly to make a portable power tool stationary.
You lack vision. The beauty of portable tool being made stationary is if the design allows the tool to easily removed. That hollow chisel mortiser will never be portable. No, the beauty of a portable tool is that it is portable. |
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2012, 12:53 PM » |
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 12:55 PM » |
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Just buy a dedicated hollow chisel mortiser.
Seems silly to make a portable power tool stationary.
You lack vision. The beauty of portable tool being made stationary is if the design allows the tool to easily removed. That hollow chisel mortiser will never be portable. No, the beauty of a portable tool is that it is portable. Right, make stationary today and tomorrow remove it from the fixture and it's portable again. |
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2012, 12:57 PM » |
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Just buy a dedicated hollow chisel mortiser.
Seems silly to make a portable power tool stationary.
You lack vision. The beauty of portable tool being made stationary is if the design allows the tool to easily removed. That hollow chisel mortiser will never be portable. No, the beauty of a portable tool is that it is portable. Right, make stationary today and tomorrow remove it from the fixture and it's portable again. Why have to fuss with it at all? Keep the Domino portable and add a dedicated mortiser. |
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2012, 01:40 PM » |
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im with you on this. if you have a dedicated workshop then have dedicated machines. I see on here people getting rid of machines because they have descovered festool. i just dont see it myself. festool to me is a portable workshop but it doesn't replace real machines
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2012, 01:46 PM » |
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At first I had a quiet laugh  at the prospect suggested but  ... For production work, like that indicated by Talloak, it does make sense. I take the point about the crossover concept demonstrated by the CMS. However, one has to be careful not to over design/over engineer projects or get too focused on the tool rather than the job itself. The idea has merits but do not let it run away with you! Peter |
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2012, 02:13 PM » |
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i really like the idea of a semi stationery domino.
especially for loads of pieces that are small or aqward. i would get a spare fence and bolt that to the table so that it would be a lot easier to swap between staionery and portable.
my design would be similar to talloaks design. i would put a few toggle clamps on the fence and on the triangular piece
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2012, 02:17 PM » |
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im with you on this. if you have a dedicated workshop then have dedicated machines. I see on here people getting rid of machines because they have descovered festool. i just dont see it myself. festool to me is a portable workshop but it does replace real machines
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2012, 04:47 PM » |
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For an occasional quick fix  :  |
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Jesse Cloud
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2012, 04:59 PM » |
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Interesting ideas here. I'm not a big fan of hollow chisel mortisers, especially now that we have the Domino XL for deep mortises.
My itch is to be able to make lots of pieces precisely and rapidly. Say 8 or 10 dining chairs at a time - that's a lot of mortises and many of them go in a compound angles (not a strong suit for the Domino) or on curves (even worse). To get the speed I have come to love in the Domino, I have to do a bit of jigging to ensure that the mortise goes exactly where it should - every time. The process is complicated by the fact that often I need to put that mortise into a piece that already has a lot of labor in it, so a mistake is doubly costly.
I wouldn't want the domino to be permanently stationary, but flexible enough to work in a jig or work freehand (as designed) my router does that - why can't my Domino....
I'll probably work up some sort of a plywood jig that screws onto the bottom of the domino and has countersunk screw holes for attaching to tables, fences, etc.
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2012, 08:34 PM » |
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I do this all the time and keep it real simple. Depending on the number of pieces, I will prop the Domino against the edge of the MFT and plunge the motor with my hip as shown in the pictures. The other way I do it is support the Domino by the cord boss on the MFT fence in the tall position, hold it in place with a quick clamp as shown in the video. It is much easier to do when your not holding an iPhone shooting a video.
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2012, 05:24 PM » |
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I agree! The CMS Module is one the of best examples for that! For small work pieces it would certainly make sense to work the other way around. I would be interested in a solution for that, if it's small easy and fast to set up and maybe connectable to the MFT! Sounds like just the project for RonWen and SENECAWOODWORKING!........Domitach, Domifix, Domiclamp..........! For the right price sign me up blind! It seems the Woodhaven product has this covered -- am I missing something? |
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2012, 06:13 PM » |
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Jesse, Only my Kapex has it's own letterhead. It just seems to be the more social of my Festool tools.  Honestly I like the idea of Domino being stationary for some work... just got to buy one first.  Cheers, Steve |
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2012, 06:24 PM » |
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I agree! The CMS Module is one the of best examples for that! For small work pieces it would certainly make sense to work the other way around. I would be interested in a solution for that, if it's small easy and fast to set up and maybe connectable to the MFT! Sounds like just the project for RonWen and SENECAWOODWORKING!........Domitach, Domifix, Domiclamp..........! For the right price sign me up blind! It seems the Woodhaven product has this covered -- am I missing something? Just looking at the Woodhaven ad, the kit looks awkward and possibly not well made. The "Biscuit master" is $120+ and the Domino adapter is $22 more, so one is down almost $150 for something that might not have the precision I am looking for. All I was asking for was a couple of screw holes in the base so I could securely fasten the Domino to a jig I would make out of scrap suited to the joinery task at hand. And Steve -  |
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2012, 07:41 PM » |
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I agree! The CMS Module is one the of best examples for that! For small work pieces it would certainly make sense to work the other way around. I would be interested in a solution for that, if it's small easy and fast to set up and maybe connectable to the MFT! Sounds like just the project for RonWen and SENECAWOODWORKING!........Domitach, Domifix, Domiclamp..........! For the right price sign me up blind! It seems the Woodhaven product has this covered -- am I missing something? Just looking at the Woodhaven ad, the kit looks awkward and possibly not well made. The "Biscuit master" is $120+ and the Domino adapter is $22 more, so one is down almost $150 for something that might not have the precision I am looking for. All I was asking for was a couple of screw holes in the base so I could securely fasten the Domino to a jig I would make out of scrap suited to the joinery task at hand.And Steve - The problem would be locating the (two?) holes where everyone finds convenient for their home brewed setup. The Domiplate is quite easily drilled (and tapped) if you decide to build something -- and please do share it. |
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2012, 10:52 PM » |
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Just buy a dedicated hollow chisel mortiser.
Seems silly to make a portable power tool stationary.
Every router table, everywhere, scoffs at this!  |
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2012, 04:48 PM » |
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I don't think it's a question of portable vs stationary. I think it's a question of modular vs dedicated function. I've seen some amazing jig setups on that board that bolt the domino in place to make a variety of things. A chop saw is great portable equipment, but with production stops in a shop environment it's a completely different tool. Steve Jones' TS 55 work table is still one of my favorite work station ideas of all time, and I'm going to be using some of his ideas in future months to make something similar. The modularity of all of the available router accessories that are available from Festool is something that is jaw-dropping. And on, and on. Modularity adds versatility. That hollow chisel mortiser will never be able to make cabinets, or do most of the other things that I've seen the Domino used for.
Let the uber-stupid ugh-monkeys play with dedicated push-button workstations. I want to do more.
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2012, 06:03 PM » |
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have you a link to that work table.
i agree about the stationary issue. you make some good points. it is more a question of adding uses and making some processes easier rather than not moving the domino
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now
ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130
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