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Offline RickyL

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2017, 07:16 AM »
I have 3 1400 rails and an 800.

I leave 2 of the 1400's joined the whole time. But to align them, simple put another rail upside down and hold it firmly with your hand at the joint. I can be within a 0.5mm pencil line across the 2800mm and it only takes a few seconds.

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Offline SS Teach

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2017, 03:16 PM »
I have two 1400 rails and one 800. I use a Betterly Straight Line Connector and Makita connectors. They work great, straight and solid.
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2018, 04:36 PM »
I have two 1400 rails and one 800. I use a Betterly Straight Line Connector and Makita connectors. They work great, straight and solid.
Same here. Though I am still considering selling the Betterley and second 55" rail to put the money towards the 106" or 118" rail.
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Offline rst

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2018, 06:36 PM »
I used  self made 60" 8020 extrusion jig and Makita joiners for years to join rails...finally bought the 118"/3000mm... never looked back...so much time wasted fiddling.

Offline Kodi Crescent

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2018, 02:23 PM »
I am/was (?) a hobbyist and have a small SUV with bike racks on top.  I have the Festool rails, connectors, special screws, and Betterly connector.  The longest rail I can get into my car is the 1900 (75").  That's my favorite rail for many things, especially breaking down sheet goods.

I rough cut sheet goods at the supplier and load them in the back of my small SUV along with my saw, and dust collector.  The supplier is a long way from home.  Once loaded, I no longer have a safe spot in the vehicle for the rail.  Getting the rail to the supplier is no trouble.  Getting it back home safely, however, becomes a hassle.

I could bring shorter rails and all the connection gizmos with me and live with the inconveniences, or I could strap it to the bike racks.  I don't keep the straps in my car, and even if I did, I'm concerned that a gusting cross-wind on the highway would bend the rail.
If I bring shorter rails and forget any essential connection-related accessories, sheet break down and rail transport becomes much more difficult. 

Additionally, I treat the splinter guard gingerly on the rail connection flips, AND they often come unglued regardless.  I know my cuts are straight, but I don't count on the accuracy of the cut line.  These little annoyances and non-value added steps accumulate over time to lessen my enjoyment of the tools.  It's "death by 1000 cuts".

I'm considering buying the Mafell saw, rails, connectors and bag just to make this task less of a hassle.  I want to go, get my stuff, and get home and get to work.  What a fussy hothouse flower I am.

Offline Gregor

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2018, 02:34 PM »
I rough cut sheet goods at the supplier and load them in the back of my small SUV along with my saw, and dust collector.  Once loaded, I no longer have a safe spot in the vehicle for the rail.  Getting the rail to the supplier is no trouble.  Getting it back home safely, however, becomes a hassle.
How do you load the sheets in the van?

In case you store them vertically and use straps to hold them in place: can't you just insert the rail between the sheets (with the 'rail' part of the rail resting on the sheets, so only the flat part between the sheets)?

In case you store them horizontally, can't you simply place the rail ontop of the stack and stop it from sliding with a strap?

Offline Kodi Crescent

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2018, 08:43 PM »
I rough cut sheet goods at the supplier and load them in the back of my small SUV along with my saw, and dust collector.  Once loaded, I no longer have a safe spot in the vehicle for the rail.  Getting the rail to the supplier is no trouble.  Getting it back home safely, however, becomes a hassle.
How do you load the sheets in the van?

In case you store them vertically and use straps to hold them in place: can't you just insert the rail between the sheets (with the 'rail' part of the rail resting on the sheets, so only the flat part between the sheets)?

In case you store them horizontally, can't you simply place the rail on top of the stack and stop it from sliding with a strap?

I don't have a van, I have a small passenger vehicle.  I have to fold the seats up to accommodate the materials.

The rail length is such that I need to lay it on edge between the passenger seat and the center driver console.  No concerns getting there with an empty load.  The rail stays put on the way there.

I load by laying the pieces horizontally.  I don't have any tie downs for vertical transport.

The cut sheet materials have a slick surface and a lot of mass so that when I turn a corner, they shift inside the vehicle sliding this way and that.  If I fit the rail the same way on the way home, the sliding pieces would destroy the rail almost immediately.  I lay the rail flat on the pieces, but since it protrudes into the driver's area, it moves back and forth in the cockpit area, and is quite unnerving and distracting during the drive.

I could ratchet strap the cut pieces together and place the rail(s) on top.  One more thing I have to remember to take with me.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2018, 10:27 PM »
Sounds like you have my Subaru.

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2018, 11:26 PM »
I rough cut sheet goods at the supplier and load them in the back of my small SUV along with my saw, and dust collector.  Once loaded, I no longer have a safe spot in the vehicle for the rail.  Getting the rail to the supplier is no trouble.  Getting it back home safely, however, becomes a hassle.
How do you load the sheets in the van?

In case you store them vertically and use straps to hold them in place: can't you just insert the rail between the sheets (with the 'rail' part of the rail resting on the sheets, so only the flat part between the sheets)?

In case you store them horizontally, can't you simply place the rail on top of the stack and stop it from sliding with a strap?

I don't have a van, I have a small passenger vehicle.  I have to fold the seats up to accommodate the materials.

The rail length is such that I need to lay it on edge between the passenger seat and the center driver console.  No concerns getting there with an empty load.  The rail stays put on the way there.

I load by laying the pieces horizontally.  I don't have any tie downs for vertical transport.

The cut sheet materials have a slick surface and a lot of mass so that when I turn a corner, they shift inside the vehicle sliding this way and that.  If I fit the rail the same way on the way home, the sliding pieces would destroy the rail almost immediately.  I lay the rail flat on the pieces, but since it protrudes into the driver's area, it moves back and forth in the cockpit area, and is quite unnerving and distracting during the drive.

I could ratchet strap the cut pieces together and place the rail(s) on top.  One more thing I have to remember to take with me.

How about clamp the rail to the sheets?

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2018, 12:36 AM »
Make a small A frame rack for carrying the cut ply pieces. A frame similar to those used to transport stone and glass but made of wood. If you’re clever you can make it with hinges so it can fold flat when not in use. Clamp or strap material to the frame. You should be able to find a way to use the seatbelt anchors to pass a strap across the top of A frame and ply. Guide rail passes between legs of A.

Offline Gregor

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2018, 10:19 AM »
The cut sheet materials have a slick surface and a lot of mass so that when I turn a corner, they shift inside the vehicle sliding this way and that.
You should really do something against the moving around, for security - take care of rail too.

We all don't plan to crashing our vehicle, but should prepare - having stuff fly around worst case is a bad idea...

Offline Kodi Crescent

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2018, 09:24 AM »
Sounds like you have my Subaru.

I've got an older RAV4.

Offline Kodi Crescent

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2018, 10:19 AM »
Make a small A frame rack for carrying the cut ply pieces. A frame similar to those used to transport stone and glass but made of wood. If you’re clever you can make it with hinges so it can fold flat when not in use. Clamp or strap material to the frame. You should be able to find a way to use the seatbelt anchors to pass a strap across the top of A frame and ply. Guide rail passes between legs of A.

If I was going to go through all that trouble I'd just remove the bike racks from the top of my car and ratchet strap the plywood pieces to the rack on top.

While I do enjoy using my Festools, I do get tired of all these little non-value added steps, shortcomings, or "mods" I have to deal with to mitigate the shortcomings.  I just want to buy the tool, do what I need to do, and move on.  It's kind of like doing actual work on Macs vs. Windows software.  Windows software is designed to just get the work done.  But no one will sing its praises.  Apple stuff requires lots of little extra steps to get work done and it often falls short.  People sing its praises regardless.

I'm puzzled as to why certain decisions are made with many of the products and accessories.  Why are the rail connector screws slotted when every other fastener in the Festool world is Allen or Torx?  Why a 1080 rail instead of 1200?  I could start a smooth plunge on a full-width piece on the MFT, accommodate the cord deflector, and have enough left on the back to clamp the rail up so it didn't fall and hit me in the head later in the day.  Why a 1400 rail instead of 1500 or even 1600?  The 1400 length seems just a bit short for crosscutting plywood.  Certainly too short for 5x5 BB sheets. 

I'm curious what variables are being optimized that drive these design decisions.  Otherwise, these little compromises here and there add up to "death by 1000 cuts".

Offline JimH2

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2018, 10:31 AM »
Additionally, I treat the splinter guard gingerly on the rail connection flips, AND they often come unglued regardless.  I know my cuts are straight, but I don't count on the accuracy of the cut line.  These little annoyances and non-value added steps accumulate over time to lessen my enjoyment of the tools.  It's "death by 1000 cuts".

I'm considering buying the Mafell saw, rails, connectors and bag just to make this task less of a hassle.  I want to go, get my stuff, and get home and get to work.  What a fussy hothouse flower I am.
Mafell rails are definitely better designed in terms of connectors and the splinter guard. I sold both of my Festool saws and replaced them with Mafell saws (MT55cc and MF26cc)

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2018, 10:54 AM »
Make a small A frame rack for carrying the cut ply pieces. A frame similar to those used to transport stone and glass but made of wood. If you’re clever you can make it with hinges so it can fold flat when not in use. Clamp or strap material to the frame. You should be able to find a way to use the seatbelt anchors to pass a strap across the top of A frame and ply. Guide rail passes between legs of A.

If I was going to go through all that trouble I'd just remove the bike racks from the top of my car and ratchet strap the plywood pieces to the rack on top.

While I do enjoy using my Festools, I do get tired of all these little non-value added steps, shortcomings, or "mods" I have to deal with to mitigate the shortcomings. I just want to buy the tool, do what I need to do, and move on. It's kind of like doing actual work on Macs vs. Windows software.  Windows software is designed to just get the work done.  But no one will sing its praises.  Apple stuff requires lots of little extra steps to get work done and it often falls short.  People sing its praises regardless.

I'm puzzled as to why certain decisions are made with many of the products and accessories.  Why are the rail connector screws slotted when every other fastener in the Festool world is Allen or Torx?  Why a 1080 rail instead of 1200?  I could start a smooth plunge on a full-width piece on the MFT, accommodate the cord deflector, and have enough left on the back to clamp the rail up so it didn't fall and hit me in the head later in the day.  Why a 1400 rail instead of 1500 or even 1600?  The 1400 length seems just a bit short for crosscutting plywood.  Certainly too short for 5x5 BB sheets. 

I'm curious what variables are being optimized that drive these design decisions.  Otherwise, these little compromises here and there add up to "death by 1000 cuts".

Just get your materials delivered from a real lumber yard and you won’t have to worry about transporting pieces.

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Offline Cheese

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Re: New Festool Guide Rail. This is what Festool should do.
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2018, 11:43 AM »
Why are the rail connector screws slotted when every other fastener in the Festool world is Allen or Torx? 

I think it was their way of not dimpling the rails as easily. Theoretically, a small undersized flat blade screwdriver will cam-out before damage is done. Unfortunately, the theoretical doesn't work well here when you actually use the correct sized screwdriver and maintain firm downward pressure on the screwdriver.  [crying]