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We've discussed this here before, but maybe if we had a poll... This is the Centrotec-Driver. Part Number 495228. And for some unknown reason, it is not (yet) available here in the United States.  So, would you purchase one of these babies if you could? I would.
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 12:19 AM » |
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I like the idea of being able to mount the Centrotec quick release chuck so your bits stay locked in while using it and it's short enough to use different size bits and adapters. It would be even better if it comes with a strong embedded magnet.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 05:12 AM » |
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I would buy it and the centrotec set if I had the money...
Although I do like the idea of the driver and being able to use the quick release chuck on it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2010, 08:53 AM » |
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Just letting you know I voted for What's a Centrotec-Driver? because I dont live in the USA and I didnt want to spoil the voting but I wanted to see what the results where so I had to vote for something.
You could use the angle chuck on it just you will have to hold the angle adapter as you cant lock it in place. Dont think ill use it for that but you could!
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 09:07 AM » |
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No need to vote, it's coming. Hopefully soon.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 09:08 AM » |
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I have a Centrotec set with this driver. Buying a spare would come in handy. I will probably pick one up if we end up going to BRD this winter. It's a handy little tool, won't replace a socket set but very handy nonetheless. For install/assembly work its been tough enough so far.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 09:31 AM » |
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Great can't wait.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 12:06 PM » |
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Can somebody link/point to more info on the Centro-tec. I've stayed away in the past of looking at this, as there is no use lookin' when you can't get it. Same as the CMS. Now that Shane seems to have strongly hinted the Centrotec it is coming, NOW I'll take a closer look. Of course, this also means that I had voted "What's a Centrotec".
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2010, 12:14 PM » |
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May have come too late for me. I bought a PB Swiss ratcheting screwdriver set that I think is phenomenal.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2010, 01:15 PM » |
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Shane is this coming as an individual part number or in the new and improved 2011 Centrotec set ?
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2010, 01:27 PM » |
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Tim, as it stands, I am confident the Centrotec hand driver is coming. I'm not sure about the set which includes the hand driver and ratchet. What do you guys think about the whole set? The set includes:
4mm - 10mm sockets (3) Pozi wire detent driver bits (3) Phillips wire detent driver bits (5) Torx wire detent driver bits (6) Hex wire detent driver bits (2) Slotted wire detent driver bits 1/4" socket extension, 3" long 1/4" hex driver to 1/4" socket adapter 1/4" socket to 1/4" hex driver bit adapter Pivoting socket adapter 2" Centrotec driver bit holder 6" Centotec driver bit holder Centrotec hand driver 1/4" socket Sys-Mini
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2010, 01:58 PM » |
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In a Sys-mini ... very nice. I would buy that. I know a lot of guys have stated they think the ratchet and toolie are rather useless. For general carpentry work I agree. For install work doing kitchens, baths, TV, stereo rack component install work, I have to defend the tools and say they have been very useful for me. Also good for motorcycle repairs, too small for car work though. The only thing I would prefer to see in that set is a tighter configuration of the existing components so there would be space for a void to put our own specific bit/socket needs into. The Mini in blue or green would also be nice. Bring it on Shane.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2010, 02:04 PM » |
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In a Sys-mini ... very nice. I would buy that. I know a lot of guys have stated they think the ratchet and toolie are rather useless. For general carpentry work I agree. For install work doing kitchens, baths, TV, stereo rack component install work, I have to defend the tools and say they have been very useful for me. Also good for motorcycle repairs, too small for car work though. The only thing I would prefer to see in that set is a tighter configuration of the existing components so there would be space for a void to put our own specific bit/socket needs into. The Mini in blue or green would also be nice. Bring it on Shane.
That set in a mini-sys is GBP91 ex tax over here, so for you guys it's likely to be around 140 bucks. Would you still want one?
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2010, 03:51 PM » |
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Although I'm always reluctant to buy "sets" like this, ( I routinely use 5% of the tools, occasionally use another 5%. but 90% sit in a case or on a shelf, never used.) I would consider the set you've shown, Shane. I would have to tailor it for my specific needs, but it looks like a good starting point for an installer kit.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2010, 05:07 PM » |
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Ummmm ... No? At $140 I'd have to think about it. I would probably rationalize it but not sure, but probably if it came with a free T-shirt. What Dan brings up is something we discussed in Lebanon. Festool could make various smaller Acc component packages that fit into a Sys and you could mix and match those pieces to make your own custom set. In this case, there could be one typical plastic tray for the sockets, one for the bits one for the two handles, one empty, one with countersinks, etc. You could then 'plug and play' the individual trays into a Sys for your own custom use. Unfortunately this seems to be way too user friendly of an idea for my people to glom onto. 'You want something? You take what we give you'.
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2010, 05:22 PM » |
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Tim, as it stands, I am confident the Centrotec hand driver is coming. I'm not sure about the set which includes the hand driver and ratchet. What do you guys think about the whole set? The set includes:
4mm - 10mm sockets (3) Pozi wire detent driver bits (3) Phillips wire detent driver bits (5) Torx wire detent driver bits (6) Hex wire detent driver bits (2) Slotted wire detent driver bits 1/4" socket extension, 3" long 1/4" hex driver to 1/4" socket adapter 1/4" socket to 1/4" hex driver bit adapter Pivoting socket adapter 2" Centrotec driver bit holder 6" Centotec driver bit holder Centrotec hand driver 1/4" socket Sys-Mini
Shane as it stands I am only interested in the handle. I was one of the lucky few who acquired one of the Centrotec set when they were available here. I have several applications that I preform regularly that I would like to hand start my screws. I carry a separate driver for this but it would be great to be able to throw this in my kit and have the option to use drill or hand driver. I guess when I said new Centrotec set I meant something more towards the driver sets that have been offered in the past with drill bits, countersinks, etc.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2010, 05:29 PM » |
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I voted no. Don't want to start another price point/value argument but to be honest I can't see myself generating enough money with that set to make it worthwhile. BTW, phillips, torx and other NON ROBERTSON bits are pretty much useless in north america and there are plenty of them in the centrotec set.
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2010, 05:43 PM » |
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I would not buy the set. There are better and less expensive options for a socket set. Being Festool, the ratchet and sockets would be 2-3 times more expensive than a comparable set from companies such as Snap-On, Matco, Craftsman, etc. A Craftsman set has a lifetime warranty and the sockets can be exchanged very easily at any Sears store. Festool doesn't have a lifetime warranty on such things and dealers are few and far between even if they did.
Generally speaking, I am interested in things that are Festool specific such as Centrotec bits. We pay a premium for Festool because the tools are usually of better quality and have unique features other tools don't have. I don't think general tools like socket sets from Festool would be of better quality and I could not justify the inevitable higher price.
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2010, 05:50 PM » |
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I agree with everything Andreas said. I also use the #2 pozi in my set for euro hardware installation and adjustment.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2010, 05:56 PM » |
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I voted no. Don't want to start another price point/value argument but to be honest I can't see myself generating enough money with that set to make it worthwhile. BTW, phillips, torx and other NON ROBERTSON bits are pretty much useless in north america and there are plenty of them in the centrotec set.
I assume that when you typed 'USA', you meant to type 'North America'.  I'm with you Andreas. On principal, I will not buy it until (if?) Festool steps up to the plate and supports Robertson bits.  But, even more important, there are good quality socket wrench sets available for a lot less money here (and they do provide Robertson bits). For example, I really like this small set available at Lee Valley: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=59940&cat=1,44047,59940 for $16.50. I have both the metric and imperial variations and they are very good quality
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2010, 07:07 PM » |
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I spent 400 bucks on a Wera ratchet set, I appreciate quality tools.
Robertson bits are soo last century guys.
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 07:10 PM » |
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Robertson bits are soo last century guys.
And many 'last century' things are the best. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2010, 07:26 PM » |
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Robertson bits are soo last century guys.
I agree... but if this is what's available , then that's what we are using...
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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2010, 07:58 PM » |
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You guys really can't get a hold of torx head screws in Canada?
I mean GRK is a canadian company for goodness sakes.
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2010, 08:15 PM » |
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You guys really can't get a hold of torx head screws in Canada?
I mean GRK is a canadian company for goodness sakes.
Yes, it is possible to get Torx screws, but they are not in common usage and they are expensive. By my estimate, 90 percent of the screws for sale in most hardware stores are Robertson. The same goes for screws that have been used in any reconstruction project that one takes on. And anyway, I don't find Torx screws to be any better than Robertson. I will admit that Torx are as good as Robertson are as good, but that's all.
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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2010, 08:20 PM » |
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The discussion of Robertson (square drive) has come up plenty of times. Your wire detent Robertson bits will work perfectly fine in these bit holders.
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2010, 08:33 PM » |
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The discussion of Robertson (square drive) has come up plenty of times. Your wire detent Robertson bits will work perfectly fine in these bit holders.
But they don't work in pure Centronix chucks. That's the support that I (and many others) have been asking for for many years. Festool simply is not listening.  I get the impression that Festool thinks they know better than many of their customers.
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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2010, 08:37 PM » |
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I just don't think that Robertson exists or is widely adopted in Germany. There are many other recesses that are more widely used throughout the world, which are supported in the Centrotec line.
Maybe our European friends can comment on the use of square drive there.
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I just don't think that Robertson exists or is widely adopted in Germany. There are many other recesses that are more widely used throughout the world, which are supported in the Centrotec line.
Maybe our European friends can comment on the use of square drive there.
They don't know that roberston guy.  I don't use anything other then driver tips, Wera's and GRK's.
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I just don't think that Robertson exists or is widely adopted in Germany. There are many other recesses that are more widely used throughout the world, which are supported in the Centrotec line.
Maybe our European friends can comment on the use of square drive there.
They are not used in Germany and that's the problem. Festool should realize that, when they are selling tools in local markets, some adaptation to local usage would be good for their business. Christian has known about thios requirement for many years and I believe that he even tried to obtain such support, but nothing has come of his efforts.
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