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festool make 2 belt sanders.
a 75mm and 100mm version.
google festool bs105.
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2010, 06:02 AM » |
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Festool BS 75 E & BS 105 E
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2010, 06:08 AM » |
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Festool BS 75 E & BS 105 E
Is it just me, or do the belt sanders both look a bit naff? I'm sure they work exceptionally well, but 99% of Festools have a look which is pleasing to the eye, and tells you "this is a well designed tool". These just look like those black rubber bricks you had to rescue in school swimming lessons... |
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2010, 06:23 AM » |
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I feel the same JRB they seem so out of keeping with the rest of Festool's product line. I wonder when they were brought into production?
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2010, 06:27 AM » |
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I feel the same JRB they seem so out of keeping with the rest of Festool's product line. I wonder when they were brought into production?
I've seen them on eBay with the Festo name on them, which makes it certainly pre-2000. It wouldn't surprise me if they were 20 years old. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2010, 06:32 AM » |
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That's funny I was just thinking the same. I noticed a Festo RSE3 listed this morning and was wondering about it's age and how Festools designs have evolved over the years.
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2010, 06:37 AM » |
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These two belt sanders originally come from the firm Holz-Her, another German quality brand that was bought by Festool years ago. Holz-her had a rep for being very sturdy and innovative, but aesthetics was definitely not on their list. Most Holz-Hers look very ugly and for practical purposes only. Metabo also had the BS 75 in their line up under the name BAE 1075. Anyway, I don't know of any good looking belt sander yet. They're mostly just square looking beasts. As they come, I don't think the BS75 and BS 105 look that bad.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2010, 06:48 AM » |
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As Alex already mentioned Metabo also used the old Holz-Her model.
But speaking of good looking belt sanders, since last year Metabo has a new model BAE 75.
Looks pretty good to me.
Festool might also thinking of upgrading to a new model.
But I don't think they sell so many belt-sanders so there is no reason for a new model.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2010, 06:49 AM » |
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Hi Alex,
Thanks for the information, I didn't know that. I agree with you that I can't think of any good looking belt sanders either, I think what I was trying to say was that BS 75 and BS 105 just have a totally different aesthetic compared with the rest of Festool's offerings and stand out because of it. So I was just curious about their origins and wether Festool had really spent much time developing them. Thanks again.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2010, 07:04 AM » |
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Hi Neeleman,
Thanks for the pictures. I hadn't seen the Metabo and yes it looks more up to date or at least like a design team has been involved. I would be interested to see what Festool would come up with if they get round to updating theirs or at least making it look like it belongs to their stable of products.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2010, 07:06 AM » |
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Well, Jonathan, you have a keen observation because it definitely was spot on.
Neeleman, I agree that new Metabo looks a bit more sexy. But not much though. Anyway, for me looks aren't that important, it's the functionality that counts. I surely doubt we'll see any updates to the Festool belt sanders either. Like you said, I don't think they sell that much of them. I think that's also the reason they never bothered to re-engineer some 110v models out of them for the UK and American market.
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2010, 07:15 AM » |
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Festool BS 75 E & BS 105 E
Is it just me, or do the belt sanders both look a bit naff? I'm sure they work exceptionally well, but 99% of Festools have a look which is pleasing to the eye, and tells you "this is a well designed tool". These just look like those black rubber bricks you had to rescue in school swimming lessons... as 'm just akin with an BS105, you're completely right.. it does look a bit awkward.. but have you seen any other 100mm Belt Sander with nearly the same capabilities, which looks trendy or flashy.. The BS line of sander is coming a long way out of a time, where design really followed the function.. and thats how it looks like on a Belt sander  kind regards, Mike |
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2010, 07:30 AM » |
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I can't really comment with regards to it's capability's and function is of course a primary concern, after all we are talking about tools. My interest was becuase of the way it looks was how much Festool have been involved in it's design and development from the original manufacturer, after all it comes with a Festool price tag.
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2010, 07:34 AM » |
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Here are the pictures of the original Holz Her and (imitation) Metabo and Festool brother belt sanders.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2010, 07:40 AM » |
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And then you have really ugly available in NA belt sanders:  |
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2010, 07:42 AM » |
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I think we're in danger of slipping off topic here....
Peter,
Perhaps you could separate this belt sander discussion to a new thread?
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2010, 08:17 AM » |
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And then you have really ugly available in NA belt sanders:
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Yeah, it may look ugly on the first look, but i assume once you use it, it shows to be very well ergonomically thought out.. Peter, i also opt in for Splitting off this thread in a belt sander subthread.. Thanks in advance. kind regards, Mike |
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2010, 08:40 AM » |
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bosch also have a holzher sander too
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2010, 08:52 AM » |
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a couple more...
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2010, 08:54 AM » |
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Yes, I like that! |
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2010, 09:52 AM » |
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it may not be that obvious for people outside Germany.. but the companies we are referring to like: Festool, Metabo, Mafell, Kress, Bosch (just to name a few..) are coming out of a very small area in Germany.. were talking here about a 100km circle.. (~50miles).. which means.. there was and is quite some cross talk going on and also developements are done together on several technologies with some companies.. So this is maybe the reason why some tools from different companies have been looking very similar |
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2010, 10:54 AM » |
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For whatever reason, don't know why, around here we always called that Holz-Her type a 'locomotive style' belt sander. One of the first tools I bought many years ago was a Ryobi 3x21 in that style. Horrible DC, loud rough motor that tended to bog down when stressed. Got really hot too.
I have that PC belt sander in the pic. Big, loud, pretty good DC though hooked up the my CT or Fein. Won't bog down and tears through anything. I mostly use it to scribe tops, wood rails, etc to walls.
A Festool belt sander is one of those items I would buy.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2010, 11:36 AM » |
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Hey, it may look like a brick, but you guys are forgetting about the aftermarket mods that are available.  |
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2010, 11:57 AM » |
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Very nice Rick, do you need road tax for it?  |
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2010, 12:21 PM » |
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I've always wondered, did Rick get his inspiration for that belt sander from this?
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2010, 05:02 PM » |
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i've had the festool bs 105 e belt sander for 1.5 years now.
i dont like all these new fancy shapes for belt sanders.
the brick shape from my point of view is perfect.
it is very easy to attach the festool legs to the top of the sander. (these aluminium legs are supplied with the sander)
then turn the sander upside down and you have a linisher.
i now find myself using the sander in this position about 70 percent of the time.
its great onsite and great in my workshop.
i do find the dust collection hose slips off when using the sander in the normal position.
thats maybe because of the aggressive way i am using it when sanding floors or decks.
without a vac attached, dust collection with the supplied dust bag is useless.
i highly recommend using a vac with this tool.
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2010, 07:19 PM » |
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Off topic, Peter cheers for that. Its years since i seen Tool Time  I off to Google more episodes. |
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2010, 07:25 PM » |
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Peter,remember those PC belt sanders that look like a locomotive?
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I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2010, 08:13 PM » |
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To be honest, I'm not sure if I would spend big $ on a Festool beltsander.... I'm not a big fan of the Makita and PC sanders, they are too heavy and just not fun to use. Several years ago, I bought a Bosch http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000223HB/rickswoodshop-20 Together with the CT Mini it is a pleasure to use! |
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2010, 08:31 PM » |
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That's the sander that i've been looking at. Any problem with it? Does it have good balance? I am use to the bigger brother 4x 24 and PC sanders witch i'm not to pleased with. |
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I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!
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