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« on: October 21, 2011, 11:55 AM »

Just got a used drill. Now I know why the guy didn't like it Smiley. He focused alot on the adapter allowing me to use all the bits he threw in with it, hehe.


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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 12:33 PM »

Okay, I'm sure there is a point to this thread but I haven't figured it out yet. Huh?!
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 01:26 PM »

Okay, I'm sure there is a point to this thread but I haven't figured it out yet. Huh?!
I think he's looking for a sq. bit to fit into the centrotec.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 02:29 PM »

 Beating a dead horse  Poke
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 03:00 PM »

Okay, I'm sure there is a point to this thread but I haven't figured it out yet. Huh?!
I think he's looking for a sq. bit to fit into the centrotec.

Surely that can't be it, as Shane has pointed out that horse has been beaten to death time and again......  Beside, as I've said before I'm sure very, very few people would ever buy a square drive bit at $16 a pop if Festool offered them.

I say the next person that says they wants a Centrotec square drive bit gets this: Ban Tongue Out Big Grin
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 04:14 PM »

I am trying to resussitate a dead horse, not beat it  Big Grin
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 04:43 PM »

I am trying to resussitate a dead horse, not beat it  Big Grin

I'll bring the defibrillator if you'll do the mouth to snout resuscitation.  Drooling
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 05:16 PM »

I don't screw much, but when I do, I use a square bit....

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 06:42 PM »

I'll  buy that $16 bit if it existed. Ball is in your court FESTOOL.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 07:31 PM »

I don't screw much, but when I do, I use a square Torx bit....



Here, I fixed your post for you. Wink

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 07:36 PM »

I don't screw much, but when I do, I use a square Torx bit....



Here, I fixed your post for you. Wink


I do need to look into torx screws! Wink
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 07:40 PM »

I don't screw much, but when I do, I use a square Torx bit....




Here, I fixed your post for you. Wink



I do need to look into torx screws! Wink


Yeah, and I'd be willing to bet you don't buy the $18 Centrotec bit that is available for them. Tongue Out Big Grin

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 07:42 PM »

I don't screw much, but when I do, I use a square Torx bit....




Here, I fixed your post for you. Wink



I do need to look into torx screws! Wink


Yeah, and I'd be willing to bet you don't buy the $18 Centrotec bit that is available for them. Tongue Out Big Grin



YOU WANT TO BET? Laughing
OK,OK Maybe not that one.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2011, 07:48 PM »

I do need to look into torx screws! Wink

I did spend some time a couple weeks ago searching for sources, but didn't find any. (Links to sources would be a good idea here.)

On the other hand, I have plenty of square drive screws in my shop already and I have no trouble finding them.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2011, 07:49 PM »

Beating a dead horse  Poke

No doubt.
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2011, 08:00 PM »


I did spend some time a couple weeks ago searching for sources, but didn't find any. (Links to sources would be a good idea here.)

On the other hand, I have plenty of square drive screws in my shop already and I have no trouble finding them.


Go to Home Depot, they have Spax and I've been told they also have GRK screws too although I've not seen them in my local stores.

Spax screw at Home Depot

GRK screws at Home Depot

Don't worry you don't have to buy from the Depot, there are plenty of other retailers out there.


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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2011, 09:50 PM »

If i never had to buy anything at the Home Depot I'd be happier
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2011, 10:16 PM »

GF,

While I generally agree with you about HD, my local HD has a nice selection of Spax screws.   I think GRK are somewhat better, but they are very hard to come by around here.  To me, the whole square drive thing leaves me cold.    I use Spax with Torx, Posidrive, combo square/phillips heads whenever possible.   Torx is by far my favorite.   Can't be beat, IMO.   I use square drive screws only with my Kreg jig.

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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2011, 04:49 AM »

you have to understand, the industry I work in, film and tv, are supplying the hardware we use to build. They go with robertson square drive screws.  in order for me to do my job I need those bits. would love to use torx or spax or what have you but it's not my choice
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2011, 12:22 PM »

Here is a thread  on making Centrotec compatible bits from regular ball detent bits. Could be a cottage industry for someone.

Square / Robertson for Centrotec

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2011, 12:47 PM »

Are any manufacturers other than Festool permitted to make Centrotec bits?
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2011, 12:55 PM »

Are any manufacturers other than Festool permitted to make Centrotec bits?

Nope, patented.
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2011, 01:01 PM »

BTW, if people want a centrotec square drive bit, why not make one yourself by taking a BH 60 magnetic bitholder and glue a square bit in it? Use a cyanoacrylate based superglue and it won't ever come loose again so you have the same functionality as if it were one of the 100 mm golden centrotec bits.
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2011, 01:11 PM »

Are any manufacturers other than Festool permitted to make Centrotec bits?

Nope, patented.

I'm pretty sure the bits are not patented, only the chuck mechanism. But, I could be wrong.
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2011, 02:00 PM »

you have to understand, the industry I work in, film and tv, are supplying the hardware we use to build. They go with robertson square drive screws.  in order for me to do my job I need those bits. would love to use torx or spax or what have you but it's not my choice

GF,

I'm pretty sure you're aware of these options, but I wrote a post awhile back (with pics) about all the ways I've used different bits in my C12: http://festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/please-enlighten-me-re-festool-drills/msg100025/#msg100025

One thing I don't understand is the why there is an issue with using a square drive bit in a BHS65 (http://www.festoolusa.com/products/cordless-drills/centrotec-drill-bits/pilot-bit-with-depth-stop/centrotec-bit-holder-bhs-65mm-492648.html ).  This seems to be a hot issue with some folks, but I don't understand why.  Yes, I understand that it would be nicer to have a square drive CentroTec bit, but what's wrong with using the BHS65?

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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2011, 04:20 PM »

Dan  although I understand the noise or need for this square drive, I have been using the BHS65 for a year now with my square drive bits and  have no issue at all. Sometimes ( I will get struck by lightening ) you just don't always have to use a Festool Bit to get thing done.

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2011, 04:45 PM »

.....One thing I don't understand is the why there is an issue with using a square drive bit in a BHS65 (http://www.festoolusa.com/products/cordless-drills/centrotec-drill-bits/pilot-bit-with-depth-stop/centrotec-bit-holder-bhs-65mm-492648.html ).  This seems to be a hot issue with some folks, but I don't understand why.  Yes, I understand that it would be nicer to have a square drive CentroTec bit, but what's wrong with using the BHS65?

Regards,

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Dan, I can't help but think some (or maybe even most) people who argue for the Centrotec square drive bits don't know what they are asking for.  It's a square drive version of this 100mm one piece bit.

Personally I've never used one of these types of bit nor do I have any interest.  They are pricey at $18 (I think that's for two bits but I'm not sure).  I see little advantage to these bits for the extra cost.  Are they even magnetic?  With professional use driver bits ware out too quickly to spend $9 apiece on a bit.  I use the regular BHS or BH bit holder since I use so many different types and sizes of driver bits for my collection of screws.  It's far more convenient for me to have all the wire detent drivers bits I need right on the drill than a collection of one piece Centrotec bits.      

So here's a related question, how many of you guys use the Centrotec bits often and do you buy replacements regularly?    
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2011, 05:04 PM »

This is the freakin wish list forum and I made a wish.

Just because I'm not paying 18 bucks for a torx bit for screws that I don't have doesnt mean I wouldn't pay 18 bucks for a square drive bit.  Since when did price become an obstacle when talking about Festool's?

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2011, 05:06 PM »

Again, it's more of a nag for me. I use the BH65 with wire detent robertsons daily. No real problem. If I need to use a longer ball detent bit, which is far less frequent I slap it on one of my keyless chucks, CXS or T-15, no real biggie. For square drive screws I use Robertson brand bits only, best fit and you get a lot of use out of them before they're no good. In fact i tend to lose them before they wear out. I can see the point of Festool brand bits being way over priced, I think the BH65 is way over priced and of lesser quality than what some competitors offer. I guess the annoyance was agitated with the release of the bit set at the start of the month, while the package of bradpoints and countersinks and all was great, the rest of those bits are pretty much useless to me. Yes I do use phillips and pozi drives doing installations when the film season is off, it's faaaar less frequent than my use of Robbies.

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2011, 05:13 PM »

I'm pretty sure the bits are not patented, only the chuck mechanism. But, I could be wrong.

I would expect both the chuck and the Centrotec connection design to be separate patents. The Centrotec system is a design for how a bit would fit into a chuck and the specifications on the design of the bit connection. It's common to patent such designs. (For example, the iPod connector is patented.)

The question is, does Festool let other manufacturers make bits? So for instance, GhostFist likes the Robinson made bit. Would Festool allow them to make bits with Centrotec connectors?
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