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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2011, 05:20 PM » |
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I bought the various 100mm Centrotec bits and use them occassionally, modified some 100mm and 150mm Robertson bits to work with the Centrotec chuck and use those everyday. I use the BHS65 if I have to use Torx 10, Pozidrive or any other wire bit. Out of the Centrotec bits I use the #2 Phillips the most, mainly for disassembling or when replacing a Phillips screw for a Robertson. The main problem I find with the BHS65 Holder and wire bits comes when you have to sink screws below the bit depth,
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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2011, 05:21 PM » |
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Zapdafish, I think it is a good wish. I too wish for a centrotec square drive bit. Nothing like a complete and uniform system. I have never had a bit holder that I really liked. Much prefer a one piece straight bit in the chuck.
Like many other things in the tool world it depends on how you work and personal preferance.
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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2011, 07:59 PM » |
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I'm pretty sure the bits are not patented, only the chuck mechanism. But, I could be wrong.
I would think that, as part of the entire centrotec system, this part of the bit would also be patented.  The question is, does Festool let other manufacturers make bits? So for instance, GhostFist likes the Robinson made bit. Would Festool allow them to make bits with Centrotec connectors?
In this thread Christian Oltzscher replied that they explored the posibilities. "We have tried with numerous suppliers of bits to get a square drive bit in Centrotec format. We have tried on our own, and we enlisted the help of
McFeely's. It was not possible to get a Centrotec square drive bit in Festool quality at an acceptable price. We are well aware of the issue and we would love
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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2011, 08:08 PM » |
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I see Jim (previous owner of McFeely's) is looking at the thread. I worked for McFeely's when they were approached by Festool about making a square drive Centrotec bit. We don't make it a habit of ignoring our customers.
As far as I know, there is nothing that would prevent another manufacturer from making such a bit. But, I would suggest that any company thinking of doing so verify that rather than taking my word for it. While I try to be well versed in all things Festool, there's a lot to know. I admittedly don't know it all.
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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2011, 08:43 PM » |
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That's it, I am buying some new machinery to make some.
I think I will charge 50 bucks each for them.
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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2011, 08:54 PM » |
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« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2011, 09:11 PM » |
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Fine, 100 bucks each.  |
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2011, 11:36 PM » |
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Does anyone have a source for pocket hole screws that have a torx head on them? I don't remember ever seeing one that wasn't a square drive, and pocket holes are so nice to use in conjunction with dominos for alignment...  |
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2011, 06:29 AM » |
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Does anyone have a source for pocket hole screws that have a torx head on them?
Check out GRK's pan headed screws. |
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2011, 08:31 AM » |
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Does anyone have a source for pocket hole screws that have a torx head on them? I don't remember ever seeing one that wasn't a square drive, and pocket holes are so nice to use in conjunction with dominos for alignment... Other than the fact that Kreg screws are fairly decent in quality, how are they actually different from any other self-tapping wood screw of the same size? |
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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2011, 09:42 AM » |
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I *think* the head is designed to fit the hole perfectly and increase force distribution across the surface....
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2011, 03:41 PM » |
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Does anyone have a source for pocket hole screws that have a torx head on them?
Check out GRK's pan headed screws. I *think* the head is designed to fit the hole perfectly and increase force distribution across the surface....
I was wondering if these cabinet screws from GRK would be good alternatives for the Kreg screws? It seems as if the flat design of these screws mimic the head on Kreg screws.  |
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2011, 03:51 PM » |
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My guess is that the washer style head will be too wide to fit into the pocket screw head recess.
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2011, 03:57 PM » |
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My guess is that the washer style head will be too wide to fit into the pocket screw head recess.
Peter
The GRK Cabinet screw (washer head) is definetly too big for pocket holes. I have some. Great for other things though. The GRK pan heads work very well in pocket holes. Seth |
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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2011, 04:10 PM » |
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Forget about the darn screw heads and bit types. Just pop rivet your joints and add a touch of hot melt adhesive. It works for planes. Just ask Rosie.  |
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2011, 05:03 PM » |
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The GRK Cabinet screw (washer head) is definetly too big for pocket holes. I have some. Great for other things though.
The GRK pan heads work very well in pocket holes.
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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2011, 07:08 PM » |
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« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2011, 07:18 PM » |
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Good find, and they're AINA! The counts crack me up though. "Yeah yeah, definitely 844 pocket screws in the box...." |
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« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2011, 09:44 PM » |
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I'm pretty sure the bits are not patented, only the chuck mechanism. But, I could be wrong.
I would expect both the chuck and the Centrotec connection design to be separate patents. The Centrotec system is a design for how a bit would fit into a chuck and the specifications on the design of the bit connection. It's common to patent such designs. (For example, the iPod connector is patented.) The question is, does Festool let other manufacturers make bits? So for instance, GhostFist likes the Robinson made bit. Would Festool allow them to make bits with Centrotec connectors? the problem is this... festool has copyrighted and trademarked all of their intellectual property, and if they are like most companies, they patented the CEO's dog as well. that being said, they my not want to bother with producing limited demand items like square drive bits to fit directly into the centrotek, but if anyone else uses their design, they have to go barking at them, or they risk losing the protection of the patent. patent's, trade marks, and sales marks which are not defended can be weakened. let's say someone on here makes for profit some bits we all want, and festool, not wanting that market anyway, figures it keeps the customers happy, so why not? next year, blork and dorkie decides to make a full range of bits that fit the centrotec, and festool files for legal remedy.... and then it comes out in court that festool was allowing someone else to use their intellectual property as if it was in the public domain. me, if they were priced within reason, i'd love sets of fractional bits and unibits in titanium dioxide, for drilling stainless. so, i have bought some new unibits, and will go off and play with a lathe and toolpost grinder, and put a centrotek shaft on those three or four bits, 'cause i'm stubborn. festool could add square head tips without much inconvenience, seeing as lots of people here would use them. i'd buy them in a heartbeat, as most electrical fittings and panel screws, and circuit breakers use #2 square drive. i don't think they are gonna do it, ever. so, we can either make bootlegs, or quit whining about it. |
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... it's not good.... my festool dealer
knows me by my first name....
...i'm suspecting i'm his 401K.....
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« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2011, 10:11 PM » |
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....i don't think they are gonna do it, ever. so, we can either make bootlegs, or quit
whining about it.
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« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2011, 11:06 PM » |
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I dunno...if Festool made the bits then what would be whine about? Personally I find these posts entertaining... Scot |
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« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2011, 11:21 PM » |
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These unrelenting posts about square drive bits has gotten out of hand. I'm locking this and the other threads. As soon as all of you come to your senses and accept nothing but slotted, I will then open these threads back up.
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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2011, 07:21 AM » |
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I need a bit that can drive screws which have the same type of heads that nails do -- just plain-old flat.  Has to work consistently though, so if anyone actually wastes his time trying to design one -- make sure you don't screw it up...  |
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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2011, 11:43 AM » |
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Have you used this brand of screw before? How do they compare in terms of quality vs GRK? |
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« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2011, 05:36 PM » |
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Have you used this brand of screw before? How do they compare in terms of quality vs GRK? A while back I bought 5 Lbs of each (shorter than 4"), at that time I couldn't find a source for GRK, and I had come to love the torx head and still do. The common screws were fine but the trim head screws seem to snap off driver bits for some reason. The face frame screws were fine as well, but my only issue with them was that I expected them to be cheaper (price wise) than the Kreg brand but they were the same price or a little more. I did not see any great advantage in the torx over the robertson head in this application. Since then, Home Dopey started selling their "deck" screws with a torx head and I started using them since it is so convinent to get them when ever you are low. Just yesterday I discovered that they were selling Spax torx head screws and I will start re-stocking with those. Also, Amazon is now stocking some sizes of GRKs, and their trim head screws can't be beat. Sorry to have rambled! |
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