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Offline PaulH99

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Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« on: April 19, 2018, 05:53 PM »
I just came home after the most bizarre experience with Sherwin Williams. I've called or visited at least six different stores including the Commercial Paint Store in Medford, MA in search of Kem Aqua Plus White. None had any in stock but each referred me to the Product Finishes Factility in Lowell, MA.

When I arrived I asked for the manager and explained what I was doing (kitchen cabinets with a five-stage HVLP) and the product I was looking for. She looked horrified and told me that I would need a certified paint booth. According to her, KAP cannot be sprayed outside because the EPA would fine me due to the VOC content, and it can't be sprayed inside because of the explosion risk. She refused to sell it to me unless I could show proof of a certified spray booth.

She printed the data sheet with all of the specifics and sent my on my way. According to the data sheet it is a low VOC product and the flash point (e.g. explosion risk) is listed as "none".

? Am I missing something here or do they really, really not want to sell KAP to the public?
-Paul
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Offline Gregor

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2018, 06:23 PM »
From the MSDS:
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CARCINOGENICITY - Category 2

WARNING:  This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause
cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.  FOR INDUSTRIAL USE ONLY
Might explain your problem of obtaining that stuff.

Offline Don T

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 06:35 PM »
From the MSDS:
Quote
CARCINOGENICITY - Category 2

WARNING:  This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause
cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.  FOR INDUSTRIAL USE ONLY
Might explain your problem of obtaining that stuff.
If everyone went with the California warnings, we would not be able to use anything.
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Offline PaulH99

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 06:43 PM »
I'm in Massachusetts. We're a bit of a nanny state as well, but no where near as bad as CA!   [blink]

From the MSDS:
Quote
CARCINOGENICITY - Category 2

WARNING:  This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause
cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.  FOR INDUSTRIAL USE ONLY
Might explain your problem of obtaining that stuff.
-Paul
CT 26 • DF 500 • ETS 125 • KS 120 • OF 1400 • PS 420 • RO 125 • TS 55 R

Offline live4ever

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 06:56 PM »
Bizarre.  But not surprising.
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

Offline Cheese

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 07:07 PM »
There are others on the FOG that squirt KAP all the time. I doubt they all have access to a certified spray booth.

I’d contact SW corporate and get their readout.

So, just one person trying to save the world from itself...a gallon of paint at a time.  [eek]
« Last Edit: April 19, 2018, 07:10 PM by Cheese »

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 07:45 PM »
I have had a similar experience with my local Benjamin Moore dealer when inquiring about their brand of lacquer.  I later came back and talked to the manager explaining things.  I should be able to buy it now.

Litigious world we live in.

Peter

Offline leakyroof

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 08:32 PM »
I have had a similar experience with my local Benjamin Moore dealer when inquiring about their brand of lacquer.  I later came back and talked to the manager explaining things.  I should be able to buy it now.

Litigious world we live in.

Peter
. You just had to tell them ‘ I AM a Spray Booth unto Myself’.... [wink]
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Offline bkharman

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2018, 10:22 PM »
Being in MA and talking about a paint booth reminds me of that old Adam Sandler skit (on tape only or CD at best)... Toll Booth Willy...

I’m coming out the boof!!!

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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2018, 11:02 PM »
The spray booth requirements do not apply to you as an individual. They also do not apply to anyone/business spraying 1 gallon or less per day.

The store manager does not know this product.

https://www3.epa.gov/ttn/atw/area/paint_stripb.pdf

TOM

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Re: Bizarre Sherwin Williams Experience
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2018, 01:11 AM »
The Product Finish stores aren’t like your normal SW retail stores. Their clients are typically cabinet shops and industrial finishers.

Due to the type of products they sell they don’t like and/or want to sell to the general public.

My guess is that the person you were talking to was mistaking Kem Aqua for Kem Aqua Plus.


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