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« on: April 03, 2008, 12:19 PM » |
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I am ready to finish my first fun festool project. ( the rest have been jobs to pay for my fancy new tools) I have mad a teak and wenge mirror as a wedding present and I want some input on how to fill the pores on the wenge, and any tips on the teak. I have learned the hard way a bad finish can ruin a great project.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 12:35 PM » |
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Nate, it all depends on the look you are going for but I finished my last wenge project with boiled linseed oil over Zinsser's Bullseye SealCoat. It was a very natural look and I loved it as did the client. Fred
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2008, 12:39 PM » |
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I am ready to finish my first fun festool project. ( the rest have been jobs to pay for my fancy new tools) I have mad a teak and wenge mirror as a wedding present and I want some input on how to fill the pores on the wenge, and any tips on the teak. I have learned the hard way a bad finish can ruin a great project.
nate
Nate you have to fill those pores in Wenge! Use this I get great results with it using Wenge and really easy to use! Wood Grain FillerNickao |
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2008, 03:12 PM » |
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Nate you have to fill those pores in Wenge! Use this I get great results with it using Wenge and really easy to use! Wood Grain FillerNickao Thanks for the tip on the CLEAR grain filler. Didn't know about that. |
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2008, 03:43 PM » |
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That grain filler works wonders with Oak or any open grain or open pore wood as well.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 10:46 PM » |
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[/quote] Nate you have to fill those pores in Wenge! [/quote] No you don't! I made a wenge candle holder tray that I have used weekly for about 3 years. It is finished with poly. I don't know what it would look like with filler, but it couldn't look nicer. (I didn't clean it up for the the photo, obviously.) http://www.frontiernet.net/~toller/wenge.jpgMade with on a router table out of one block of wenge. I also made the candle holders 30 years ago. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2008, 11:01 PM » |
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Nate you have to fill those pores in Wenge! [/quote] No you don't! I made a wenge candle holder tray that I have used weekly for about 3 years. It is finished with poly. I don't know what it would look like with filler, but it couldn't look nicer. (I didn't clean it up for the the photo, obviously.) http://www.frontiernet.net/~toller/wenge.jpgMade with on a router table out of one block of wenge. I also made the candle holders 30 years ago. [/quote] I use Wenge every single day. I have gone through thousands of Bd ft. I was stating an opinion like WOW do you see that! I did not mean in any way it is required at all. I meant more like wait till you see this! Come to my shop and I will fill one piece and not the other and you tell me which you like better! I do a lot of work on boats and people lean up and walk on or against my stuff. The Wenge is so opened pored unless you want that look, use grain filler. I did not make any reference to the Wenge not lasting or that it is a requirement, it is strictly for looks. If you want to see yourself in the Wenge like a mirror and want it to be smooth like a closed grained wood, as smooth as glass, fill it. I am NOT the best woodworker in the world at all. I do not know everything. As I get older and smarter the more I realize I know nothing. But I am emphatic and if I am an expert on anything it is hardwoods and how to make them look their best for MY clients. And I say FILL the grain in that WENGE. period! Unless you want an open pore look for the decor. nickao |
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2008, 11:24 PM » |
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I didn't comment on the candle holder, very nice! If I sound like an butt head in the previous post I am sorry, sometimes I just get to excited about wood in general. My collection is up to about 600 species right now and collecting wood is another of my hobbies. Sometimes I am over exuberant.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2008, 11:26 PM » |
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Nickao, I am confused are you saying you should fill the grain???    Fred |
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2008, 11:28 PM » |
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You are the funniest guy Fred, sounded wishy washy didn't I!
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2008, 11:43 PM » |
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Nah, just having fun. I love wenge and have done a lot of work with it also. The Bullseye Sealcoat also fills the grain and I use it a lot. Fred
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2008, 03:39 PM » |
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I did not make any reference to the Wenge not lasting or that it is a requirement, it is strictly for looks. If you want to see yourself in the Wenge like a mirror and want it to be smooth like a closed grained wood, as smooth as glass, fill it. Its just a matter of taste. I prefer it looking like wood rather than plastic. There, I can be opinionated also. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2008, 06:02 PM » |
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Nate you have to fill those pores in Wenge! Use this I get great results with it using Wenge and really easy to use! Wood Grain FillerNickao [/quote] Nick, I know this is a rather old topic but I was at my local Rockler today and they had a beautiful piece of 1/2" wenge about 5" wide and 6' long. I couldn't resist. Now I do not know what to do with it. Maybe mate it up with my zebrawood somehow. Anyway, I followed your link to Crystalac. Do you still feel so strongly about it? The reviewers on Rockler's website do not have many good things to say about it. Behlens make a filler as well. Have you tried it or any other clear grain fillers? Thanks, Nick. I value your opinion. Neill |
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2008, 06:41 PM » |
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Hey I love the stuff so I have no idea what they are talking about. If they are used to the old school stuff this is nothing like that and sometimes different is hard to accept. All I know is it is very easy to work with and I get glass smooth results using it over and over again. I use it AFTER the initial sanding sealer and NOT on bare wood too, maybe its not good on bare wood?
Actually, anything will be nice I guess it is personal taste. Its just some other stuff was so hard to get off once you got it applied you ended up pulling the filler out of the pores, The crystalac does have to be used twice maybe that's the problem.
Behlens is a good brand also, but I have never used it.
In my statement I did not mean you literally had to use it, just that using it with Wenge really gives great results. Especially if your piece has a lot of open pores and you do not want that look. It is not required only if you want it glass smooth.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2008, 06:50 PM » |
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Nick,
What I missed in your opening posts was the need to use sanding sealer first and then two coats of the Crystalac. I am sure that the reviewers on Rockler's website did not use the sanding sealer. Frankly, I probably would not have done that unless it said so in Crystalac's instructions. Thanks for the heads-up.
I did understand your comment regarding filling as being optional. I prefer smooth finishes as well. I am not always looking for high gloss, just smooth.
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