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« on: December 11, 2008, 10:42 PM »

I have finished a walnut veneer with 3 coats of Varathane Professional Clear Gloss. I am wondering if can use the RO 150 to increase gloss and rid the final coat of a few dust nibs in the process? What would an RO expert suggest, as I am new to the range of this machine's capabilities.
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 12:00 AM »

I haven't tried it on poly, but sheepskin and felt pad to a great job of buffing out lacquers. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 12:07 AM »

James -

You might also try the Platin sanding pads.  You can get them in 400-500-100-2000-4000 grits.  I have used them on poly and water based latex.  They provide a very fine finish.  Just go easy with your sander.

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 12:59 AM »

Are you a total newbie at rubbing out a finish or do you just want suggestions for the RO 150?

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 07:25 PM »

Hi Justin F. I am the former; a total newbie at rubbing out a finish. Thanks for your interest. Hope to hear your opinion.
Thanks to the other members who responded. I appreciate your suggestions.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 08:46 PM »

Well you started out with a "high" gloss finish which is a good starting step as semi-gloss, satin, etc tend to not be as hard when fully cured (that's what people tell me).  A hard curing finish is easier to rub out than a not so hard finish, mostly because rubbing out a finish entails a process of scratching the surface with an abrasive --- you can imagine that a hard surface can be scratched more uniformly than a soft (gooey or plastic-like) one ---- so a process of replacing scratches with finer and finer scratches is what you will be doing as you move up the abrasives ladder (fine to finer grits). 

I can send you some PDF's on the matter if you would like.

I haven't used a the Rotex to finish a finish but the Platin or Brilliant starting at around 320 grit might work ---  the idea in the beginning is to get as uniform, level, and flat of a surface as possible --- makes it a lot easier as you move up the grits.  Watch out for edges and varnish does not form a uniform, mono-layer when its cured (each coat that you apply remains discrete) so if you rub through the top coat(s) you will see "witness lines" in your finish.

Check out Per Swenson's article (PDF) Sanding Bar Top here: http://www.swensonz.com/  (under Reviews and Instructions) --- I think he uses a Rotex to finish out the finish.



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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 09:16 PM »

James -

You might like to refer to any of Jeff Jewitt's books on finishing.  He tells you all about rubbing out finishes using sanding, steel wool, pumice and rottenstone.  He also tells you how to achieve the finish you want and what products to use.

He also has a website under Homestead Finishes (I believe, I know it is Homestead something...).  Great free advise in plain English from an expert.

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2008, 12:05 AM »

Justin F.
Thanks for the information and the link. I'll accept any pdf's from which you think I would benefit. You are very helpful and I appreciate your efforts.
James
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2008, 12:09 AM »

Neill,
Thanks for the leads. I'll do some tracking, now, after your help. You are appreciated.
James
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2008, 09:49 AM »

another late answer but: http://www.woodshopdemos.com/trays-13.htm

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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 11:45 PM »

Dear Woodshopdemos,
Thank-you so much for the illustrated technique and informative product information. 
You have put a shine on my face with your glossy great gift  to me and the forum.
John, I have been to your site many times and have learned alot from you and your demonstrations.
I never thought I would be helped by you; the woodworking celebrity that I consider you to be.
THANKS.
James1
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 11:57 PM »

James1, What exactly is Varathane Professional Clear Gloss? Is that a polyurethane finish?

If so, from my understanding polyurethane finishes are difficult to rub out and get a consistent sheen.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2009, 08:00 PM »

Dear Woodenfish,
You were right to assume that the finish is an oil based polyurethane. Like you, I have heard that a poly is not friendly to rubbing. I'm not sure why; hardness and layers maybe? Any ideas or alternatives are welcome, if your time permits.
Thanks for the interest, Woodenfish.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2009, 08:21 PM »

Just how large is the area that needs polishing? Remember I said it was difficult, but I didn't say it was impossible. How old is the finish coat?
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2009, 08:49 PM »

Behlens Rockhard Varnish is a good varnish if you want to rub it out.


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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2009, 11:23 PM »

Dear Woodenfish,
The finish has cured about 3 weeks. The area is about three and a half square feet.
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2009, 11:26 PM »

Dear Justin,
Thanks for the tip on Behlens Varnish.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2009, 12:34 AM »

James1, Depending on the ambient temperature over those last three weeks you might need to wait another 1 to 3 weeks before attempting to polish the finish. Woodshopdemos link looks real good.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2009, 09:31 AM »

Hi James,

The poly can be rubbed and polished using the rotex. The key like woodenfish said is to make sure it's completely cured. I'd make sure I put it somewhere warm for a couple more weeks.

As a newbie woodworker I read all 3 articles on rubbing out a finish. With a little practice it really works well. I would start by reading J Jewitt's article (the links is:  http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/htdocs/rubbingout.htm ) then read John's (woodshopdemos) and Per's. After that, get some platin and start rubbing!!!

Hope this helps.

Ken

ps. I found out the hard way not to start out with the piece you want to finish. Practice the process on some test pieces first, it really is more art than technical form. This is the point when you can appreciate what John and Per create.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2009, 01:37 PM »

Hi Woodenfish.
Thanks for your expertise of this last stage of my project and your evaluation of the Woodshopdemo. Much APPRECIATED.
James1
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2009, 02:12 PM »

Hi Ken,
Thank-you very much for giving me the steps you took to gain the knowledge needed for rubbing a finish. I know that the evolution of your knowledge base is one trip that I must take, as you did. After your experience prior to practice, I'll be practicing before I do the real project...great tip for a newbie like me.
If you have the time to share, I'd be interested in the following which you used for your project:

1. Sanding products (sandpaper and grit details)
2. Polishing product details ( I know you mentioned Platin)
3. Polishing compound(s) and applicator details (if used)

VERY INTERESTED.
Thanks, again Ken.
James
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2009, 06:29 PM »

another way to go MIGHT be this

its festool products all the way, festool know more than a little about polishing



i occasionally have to polish Getacore or Corian kitchen countertops to a high gloss finish

im sure there are many other trade names, a thick plastic bonded to a moisture resistant chipboard [partical board]



for the final finish i use festools liquid polishing compound (you go through 3 grades of paper before this stage with getacore)

its like T Cut and used in the same way, rub it on and buff it off (but see the cautionary note below)

festool version is even finer than T cut

it equates to 11'000 grit

then buff it off with a festool sheepskin bonnet




warning, attention, caution.........................   work in small areas at a time..............

if the liquid FULLY dries out hard, before you buff it off ...................................... you start all over again

you cant take a tea break like T Cut

sorry that would be a coffee break  Roll Eyes guys

and come back to it
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2009, 11:00 PM »

Hi Tom,
Thanks for your information.
It looks like Festool doesn't offer its polishing compounds in N. America; not as far as I could see (I'll be honest right now and tell you that I no longer have 20/20 vision). I did get to take a look at these compounds at an Australian (if I remember correctly)site.
I tried to find the T Cut that you mentioned, but again I had no luck in finding this one in N. America. Maybe you could offer some internet site assistance to my unsuccessful attempts, if you have the time.
Nice throwing blade for your icon; what is it called?
James1
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