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Offline Ken

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How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« on: July 27, 2008, 06:18 PM »
Hey folks, today I was asked to give an estimate to refinish a bar in a restaurant in Manhattan, NY. I do not do this for a living and have no idea what the prevailing rates are. The details of the bar are as follows:

1. 2ft x 40ft of solid red oak in very good condition.
2. existing finish which needs to be stripped either by heat gun, paint stripper or sanding. I believe it's a long oil varnish which never properly cured because it's very soft and can be peeled right off after 4 years of being applied. This leads me to believe heat's the best way to go since I hate chemicals.

My plan would be to use my RO125 sanding from 120 up to P220 and Behlen's rock hard table varnish (3 coats) as the topcoat. Not sure if the owner wants a stain or not. My initial calculation would be approx. 12 hours of labor (just me, myself and I).

I need to have this estimate in by Monday July 28 since as of now the owner is going with his current "contractor" who is the type of guy that installed wall tile 2 months ago and never bothered to grout or even take out the spacers...but gosh darnit-he works for real cheap.

I would greatly appreciate any and all input you are willing to offer.

Ken

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Offline Justin F.

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2008, 06:24 PM »
Gummy soft varnish might be tough on the sanders so heat might be your best bet.   I can't offer you any advise on rate to charge but you might want to add a seal coat of some kind --- dewaxed shellac is a good choice to seal any crap in that could effect your final coats..   

Behlens is beautiful stuff.


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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2008, 06:52 PM »
Somebody call Per
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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2008, 07:37 PM »
my tuppence

be careful going into competition with a cowboy who doesnt grout tiles, then says he can do bar finishing

it isnt really the cowboy thats the problem

its the owner



dont be fooled that he will accept crap work from you

remember his bar top is front of shop, so it must be good

he clearly doesnt give a monkeys that the tiling in the toilets (rest rooms) has no grout



anyway

im listening with english ears and giving an english response




this long oil based varnish sounds a bit like yacht varnish (spar varnish?) it never really quite goes off

it is MORE of a surface finish, it sits on the surface more than it is absorbed into the wood

so it will clog any sandpaper very quickly




personally i would go with a much coarser grit to start with maybe P60

to rip the bulk of the finish off

before going to the finishing grades
« Last Edit: July 27, 2008, 07:47 PM by dirtydeeds »
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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2008, 09:06 PM »
Your Favorite Wise Acre present and accounted for.

2 million dollars.

I kid, I kid, but not much.

12 hours? not if you plan on doing it correctly.

Next question, this bar going to have the rummys about while you do this?

If the answer is yes better ask for 4 million.

40 foot of bar you should be able to remove the finish in two thirds of a day.

Then get your first coat of shellac on. You are going to want a good build of shellac,

good three coats mebbe 4, we use zinnser seal cote. Its a dewaxed shellac right out of the can.

sand it in between to 220. By now you should see any of the pits and holes that the shellac wont fill,

and its time for some neutral grain filler. This should get you close. Then shellac it again.

Let it dry. sand again to 220. 100% dust free. Never use a tack cloth.

I recommend the behlen varnish reducer, but if you are in a pinch, naptha on a lint free rag to wipe it.

Like the automotive fellas use prepsol.

3 is good, 4 is better that is both coats and days in between.

In other words at least (weather permitting) 24 solid hours between coats. sanding now to 320.

It is still gonna look like crap until you come back in a month and polish it out.

See Here.  13 th PDF down from the top

I hope this helps. Whats not going to help...I know ,,,,,is me telling you how long this takes to do a good job.

And when it comes to this...I refuse to put my New Jersey contractors hat on, if ya catch my drift.

You can also look at pitchas here

Per

Ok  better then a full week if your lucky and thats not counting the polish.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2008, 09:10 PM by Per Swenson »
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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 03:34 AM »
per

why are tack cloths a no no ?

does this requirement apply to shellac only
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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 05:12 AM »
DD,

People the world over have had success with tack cloths,

at least that is what the tack cloth people will tell you.

However, in most cases in chasing the perfect finish tack cloths will do more harm then good.

They are made with a non drying resin /varnish and no matter what it is non drying.

Why do you think they call it tacky? In variably some of this stuff gets left on your surface.

Come on we have all seen the CSI/forcenics crap on TV.  Well, there is transfer, and if you are working with varnish,

microscopic never dry varnish underneath your product just isn't going to work out.

As a side note to you W/B folks this is triply true in our case.

It is our opinion that all store bought tack cloths being good for finishing is a myth.

Unless of course you are spraying krylon ;D

Per

This is just our opinon folks, you of course are entitled to your own.

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2008, 05:57 AM »
per, the lamp hath lit in my head   ::)
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Offline Steve Jones

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 07:57 AM »
I get better results with a good quality damp shop-rag (I'm using mostly water based finishes)
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Offline Ken

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 08:43 AM »
Hey guys, thanks a lot for your valuable input. The reason I posted this question in the first place was because I had a reluctance to do this job for 2 reasons:

1. the owner is more concerned about speed of completion/cost than about quality/result.
2. restaurant would remain open with all the "rummies" rumming about, which would greatly hinder the process.

It seems as the owner expects something like a one day/overnight job (enter the cowboy). I didn't see how it could be done in less than 3 days minimum and not be used as a bar. It seems like my thoughts were validated.

Maybe I should just pass on this job because I am afraid that if I do the bar the following could happen:

1. I will not be able to do it properly because the owner wants it yesterday. I don't like rushing and I will Not do a crap job just to have it "done". Anyway, like DD said "the owner won't accept crap in the front of shop"

2. I will grossly underestimate the hours and/or my labor wage. Heck, I don't even know what my hourly wage should be for this. 40-50+?

So my best bet is probably do some research and find out what the going rates are and what others would charge for a job like this. I am 100% confident that I could fabulous job on the bar, however I don't want to  risk doing a subpar job or spending double the hours I estimated.

Once again thank you Jaegerhund, DD and Per

Ken
« Last Edit: July 28, 2008, 12:57 PM by Ken »

Offline Steve Jones

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2008, 08:55 AM »
Ken,

My usual method for turning down a job that's possible but probably shouldn't be attempted is to price it so that if the customer does decide to take the offer I'm well compensated for my efforts, in a case like yours I'd also inflate the time requirements.
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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2008, 09:26 AM »
i know you are wary about this job. heres some other reasons

his lawyers ABSOLUTLY WILL chase your insurance if he looses his takings because you arnt finished

even if he is at fault

say he doesnt close his bar at the agreed time, or doesnt clear the decks. it happens all too often

you do need a mate on a job like this for running around and doing odd things



you cannot afford to run out of materials or have a tool breakdown (at least thats low risk with festool) on a shopfitting job, you cant buy or hire at 1 in the morning

they want you to take on high risk?  they get to pay very high cost



this guy wants cheap and has it in his head that it will take 12 hours

let the cowboy who put that timescale in his head take it

there is other work out there



dont buy high risk jobs from cheapskates

and dont undercut cowboys, they ride a bigger range to avoid unhappy customers
« Last Edit: July 28, 2008, 09:54 AM by dirtydeeds »
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Offline minimal

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2008, 09:30 AM »
Here's my strategy for such things, as they happen in my business:

Tell him it's not possible to do a good job in those constraints, and that he should go with the "cowboy".

Also tell him that, after the cowboy's done, what it will cost in time and $ for you to fix it.


(From the estimates you give above, I'd say *double them*.)

Some clients aren't worth it, no matter what the pay involved.


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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2008, 09:45 AM »
Here is the really important thing to consider when doing public finishes.

Don't really matter what the client say's.

It is those customers who look at your work every day that will make or break a reputation.

So, a couple a bucks now as compared to "Jeez this guy is good" for the next 10 years...you decide.

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Offline Ken

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2008, 10:07 AM »
You guys Rock!!!

So I'm thinking in the $1400 ($40/hr x 35hrs) + materials ballpark?? Like I've said b4, I'm not a pro, I can only aspire to do the work the Swenson's can do on a bar! I know I will be cheaper than most real finishers, however I don't want to sell myself like some kind of junkie looking for a quick fix.

I think minimal has the strategy. give the estimate at $1600, wait for the owner to look at me like I'm nuts and then tell him that in 6 months when his bar needs to be refinished again it's gonna cost him $1800 to fix the mistakes done by cowboy.

Does this sound about right? or I am missing some points or still lowballing?

Ken

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2008, 10:25 AM »
im sure some of the guys here like country and western as well    ::)






ne nah, ne nah......................

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dd                                 "oh bugger its the mdf cops again"  ::)

swat team                    "hut, hut, hut"

dd                                 "this is a jcb .................  not a hut"
 
swat team leader         "stop digging immediatly"

dd                                 "i like my jcb"

swat team leader          "raise the bucket, and step away from the excavator"

dd                                  "what for"
                                      " im digging a BIG hole for myself"

swat team                       "CLICK"

dd                                   "whats that"     

swat team leader            "son, thats the safety catch off 500 guns and 3 rocket launchers"

dd                                    "why the 3 rocket launchers"

swat team leader             "thats all we could get from home depot"

dd                                     "how can i be of service to you gentlemen  :)  "

swat team leader             "stop talking about country and western, we arnt all cowboys"
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Offline Scott W.

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2008, 10:25 AM »
Interesting topic

I just did one a month or so back for a friend. He had two bars and was able to close it off while I worked on it.

I'm guessing it took around 60 hours of labor (bar was 50 ft). over a period of 2 weeks to allow for dry time between coats.
This does not count final polish which will be coming up in the next week or so.

It is a big job to do it "right" and it can NOT be rushed or the results you want won't be there in the end.

Per is right, a lot of people will see it for a long time. I guess it depends on the bar as to weather the "right clients" you are looking for see it :)

I have already had three request for furniture and built in's from doing this job. (all of which I passed on because this is a hobby for me not an income source).

If they won't pay you to do it right, If you won't be proud to put your name on the results, walk away.
It will cost you in the end.

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Offline rwdawson

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2008, 10:40 AM »
Ken,

I find the $200 estimate to correct the cowboy's mistakes a little troubling.  Not being a finisher and having minimal experience in this subject, I can't say what can go wrong with his work.  But, what bothers me is that $200 dollars covers time and material for an unknown problem which might be of the same scale as the original project.  You could really screw yourself.

It might be prudent to look at this as two jobs.  The first, which will require a new bid, will correct as yet unknown problems introduced by the cowboy.  The second will be the job, which you think might be $1400.

You asked what at first appeared to be a simple question.  It has resulted in one of the more informative threads on this forum.  Thanks for that contribution.  And, thanks to the others for the great answers.

Richard

Offline Dan Rush

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2008, 11:27 AM »
Run away, run away now!!!   OK, I'm finished being cute.

But I have learned to trust my gut, and although only you know the customer, it sounds as if the butterflies are all a flutter in your tummy right now too.  I've been in this game for a while also.  Not finishing like Per, but installing casework and such in open working businesses. A couple of thoughts if I may...

REALLY do take the hours you estimate the job to take and add half or better yet DOUBLE them.  I'm not being flip here.  You need to take into account for: set up and tear down each work shift.  nosey customers (as noted above)  Additional tarping or protection to keep folks out and off your work. Odd work hours.  What are the odds of getting tagged by a union or city inspector?  What happens if the unthinkable happens and the job/ bar ARE shut down?  Insurance? 

I'm not in New York, but in Chicago (NY must be more expensive than here)  Your pricing sounds too low.

Try to remember, you aren't really competing against the cowboy, but other top notch outfits like Per, etc.   

Just a couple of thoughts, Dan


Offline Justin F.

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2008, 11:37 AM »
After working in a bar for a while, I think you should add more for having to tolerate the rummies --- (this ain't gonna be no at home listening to sounds of the humpback whale, sipping tee experience  ;)).    Your figures look a little low for me (what do I know) --- at least your hours might be on the slight ---- and if your charges look a little low for a Louisiana boy, well that's a tattletale for something (t'is a slight storm on the horizon).

Later,


Justin
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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2008, 12:15 PM »
  I agree with Dan, I view it as labor and then double for overhead; i.e. insurance taxes, tarps etc. I'm off today and that's O.K. much better than underbidding. Well not really off, just pursuing other interests.
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Offline Steve Jones

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2008, 01:01 PM »
last two comments are very astute, I do custom work all the time and my one downfall is constantly failing to allow enough time in my estimates, these things always take longer than you expect or they should.

The trick is to charge enough so you can do the customer an excellent job, better to not do it at all than to run out of time and or money, that way leads to disappointing yourself and the customer.
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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2008, 01:09 PM »
steve

im sort of in the same boat as you

boy is custom / bespoke work difficult to judge

with a quote that essentially tells them that it will take 5 hours just to strip the outside face of a six panel door to the bone

BEFORE you apply varnish coat one. its a shock

dd



ps............   i never tell them in a quote how long any one single operation takes or how long the whole job will take

they only get to know the total possible duration after they have accepted and ONLY if they ask




a quote is a quote (you take the risk)

an estimate is an estimate and (and ultimatly you, as well)

end take the risk........................   an estimate that goes BADLY over budget tends to fall at your door

 
« Last Edit: July 28, 2008, 01:20 PM by dirtydeeds »
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Offline poto

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2008, 01:12 PM »
Understimating the amount of time a project will take is a common mistake of anyone embarking on a project for the first time. In my field (science) I let the students estimate how long they think their experiment (or whatever) will take, and then multiply that estimate by about 5 to get the real time. It's quite proven quite accurate over the years, and I think that it probably applies in this situation. So if you take the original guess (12 hours) and multiply by 5 (60 hours) you get pretty close to the other estimates by more experienced people.

I've also found that estimating your costs and then multiplying by at least 2 will not leave you with much play money at the end of it all. There are a lot of hidden costs that will add up.

People also have a natural tendency to assume that if you charge a lot, you must be good. So don't underbid. If you overbid and they reject it, you may have dodged a bullet. If they accept it, you might make a decent wage.

Offline Ken

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2008, 01:50 PM »
Decision made.....

After receiving everyone's extremely valuable input, I have decided not to bid on this project right now based upon the following facts:

1.Owner expectations of time, cost and resulting finish can not realistically be met.

2."Cowboy Contractor" is willing to do it for an insanely low price and most likely an insanely low quality end result...time will tell.

3. I do not want my name on something that looks like crap or starts falling apart simply because I rushed it and cut corners. I frequent this place on occasion and would be forced to see my mistake over and over again, not to mention comments from others like "hey ken, why is the bar peeling like that?"

4. Final and most importantly. I learned long ago that I should always trust my gut, my gut says "NO GO". Way too much risk for the possible reward. Thank you Dan for reminding me of that.

I will speak to the owner today and inform him that this project can not be completed by me at this time, due to prior commitments. I will let cowboy do it and in 6 months from now if the bar needs refinishing I will be able to give a much better informed estimate on the time and cost (and have more leverage). I have a feeling that after 6 months pass, the owner will have a different viewpoint and expectations.

In the meantime I will continue to practice my woodworking skills on completing a built-in desk using my growing Festool arsenal. As I've said before, this is more of a hobby for me and is suppose to be enjoyable even if there are times when it's challenging.

Thank you all so much for the input...

Ken



Offline Justin F.

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2008, 02:12 PM »
I'm happy you came to a quick decision Ken, and one you feel happy with.  The gut is a powerful indicator --- you are wise to heed its warnings.  I think if the owner doesn't mind his present contractor, then he wouldn't understand your price, time, etc. 

As the great philosopher Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull once said " nothing's easy" and any one who leads you to believe otherwise is suspect  ;).

Justin
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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2008, 02:21 PM »
ken

you have come to the desison by yourself with reasoned argument, that is important

ok, so you needed a little help to come to it. so what

you clearly had a feeling that something wasnt quite right, and you had the guts and foresight to ask

that is a man talking



i too have learned some stuff from our esteemed collegues, Per and Bob Swenson

my remaining tack cloths just got binned

dd
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Offline Dan Rush

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2008, 03:01 PM »
Ken, 

Now you can complete your desk and have some fun.  Congrats!

Many years ago I was in a similar situation and talked to my pops about it.  He wasn't in the trades, but business is business and he's a pretty bright guy. 

Like you, I had to come up with a quick quote, not much experience with some parts of the job etc.  His advise after I decided to pass was this: 

" now that the pressure is off, study, really study the job and all possible pitfalls, losses, and profits.  Put together a private quote and be ready the next time a job like this comes up ahead"   

Advise that I'm glad to say has helped me more often than not.

Dan

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2008, 03:30 PM »
Ken, If you change your mind or if he calls you in the future you have two options.

Option #1 Strip the bar sand and seal, then put on a coat of Behlens
The bar can be used the next day. Come in the next night wash the bar making sure
that you remove coke or any sugar like soda.  Sand with 220 and varnish again.
Make sure the place is warm. I don't think the diners would  put up with the smell if you did
it in the day time. Do it every night until you are happy, then polish it.

Option # 2   You can finish it with epoxy in one day.

If you look at the pictures that Per posted  you will see me chasing bubbles
in the epoxy  with a heat gun.  The elk that I carved   is set 5/8?"in to the bar so
to bring the level up to the top it was necessary to continue the pore over the entire bar
This was our first time using this method. You can leave it as is but if the sun is going
to hit it you need to over coat with varnish. I added three coats of Behlens on the epoxy and then
polished the bar..

Option #1 is your best bet. Charge a mint.

Bob (Per's coach) 

Keep us posted
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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2008, 03:09 AM »
Well, well , well. Looks like we got ourselves a little finishing showdown.......

Tack cloths at twenty paces gentlemen.  :P

Do a review Per! I'll wager an FS-KS systainer insert (wiped out with a dry cloth) that you reverse your position. JLyman has an air of confidence about him.

Mr. Lyman, would you provide the ammunition?  :D
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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2008, 04:10 AM »
ive a horrible feeling there are going to be lots of very poor jokes before too long
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Offline Per Swenson

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2008, 06:02 AM »
Mr Lyman,

I apologize for my shot gun approach in disparaging tack cloths.

I should know better.

Although wood finishing is a different medium then automotive, as the surface is initially porous

and is prone to collecting contaminate. Your Crystal cloth looks promising.

Consider this a correction.

Per

Party like its 1929. It's the American way.


There outta be a law banning sesquipedalianism on

internet forums.

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2008, 07:32 AM »
I really shouldn't stir the pot so much..... ;D
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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2008, 08:09 AM »
Welcome to the FOG jlyman'

Thanks for putting that young whipper snapper in his place.

Bob   ;D

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2008, 09:54 AM »
Welcome to the FOG jlyman'

Thanks for putting that young whipper snapper in his place.

Bob   ;D

From me too, I'm sure I'll learn something interesting at your site but I've already gathered a couple of smiles at some of the terms I noticed. Just the title of a thread, "Tack cloth technology" is funny, although I can't think of a more rational way to title that thread. And the idea of getting my tack clothes "serviced" is funny too.

Offline Ken

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2008, 09:55 AM »
I spoke with the owner yesterday and gave him an estimate of $3000, doubtful that he will bite. Saw the cowboy come in with his posse to do some painting. Cowboy had his interpreter (he speaks Chinese) talk with the owner on what I assume was the bar.

My bet is that he'll go w/ cowboy who will do it with either minwax poly or spar varnish. Either way, 6 months from now it'll be destroyed.

Interesting note which I forgot to mention before, I was asked what type of finish I would put on by owner. I just said "there are several types of commercial grade finishes available, I can't decide until I get down to the wood". Hey, I'm not the brightest guy in the world  but I'm smart enough not to give him my whole finishing/materials schedule! Besides, cowboy doesn't have the time to spend sanding/polishing it with his dewalt 5" sander...shoulda gotta Festool!

Again, I am deeply grateful for all the invaluable input. I am especially honored to have the great Bob Swenson offer his advice!

Ken


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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2008, 11:49 AM »
Gee Ken, Thanks
Bob

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 11:37 PM »
Please, clutter away.  While not all of us are planning to refinish any bars in the big city, it may come in handy down the line on other projects that people here can scheme up. :)

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Re: How much to charge for bar refinishing in NYC?
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2008, 05:25 AM »
I started a new thread for you JLyman. Post there. No worries about clutter. Please share some specifics about cloth formulation for wood finishing/refinishing (although we have other trades around)

http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=4721.0
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