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Offline roblg3

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2015, 08:40 AM »
I use fuji minimite 3.  Im a total novice.  I got this finish with very little practice.
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Offline crsowa

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2015, 12:56 PM »
The Fuji minimite has lived up to the hype for the first few months, although it has only been used a few times. I do not find it overly loud either...maybe it's just because I'm used to being around big, loud woodworking machines and have earmuffs on...  I did buy the 3m PPS system and adapter and find it so much easier to clean the system, compared to the stock cup and filtering system.  The true test will be in the spring when I spray latex paint on my new cupboards and cabinets that I have been refacing. But, so far, so good!  I recommend it!
Chris

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Offline Grasshopper

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2015, 02:14 PM »
Thanks for the posts in favor of the Minimite.  I purchased a Wagner HVLP from Amazon based on rave reviews (thinking about spraying trim outside), but as I approach doing some built-ins, I'm not sure I want to risk it with a $100 sprayer.  here is the one I have still sitting in the box: http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0518080-Control-Spray-Sprayer/dp/B003PGQI48/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1426183874&sr=1-1&keywords=wagner+hvlp)

I'm curious how the Minimite stacks up from the pro's point of view (or I suppose the Wagner for that matter)

I'd just hate to use $5,000+ worth of festools to make sure my built ins look awesome, only to bring the piece down a notch at the final stage (the stage on display for all to see).  Why go to the trouble of making awesome screw free joints if the end result is orange peel, or other "blemishes").  I see a lot of white paint spraying in my near future for my own personal home based projects (trim, window seats, built ins, fireplace surround, smaller furniture, etc.)

I'm a hobbyist, so I don't think I can justify a large compressor system (nor would likely have the expertise to appreciate the difference).  If the Minimite is the right fit (or the Wagner I still have in the box for that matter), it would be good to know.  If there is another option that is even a better fit, I'm all ears there as well.

If I have to dig into my wallet further (without going too crazy of course) I am willing to do so for this critical step as long as it makes the right difference.  (in other words, if the difference between my $100 sprayer to the Minimite (or from the Minimite to something more robust) is marginal, I can decide for the "occasional" household hobby project.

I appreciate the feedback thus far and look forward to your direction.
Aspiring DIY'er (hence the name "grasshopper" as I am looking to learn from all the masters on the FOG)- TS 55, OF 1400, MFT/3, VS600 Dovetail Jig, MFS700+ MFS2000 extension profiles, Kapex, Kapex UG set, T12 Li set(x2), CT22, Domino, Carvex, RO90, RO150, MFK700, CMS-VL, Qwas super pack & Cool Wife.

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2015, 03:35 PM »
If there is another option that is even a better fit, I'm all ears there as well.

There is nothing wrong with a high quality coating and a good brush.

I like Fuji and would recommend them to anyone who really wants to spray, but getting great results is less about the machine and more experience with the coatings, mil thickness, temperature, ventilation etc.

I think for the occasional hobbyist, spraying maybe more of investment in dollars and time than they bargain for.
You can go nuts trying to create a "clean" room etc. to accomplish a finish that ultimately you may be as happy if you just applied it with a brush.

 
Tim

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2015, 12:26 AM »
Thanks tim.

If there is another option that is even a better fit, I'm all ears there as well.

There is nothing wrong with a high quality coating and a good brush.

I like Fuji and would recommend them to anyone who really wants to spray, but getting great results is less about the machine and more experience with the coatings, mil thickness, temperature, ventilation etc.

I think for the occasional hobbyist, spraying maybe more of investment in dollars and time than they bargain for.
You can go nuts trying to create a "clean" room etc. to accomplish a finish that ultimately you may be as happy if you just applied it with a brush.

 
Tim
Aspiring DIY'er (hence the name "grasshopper" as I am looking to learn from all the masters on the FOG)- TS 55, OF 1400, MFT/3, VS600 Dovetail Jig, MFS700+ MFS2000 extension profiles, Kapex, Kapex UG set, T12 Li set(x2), CT22, Domino, Carvex, RO90, RO150, MFK700, CMS-VL, Qwas super pack & Cool Wife.

Offline crsowa

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2015, 10:48 AM »
If there is another option that is even a better fit, I'm all ears there as well.

There is nothing wrong with a high quality coating and a good brush.

I like Fuji and would recommend them to anyone who really wants to spray, but getting great results is less about the machine and more experience with the coatings, mil thickness, temperature, ventilation etc.

I think for the occasional hobbyist, spraying maybe more of investment in dollars and time than they bargain for.
You can go nuts trying to create a "clean" room etc. to accomplish a finish that ultimately you may be as happy if you just applied it with a brush.

 
Tim

Agreed.  For most of my work, I'm either brushing or wiping it on.  The sprayer just makes quicker work of some of the larger jobs.
Chris

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Offline Grasshopper

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2015, 12:03 PM »
My wallet thanks this thread :).

What would be the best way to get an even coat(s) of white on say birch ply or similar white painted project?  I want to make some built ins that i will plan to paint white.  If I can paint with brush, roller, or wipe without brush stokes that would seem to be the way to go.
Aspiring DIY'er (hence the name "grasshopper" as I am looking to learn from all the masters on the FOG)- TS 55, OF 1400, MFT/3, VS600 Dovetail Jig, MFS700+ MFS2000 extension profiles, Kapex, Kapex UG set, T12 Li set(x2), CT22, Domino, Carvex, RO90, RO150, MFK700, CMS-VL, Qwas super pack & Cool Wife.

Offline brewster201

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2015, 07:36 AM »
Hello I use the Fuji Super series 4 stage unit with a Fuji gravity XPC gun/ 3m PPS setup

I would never dream of spraying latex paint and use exclusively Sher-Wood Kem Aqua WB Lacquer and M.L.Campbell Aqualente WB stain blocking primer on Kitchen doors

I will be trying out the M.L.Campbell Aqualente WB Lacquer soon as they colour match to the Benjamin Moore colour charts

Using a 1.4MM needle and HS cap for the primer and 1.3 MM for the top coat Lacquer

Once you use WB lacquers you never would want to spray latex, just a beautiful factory look finish that latex can't match

No thinning required, use the 3M PPS setup to eliminate micro bubbles in the finish

30 min dry/ recoat time depending on humidity and temperature

Hope this helps out

Bruce [smile]


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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2015, 08:25 AM »
What would be the best way to get an even coat(s) of white on say birch ply or similar white painted project?

What paint are you using or have you chosen?
My first thought would be to pick a brush or brushs that will work to get the finish you want. See Scott Burt's primer on brushes. You will have to do some test pieces to find out what works for you. I like the higher quality SW paints.

Offline Grasshopper

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2015, 09:34 AM »
I haven't selected a paint or brush. It will all be new to me so I'm all ears. Thanks for the suggestions!

What would be the best way to get an even coat(s) of white on say birch ply or similar white painted project?

What paint are you using or have you chosen?
My first thought would be to pick a brush or brushs that will work to get the finish you want. See Scott Burt's primer on brushes. You will have to do some test pieces to find out what works for you. I like the higher quality SW paints.
Aspiring DIY'er (hence the name "grasshopper" as I am looking to learn from all the masters on the FOG)- TS 55, OF 1400, MFT/3, VS600 Dovetail Jig, MFS700+ MFS2000 extension profiles, Kapex, Kapex UG set, T12 Li set(x2), CT22, Domino, Carvex, RO90, RO150, MFK700, CMS-VL, Qwas super pack & Cool Wife.

Offline Paul G

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2015, 10:13 AM »
I've had good results on cabinets using General Finishes milk paint topped with their enduro clear poly. Used both air assisted airless and HVLP
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2015, 11:34 AM »
I haven't selected a paint or brush. It will all be new to me so I'm all ears. Thanks for the suggestions!

Scott Burt has been very kind to share his knowledge here and on his site, so I would definitely check out what he and the community that posts there have to say.
This entry on water borne trim paint and the discussion is very good. As is stated BM Advance or BM satin impervo 314 are good products.
Tim

Offline Grasshopper

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2015, 11:37 AM »
Awesome advice. Thanks all!
Aspiring DIY'er (hence the name "grasshopper" as I am looking to learn from all the masters on the FOG)- TS 55, OF 1400, MFT/3, VS600 Dovetail Jig, MFS700+ MFS2000 extension profiles, Kapex, Kapex UG set, T12 Li set(x2), CT22, Domino, Carvex, RO90, RO150, MFK700, CMS-VL, Qwas super pack & Cool Wife.

Offline Srbrownjr175

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2015, 10:45 PM »
What's the best (most comfortable) gun style for Gravity or bottom feed? Mostly used for built ins.

Steve

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2015, 11:29 PM »
If I had To choose just one, Gravity with PPS.
Tim

Offline Srbrownjr175

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2015, 11:33 PM »
Thanks Tim I'm looking at the FUJI Semi-pro 2.

Offline sgt_rjp

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2015, 09:59 PM »
I had written off the semi-pro model since it was only 2 stage and had chosen the mini-mite3 and even thought about the Q4.  But now I'm back to the semi-pro.  I've seen a review that says that it can even handle latex paint.  It's interesting that it quotes a 1400w motor and even CFM rating but none of the other do.  I'm sure it's not the quality that the others are, and I'm sure the others are excellent sprayers, but I'm thinking that the semi-pro model may just be what this DIY guy needs.  Well, this and PPS :)

Offline BPCFinishing

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2015, 10:29 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/High-Pressure-Gravity-Feed-Spray/dp/B004SQS68U/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1427768543&sr=8-7&keywords=hvlp+sprayer  I use this with excellent results.  Just run it using my bostitch 5 gal compressor and once the settings are dialed in I can spray continuously without losing pressure (yes compressor will run but pressure stays at a level that doesn't effect the tool pressure).  If you have a 5gal+ compressor right now this is a great option.  Here's a sample of a door with some SW Kem aqua+ sprayed on. 217410-0
Ts55, ct26, ro90, rts400, of1400, df500, cxs, mft, ....to be continued

Offline sgt_rjp

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2015, 06:39 PM »
Looks good, but I'd need a new compressor and then have to worry about filtering and drying the air.  I've read a lot about that gun though, and it looks great for the price.  I think you can even convert it to PPS.

Offline brewster201

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2015, 11:41 AM »
Hello I use the Agualente Precat WB pigmented topcoat lacquer and Sher-Wood Kem Aqua Pigment Lacquer
 Aqualente stain-blocking water Borne primer
The spray guns I use are the Apollo 7500 pressurized gravity and Fuji XPC pressurized gravity setup with 3m PPS, I have used the clear and blue lids with WB lacquer and primer with no issues, maybe I should just use the blue lids now
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Offline Allyson

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2015, 11:48 AM »
Thanks for the posts in favor of the Minimite.  I purchased a Wagner HVLP from Amazon based on rave reviews (thinking about spraying trim outside), but as I approach doing some built-ins, I'm not sure I want to risk it with a $100 sprayer.  here is the one I have still sitting in the box: http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0518080-Control-Spray-Sprayer/dp/B003PGQI48/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1426183874&sr=1-1&keywords=wagner+hvlp)

I'm curious how the Minimite stacks up from the pro's point of view (or I suppose the Wagner for that matter)
Why don't you consider having a professional finisher do your finishing work?  Many of us specialize in bringing someone's gorgeous woodwork to life.  There are exceptional finishers in all areas, and it's worth it...we have the equipment and expertise to do that work, while you have the equipment and talent to do what you do.  You are right about finishing -- if it's not your expertise, doing it could lessen the overall look of your work.

I'd just hate to use $5,000+ worth of festools to make sure my built ins look awesome, only to bring the piece down a notch at the final stage (the stage on display for all to see).  Why go to the trouble of making awesome screw free joints if the end result is orange peel, or other "blemishes").  I see a lot of white paint spraying in my near future for my own personal home based projects (trim, window seats, built ins, fireplace surround, smaller furniture, etc.)

I'm a hobbyist, so I don't think I can justify a large compressor system (nor would likely have the expertise to appreciate the difference).  If the Minimite is the right fit (or the Wagner I still have in the box for that matter), it would be good to know.  If there is another option that is even a better fit, I'm all ears there as well.

If I have to dig into my wallet further (without going too crazy of course) I am willing to do so for this critical step as long as it makes the right difference.  (in other words, if the difference between my $100 sprayer to the Minimite (or from the Minimite to something more robust) is marginal, I can decide for the "occasional" household hobby project.

I appreciate the feedback thus far and look forward to your direction.

Offline brewster201

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2015, 12:19 PM »
Hello I personally wouldn't any go near the Wagner, I would suggest spending your money wisely and go with the Fuji Mini-Mite T series 3 or 4 stage depending what your spraying. The Fuji T series pressure gravity feed gun is a great spray gun included in the kit
Using 1.4mm cap set spraying WB pigmented topcoat lacquers for the perfect finish

Bruce
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Offline alexander

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2015, 10:57 AM »
Hi,

I'm jumping in the topic.

I'm looking to get in the HVLP paint system too. I plan to paint all kind of furnitures and built-ins, and occasionally my old truck. The price where I live are kind of way expensive... so I will get it from UK where they have good packages. I'm looking into the Fuji Mini-Mite 4 with a T70 spray gun. A guess I will take the gravity gun for a start. For the air caps, the gun comes with a 1.3mm. Should I take some other air caps? what are the most used ones? I would prefer to order them with the package, instead to have to order them after and pay some shipping as expensive as the air cap.

I was wondering, can we paint some walls with such a system, like the Wagner systems? I guess for that it would be better to go with the pressure pot + suction gun, since the capacity of paint is too small for a gravity gun.

Thanks for any input.

Alex


Offline brewster201

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2015, 11:44 AM »
Hello Alex I would also purchase the extra Air Cap Set 1.5mm but it always depends what product you would be spraying.

For my setup I use a 1.5 mm Air Cap Set/3M PPS for spraying kitchen doors and cabinets using WB pigmented Lacquer.

I really would not use the Fuji to spray walls but would look into an airless set

Bruce
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Offline alexander

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2015, 12:10 PM »
Thank you, for your input.

I just looked at the 3M PPS system seems quite interesting. For the Fuji T70 gravity gun it seems I would need the #18 PPS adapter. Is that right?

Thanks Alex

Offline Allyson

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2015, 03:43 PM »
I use the gravity PPS system.  I use a couple of different sizes.  I love the system, and re-use the inserts and caps (for water-based products) several times.  They are great if you need to store product for a bit.  You can just put a cap on the PPS cup and save. 

There are good lists online that denote the adaptors that go with specific guns and whether it's a gravity or bottom-feed gun.

Offline brewster201

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2015, 04:53 PM »
Hello I use the Fuji XPC and Apollo 7500 spray gun. What I like about the Apollo gun is that you can se as a pressure bottom feed or pressure gravity feed to suit your spray preferences.
The T75  pressure gravity gun uses a #2
My friend really enjoys this gun, it came out after I purchased my Fuji Super 4


Bruce
« Last Edit: May 06, 2015, 07:33 PM by brewster201 »
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2015, 05:13 PM »
For the Fuji T70 gravity gun it seems I would need the #18 PPS adapter. Is that right?

Yes. #18 PPS™ adapter

Offline brewster201

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2015, 07:28 PM »
 T-70 uses the #18 PPS adapter

T-75 gravity gun uses the #2 adapter
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Offline alexander

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Re: HVLP purchase help!
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2015, 07:01 AM »
Thanks guys for your input!

Now I just need to find where to get the 3M PPS around where I live or order it somewhere in Europe. If anyone has a good address... Being in small country has it disadvantages for shopping around.

Alex