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Offline usatu

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Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« on: January 27, 2017, 05:14 PM »
Hi-experts,

I am back with more finish questions :) I just don't feel confident that I can get a totally smooth finish on cabinets without any orange peels no matter how hard I tried.  I hope to find an alternative way to achieve it. Will it be ok to rub the finish with high grits like 5000 or 6000? I tried and get very smooth finish but lower sheen comparing with just sprayed finish. Can I apply paste wax or rub compound on it to restore sheen? Will that trap any greases or have any drawbacks?

Thanks so much! Really appreciate your help.

Best

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Online Holmz

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 07:32 PM »
Maybe some test pieces can be used to give you some insight?

I have actually painted 2 complete cars, and spraying is not easy. But I am not good at it.
It is easier with lacquer as one can sand between coats, compared to modern stuff.
Usually a person that does only spraying, is the one that does it well. It either takes a lot of practice, or one needs to decide to avoid it.
I ain't no mathematician but i have some negative and positive screwdrivers
I ain't no pilot but i have some planes.
I ain't no sucker but i have a vacuum.
And I has me some saws, and some sandpapers.

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 08:32 PM »
Will it be ok to rub the finish with high grits like 5000 or 6000?

I would suggest polyurethane. Much easier to rub than acrylic like Kem Aqua. The risk is exposing layers when rubbing or polishing an acrylic.

I tried and get very smooth finish but lower sheen comparing with just sprayed finish.
Did you try to wet sand with high grit 4000, 5000?

Can I apply paste wax or rub compound on it to restore sheen? Will that trap any greases or have any drawbacks?

You can try, I have only done it for very high sheen  with Menzerna Polishes. Jeff Jewit has written a good paper on rubbing out finishes
Tim

Offline usatu

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2017, 10:14 PM »
Tried today in the back of a draw but don't like the final result. With applying a little oil (I don't have anything on hand), it is too shiny.

Today I found that in the same door, some areas with spray totally smooth and even, some areas with orange peel. I am wondering whether it is caused by my poor sanding or my spraying skill. Any thoughts? Thanks
« Last Edit: January 28, 2017, 10:24 PM by usatu »

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2017, 10:47 PM »
Tried today in the back of a draw but don't like the final result. With applying a little oil (I don't have anything on hand), it is too shiny.

Today I found that in the same door, some areas with spray totally smooth and even, some areas with orange peel. I am wondering whether it is caused by my poor sanding or my spraying skill. Any thoughts? Thanks

Spraying skill.

Tom

Offline Randel

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2017, 10:59 PM »
Where are you located? I havee a local paint shop that does a piece for $12 ea. Im a actual painting contractor and I don't even spray out our own cabinets doors any more since we found shops that this is all they do.

Offline usatu

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2017, 09:30 AM »
Where are you located? I havee a local paint shop that does a piece for $12 ea. Im a actual painting contractor and I don't even spray out our own cabinets doors any more since we found shops that this is all they do.

I am in Philadelphia area. How would I find these information? Thanks

Offline usatu

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2017, 09:32 AM »
Tom- Can you pls elaborate on that? Thanks

Spraying skill.

Tom
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2017, 09:45 AM »
Spraying skill.

For me the limits of an online forum are such that I can't really offer any more suggestions as to how to get a better finish without being in front of you. I would suggest you find some spraying classes or instruction locally so you can understand how to apply a good finish and what to look for or have a professional do it for you.
Definitely practice, practice mistakes and more practice is how you get better. I learn something new everyday through this forum and others about paint and applying it.
Tim

Offline usatu

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2017, 09:50 AM »
Where to find information about spraying classes or instruction? Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Offline wptski

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2017, 10:37 AM »
Where to find information about spraying classes or instruction? Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Try your local Sherwin-Williams paint store.
Bill
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2017, 12:12 PM »
Where to find information about spraying classes or instruction? Any suggestions?

Search for spray finishing workshops in google. Many community colleges offer these types of classes so I would search the calendars of those in your area. Fuji did have one in 2016 in Toronto, so you could call and ask if there are any more scheduled.
Good luck.
Tim

Offline Scott Burt

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2017, 01:00 PM »
There is this as well:

https://paintertrainer.com/

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2017, 02:06 PM »
There is this as well:

https://paintertrainer.com/

Sorry @Scott Burt , would have mentioned it had I known these were ongoing. Comments on Google+ regarding your classes show up on the first page of my search but if they are not in there, expand your keyword list on you site and an article to include "spray finishing workshops".
tim
« Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 02:25 PM by Tim Raleigh »

Online Holmz

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2017, 04:49 PM »
Have you tried scotch bright on the surface to make it uniform ?
I ain't no mathematician but i have some negative and positive screwdrivers
I ain't no pilot but i have some planes.
I ain't no sucker but i have a vacuum.
And I has me some saws, and some sandpapers.

Offline usatu

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2017, 05:40 PM »
Have you tried scotch bright on the surface to make it uniform ?

Thank you. The grey one works well to sand the edge!

Online Holmz

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Re: Rub out satin sheen on kitchen cabinets
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2017, 09:00 PM »
Good thing it was recommended on the test panel first
I ain't no mathematician but i have some negative and positive screwdrivers
I ain't no pilot but i have some planes.
I ain't no sucker but i have a vacuum.
And I has me some saws, and some sandpapers.