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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Mistakes were made...by me.
« on: April 01, 2016, 12:24 AM »
Some examples of some crap I have done...

I cut veneered particle core door slabs too short, so I cut a section off an extra one I had with the TS55 joined one side with the Colins plywood bit and joined it to the short ones. I sanded and painted it. Joint completely disappeared.



I had my spray booth a little too warm and sprayed the Aqualente too thick and I got a nice crackle texture. Unfortunately the lovely crackle effect was not required. I sanded and repainted it.



I primed over a some epoxy filler I added to a gap in the veneer in this veneer core panel. You can just see the slightly darker area under the primer in this shot



After I sprayed my top coat of Agualente, I got this nice raised line. I dug out the filler, put some different filler in the gap, sanded and top coated.



Not using the right sander gets you some pig tails showing through your final coat. Should have used the Rotex or hand sanded not the ets.



Spraying Aqualente too thick is a receipt for some fisheye's. More sanding and a lighter pass fixed the problem.



Ya, this last one is just plain dumb. Touching paint while it's still wet. Never good.

« Last Edit: April 01, 2016, 10:53 AM by Tim Raleigh »

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Offline rnt80

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2016, 12:33 AM »
Hahaha.  I'd break the forum posting all the pictures of mistakes I've made.  You've got some good ones here.
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Offline bobfog

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2016, 12:42 AM »
I cut an inch off the top off a bathroom door, instead of the bottom when I was supposed to be trimming the bottom to accommodate a newly tiled floor.

Just remember the true definition of a professional isn't about not making mistakes, it's about hiding the evidence and fixing the -up before anyone else notices.

Offline Mikey f

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2016, 12:50 AM »
Mistakes only make you better. When started to spray i learned quickly a razer blade is my best sand paper! It works great to take out any unwanted texture.

Offline wptski

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2016, 07:56 AM »
This is what I have to look forward too?  [scared]

You know, I was going to post the question, if anyone uses a wet film gauge or do I need one!
« Last Edit: April 01, 2016, 08:52 AM by wptski »
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2016, 08:55 AM »
This is what I have to look forward too?  [scared]

You know, I was going to post the question, if anyone uses a wet film gauge or do I need one!

This is nothing, it gets too be much more interesting than this.

I use the wet film gauge when I use a product for the first time, if I change the alchemy, and to double check myself once in awhile.

I have my rep supply me with extras so I can give them away, PM me your address and I'll mail you one.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2016, 09:03 AM »
I've screwed up stain grade and repaired it.

Tom

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2016, 09:44 AM »
@tjbnwi Tom, thanks for posting this thread!  It's very helpful to me and I'm sure a lot of other people.

But I have to say that the stain grade fix is really amazing.  I can't find it at all in the final picture.  Well done!

Mike A.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2016, 09:46 AM »
Thanks. Sometimes I get lucky.

Tom

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2016, 10:45 AM »
I've screwed up stain grade and repaired it.

Ya, that definitely tops any of my mistakes  ;). Nice fix.
Tim

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2016, 10:47 AM »
When started to spray i learned quickly a razer blade is my best sand paper!

Ya, the razor blade does a great job but it wouldn't save any of these mistakes.
Tim
« Last Edit: April 01, 2016, 10:54 AM by Tim Raleigh »

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2016, 10:52 AM »
This is what I have to look forward too?  [scared]

Yes. "Skill is only developed by hours and hours and hours of beating on your craft." - Will Smith

You know, I was going to post the question, if anyone uses a wet film gauge or do I need one!

Yes, you need and need to use a wet film gauge. While it doesn't solve all problems it is a really good guide particularly when you are spraying a new coating.
Tim

Offline deepcreek

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2016, 10:53 AM »
Thanks. Sometimes I get lucky.

I'm still trying to figure out how you pulled off the grain match!
Joe Adams
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Online rst

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2016, 11:09 AM »
The only person that never made a mistake never did anything and the sign of a true craftsman is the ability to repair any SNAFU that occurs.

Offline wptski

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2016, 11:35 AM »

Yes, you need and need to use a wet film gauge. While it doesn't solve all problems it is a really good guide particularly when you are spraying a new coating.
I assume that you set up a test on scrap wood, etc. first?
Bill
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Offline bkharman

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Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2016, 01:06 PM »
I love it when you drill the Blum cups on the wrong side of the door you are building...



Easy enough fix/plug



After the first coat you can still see. 2 coats and it was all gone.



Cheers. Bryan.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2016, 01:10 PM by bkharman »
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2016, 01:54 PM »
Thanks. Sometimes I get lucky.

I'm still trying to figure out how you pulled off the grain match!

That was the lucky part---the drop off piece had not ended up in the fire pit.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2016, 02:01 PM »
Mistakes only make you better. When started to spray i learned quickly a razer blade is my best sand paper! It works great to take out any unwanted texture.

Take a single edge razor blade and draw it (once and only once) backwards over a piece of 1200 grit sand paper, gently bend the blade so the edge that was up is convexed. You now have a micro burr draw scraper to pull across the area of finish that needs correcting.

Look into paint nibs also.

I want to get the small thumb sander Festool markets across the pond, I used to have a pencil sander, can't find it.

Tom
« Last Edit: April 01, 2016, 02:10 PM by tjbnwi »

Offline bkharman

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2016, 04:19 PM »
Mistakes only make you better. When started to spray i learned quickly a razer blade is my best sand paper! It works great to take out any unwanted texture.

Take a single edge razor blade and draw it (once and only once) backwards over a piece of 1200 grit sand paper, gently bend the blade so the edge that was up is convexed. You now have a micro burr draw scraper to pull across the area of finish that needs correcting.

Look into paint nibs also.

I want to get the small thumb sander Festool markets across the pond, I used to have a pencil sander, can't find it.

Tom

Which "thumb sander" are you talking about Tom?  I have the pocket stick fix and it works well, but I have also been eyeing this bad boy for a while.  http://www.woodpeck.com/sandingdetailer.html

People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along?

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2016, 04:38 PM »
I have the Woodpecker detail sanders, they work well. I also have the Pocket Stick Fix and HGK(?).

Festool calls it a spot sander;

http://www.festool.com.au/WebRoot/Store/Shops/tooltechnic/MediaGallery/Guides/polishing/polishing_out_dust_nibs.pdf

Back when I did custom paints on automobiles there was a sander about the diameter of a pencil eraser. It took dots of Wet R Dry paper, you rolled it between your thumb and forefinger. Loved that thing.

I also have nib files and run blocks.

http://search.eastwood.com/search?w=nib%20file

All of the above I hope to never use------wishful thinking.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2016, 04:40 PM »

Yes, you need and need to use a wet film gauge. While it doesn't solve all problems it is a really good guide particularly when you are spraying a new coating.
I assume that you set up a test on scrap wood, etc. first?

Not me, I good at fixing my mistakes :)

Tom

Offline wptski

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2016, 06:47 PM »
Not me, I good at fixing my mistakes :)

Tom
Sometimes there isn't a scrap piece like on a refinish.
Bill
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2016, 11:52 AM »
I assume that you set up a test on scrap wood, etc. first?

Always, it's a good habit to get into and can help reveal and solve problems or issues that may crop up. I try to use the same tools (spray, brush etc.) that I would use in production. This isn't always possible as turnaround times for proposals get tight. For the gray panels for the kitchen I probably did 12-15 color samples alone. I did 2 final sprayed drawer front samples.
Here is a sample of cerused oak I am making for a project. It is the recent sample of probably a dozen to get to this point. I am trying to get the "blue cast" that is seen in natural light but not under warm (3000K) led. Almost there.


Offline wptski

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2016, 01:05 PM »

Always, it's a good habit to get into and can help reveal and solve problems or issues that may crop up. I try to use the same tools (spray, brush etc.) that I would use in production. This isn't always possible as turnaround times for proposals get tight. For the gray panels for the kitchen I probably did 12-15 color samples alone. I did 2 final sprayed drawer front samples.
Here is a sample of cerused oak I am making for a project. It is the recent sample of probably a dozen to get to this point. I am trying to get the "blue cast" that is seen in natural light but not under warm (3000K) led. Almost there.
What to do if it's a refinish job, where you might not have the same material to test on?  Look for a possible inconspicuous spot?  The first coat will soak in, seal and raise the grain.  What to do in that case?
« Last Edit: April 02, 2016, 01:10 PM by wptski »
Bill
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2016, 12:33 PM »
What to do if it's a refinish job, where you might not have the same material to test on?  Look for a possible inconspicuous spot?  The first coat will soak in, seal and raise the grain.  What to do in that case?

You can always test, sometimes you need to quote based on experience before testing but once you get the job there are always parts or areas that you are able to test on that are incospicuous or easily reversed.
Tim

Offline roblg3

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2016, 10:34 AM »
This is where I've got to these days. How much was the cost of a new door?  I've been able to fix most of my errors and I agree that teaches me how to be a better craftsman. Now I'm just at the point, when I cut something wrong, I just go buy a new one because my time is worth more to me than showing I can fix it...
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Offline #Tee

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Re: Mistakes were made...by me.
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2016, 12:22 PM »
ahahh nice thread...im not telling or showing my many mistakes! thats embarrassing [scared] [big grin]
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