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Offline brewster201

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2017, 08:31 PM »
With all respect Tom
Why would anyone want to mix, dilute and play around when you can spray with the real deal!
We ALL have tried the shortcuts and realize what works. This is a business not playtime

Bruce
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 09:05 PM »
With all respect Tom
Why would anyone want to mix, dilute and play around when you can spray with the real deal!
We ALL have tried the shortcuts and realize what works. This is a business not playtime

Bruce

Sometimes you can't get an exact color match with KA+. I have one of the best there is at matching at the finish store I use, there's times you have to go with paint and clear. Just went through it trying to have a BM color matched.

By the way, there is not a product I've run into that I can't spray straight---I have a unit that will spray block filler, Tuff Hide or Spary-Plast XP.  Putting the info out there for the ones that can't spray some of the heavier products without a little applied alchemy.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2017, 09:15 PM »
Tom
I spray 120 doors a week with Key Aqua Plus, Sherwin Williams matches it perfectly.
Just not trying to reinvent the wheel

Just trying to give GOOD advice

Bruce
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2017, 10:12 PM »
Tom
I spray 120 doors a week with Key Aqua Plus, Sherwin Williams matches it perfectly.
Just not trying to reinvent the wheel

Just trying to give GOOD advice

Bruce

Matches it to what?

I buy between 15-20 gallons of KA+ a month, clears and whites of various sheens. You'll find most of the guys who use KA or KA+ here is because I recommend it for the last 5-6 years. I field calls at least twice a week from people asking about settings, technique and application of the product.

The vast majority of times they can get the color dead on. About 2 weeks ago I need a couple gallons of KA+ tinted to BM Simply White. They couldn't get the hue just right. Had the issue with other BM colors. I attribute it to the titanium white concentration and the fact BM has 2 different gray colorants. Ended up with Advance topcoated with KA+ MRE.

As I said, have yet to run into a product I can't spray apply--by the way, I'm not a painter or a finisher--but I sure do a lot of it....

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 08:23 AM »
I have had good success just limiting the customer colour selections to the SW colour book. Using SW Kem Aqua plus on the doors and Pro Classic on the cabinets if they can't be sprayed. Been happy with there colour matches.
 
I recently purchased the Graco GX19 as a standalone Bin primer pump. I really don't want to spray shellac based Bin through the Kremlin. That could be a different post lol


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 09:03 AM »
I have had good success just limiting the customer colour selections to the SW colour book. Using SW Kem Aqua plus on the doors and Pro Classic on the cabinets if they can't be sprayed. Been happy with there colour matches.

Thanks

At times I don't have that option. The colors choices are made by others and I have to match them.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2017, 06:27 AM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom
Ah, you've played with this more?
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2017, 08:26 AM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom

I'm curious about this, @tjbnwi.   If I add polycryclic to an acrylic paint, what would be the effects, beyond reducing viscosity?  Would it affect leveling qualities?


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2017, 08:47 AM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom
Ah, you've played with this more?

Not a lot since I got a- AAA. It will shoot latex and acrylics without any problems.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2017, 08:50 AM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom

I'm curious about this, @tjbnwi.   If I add polycryclic to an acrylic paint, what would be the effects, beyond reducing viscosity?  Would it affect leveling qualities?

The paint does layout better. I noticed no affect on the paint film strength.

Tom

Offline JCLP

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2017, 09:28 AM »
Interesting thread.
If we all had access to the money tree in the backyard, spraying paint would not be an issue as all we would need to do is go out and purchase whatever technology we needed. But with most of us that is impossible. We need to make due with what we can afford.
Spraying paint is as much of a science as it is skill. Figuring out what air pressure, paint volume, needle size, viscosity, speed of movement of the spray gun across the surface, distance from the surface, environmental settings of the spray booth etc., is a long process and differs for whatever technology you are using. The values and settings are not directly transferable to each system. Whether you have a turbine HVLP, a compressor based HVLP, AAA system, using a pressure pot with a turbine or compressor or using 3M PPS whith HVLP gun, the process you determine for each system willbe different. For example.
Using a AAA system to spray Advance is a lot different then using a turbine HVLP. With the AAA system you can apply very thin coats, less then the required wet mils, and build up to the require final hickness. Trying to apply the same logic using a HVLP system doesn't work. Trust me I have experimented a lot. I found that using a large needle, 1.8-2.0mil, and thinning the paint approx 5% lays Advance down beautifully. If you apply it to thin, like AAA would with great results, you get a gritty surface. If you apply it to thick, you get orange peeling. This paint, Advance, does not like to much air. The less the better.

I would recommend that when someone responds to a thread like this we take into consideration what technology they are using compared to what the person who originally started thread has. Hearing someone say that I use this with this and it's the only way and everything else is crap, does not help anyone at all. I'm tired of being told, go out and buy this and it will solve your problem. I would rather have someone ask me what equipment I have, what paint I'm using and help me out with that. Tom, is really good with that and has help me out a lot.
I think as Foggers, we are here to help each other, especially when it comes to spraying, and not hear to tell people go out and spend your money because what you have is not adequate.

Any product can be sprayed with any spray technology, just some are easier then others. A little experimenting, or a lot, goes a long way.

My two cents,

JC

Offline brewster201

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2017, 02:28 PM »
Hello you made some very good points but really didn't want this post to fall off the tracks

Sometimes you might have to spray Advanced/Pro classic due to a issue.

I'm just suggesting if you can have choices in what you spray regardless of what setup try spraying something that was designed to be sprayed.
Pigmented Lacquer can be tinted most colours. We have gone over all the advantages many times, PL is 15% cheaper than advanced

If you have a chance spray a door/board with latex paint and the other with Pigmented Lacquer, there is amazing difference

Hope that helps
Thanks



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Offline brewster201

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2017, 06:28 PM »
Tom now that you are in the AAA pump world are you going to retire the Fuji turbine Hvlp?
Soft spray perfect results. Spray anything
« Last Edit: September 23, 2017, 06:39 PM by brewster201 »
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2017, 11:08 PM »
Tom now that you are in the AAA pump world are you going to retire the Fuji turbine Hvlp?
Soft spray perfect results. Spray anything

No.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2017, 08:24 AM »
One great take away I got from the experts on this thread was Tom's advice of using Krud Kutter degreaser.  It sure cleaned up these skuzzy pulls under the cooktop!




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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2017, 05:31 PM »
Placed the order for a Fuji Mini-Mite 4 with GXPC gun yesterday. Wanted to jump on the AcmeTools 15% off. Was $670 shipped. Now I need to figure out what Aircap sets to pick up and to figure out this 3M PPS system and what parts to get for that.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2017, 09:09 AM »
Placed the order for a Fuji Mini-Mite 4 with GXPC gun yesterday. Wanted to jump on the AcmeTools 15% off. Was $670 shipped. Now I need to figure out what Aircap sets to pick up and to figure out this 3M PPS system and what parts to get for that.

Congratulations on your purchase.  You will not regret it.  That's a great price on your sprayer too.  Don't forget to buy the whip hose. 
The friend who recommended the 3M PPS told me it adds another $100.  But the reality is it's closer to $250 all in.   You reminded me that when I was in the same boat as you, I ordered several incorrect items, including the adaptor.  If you pm me your email address, I'll send you a spreadsheet complete with links to all the correct items that I bought.  I tried to post but was denied permission.  Anyone else is welcome too.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2017, 09:21 AM by Jim Kirkpatrick »

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2017, 09:38 AM »
Placed the order for a Fuji Mini-Mite 4 with GXPC gun yesterday. Wanted to jump on the AcmeTools 15% off. Was $670 shipped. Now I need to figure out what Aircap sets to pick up and to figure out this 3M PPS system and what parts to get for that.

Congratulations on your purchase.  You will not regret it.  That's a great price on your sprayer too.  Don't forget to buy the whip hose. 
The friend who recommended the 3M PPS told me it adds another $100.  But the reality is it's closer to $250 all in.   You reminded me that when I was in the same boat as you, I ordered several incorrect items, including the adaptor.  If you pm me your email address, I'll send you a spreadsheet complete with links to all the correct items that I bought.  I tried to post but was denied permission.  Anyone else is welcome too.

Ill have to find the whip hose, didnt know about that.

Fuji makes it easy to go with the PPS system now. They recommend this seller (LINK) who puts together kits for whatever router you want to go with their sprayers and the PPS system. $130 shipped for the Mini cup setup and $165 for the large. I just know yet if Ill need the 24oz cups vs the 6oz cups for what Ill be spraying. Probably nice to have both sizes available but Im leaning towards starting with the 6oz.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2017, 09:49 AM »
I don't use the whip hose. Broke way to many of them.

I've gone to this hose, no need for a whip.

https://www.amazon.com/25-Hose-HVLP-Turbine-Sprayer/dp/B00GAFE6LI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1507729727&sr=8-3&keywords=hvlp+turbine+hose

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2017, 11:13 AM »
Make sure you get the HO PPS cup or the pressurized model.  They only have the mini or 6oz, 3M said there never was a 8oz only 6oz and the large.  The large can't be tipped back for good balance because it hits the gun body. 3M PPS system link.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2017, 12:20 PM »
Make sure you get the HO PPS cup or the pressurized model.  They only have the mini or 6oz, 3M said there never was a 8oz only 6oz and the large.  The large can't be tipped back for good balance because it hits the gun body. 3M PPS system link.

Alright, so 6 oz setup first it is then.


Those recommending the whip hose: whats the improvement over the hose the Mini-Mite 4 comes with (the High Flex hose)? I found this chart (LINK) but I was looking for some real user advice.


And what about the short, high heat hoses some recommend coming out of the 4 and 5 stage turbines? Are those needed?


And lastly what Air Cap sets should I pick up if Im looking to use the sprayer for shellac, laquer, stains and latex (acrylic)?
« Last Edit: October 11, 2017, 12:25 PM by ben_r_ »
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Offline JCLP

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2017, 01:12 PM »
Make sure you get the HO PPS cup or the pressurized model.  They only have the mini or 6oz, 3M said there never was a 8oz only 6oz and the large.  The large can't be tipped back for good balance because it hits the gun body. 3M PPS system link.

Alright, so 6 oz setup first it is then.


Those recommending the whip hose: whats the improvement over the hose the Mini-Mite 4 comes with (the High Flex hose)? I found this chart (LINK) but I was looking for some real user advice.


And what about the short, high heat hoses some recommend coming out of the 4 and 5 stage turbines? Are those needed?


And lastly what Air Cap sets should I pick up if Im looking to use the sprayer for shellac, laquer, stains and latex (acrylic)?

Hi Ben,

I have the Q5 with the whip hose. It makes handling the gun easier as it is not as heavy or stiff as the main hose. Now, as for the main hose, try to purchase the turbine with Fuji's new hose. This is the one I have and it is thicker and includes the 3 foot heat hose. It is grey in color. I use to have the blue hose and tossed it out when I started using the grey hose. Here is a link to the better hose.

Super Duty hose

Cheers,
JC

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2017, 01:23 PM »
Make sure you get the HO PPS cup or the pressurized model.  They only have the mini or 6oz, 3M said there never was a 8oz only 6oz and the large.  The large can't be tipped back for good balance because it hits the gun body. 3M PPS system link.

Alright, so 6 oz setup first it is then.


Those recommending the whip hose: whats the improvement over the hose the Mini-Mite 4 comes with (the High Flex hose)? I found this chart (LINK) but I was looking for some real user advice.


And what about the short, high heat hoses some recommend coming out of the 4 and 5 stage turbines? Are those needed?


And lastly what Air Cap sets should I pick up if Im looking to use the sprayer for shellac, laquer, stains and latex (acrylic)?

Hi Ben,

I have the Q5 with the whip hose. It makes handling the gun easier as it is not as heavy or stiff as the main hose. Now, as for the main hose, try to purchase the turbine with Fuji's new hose. This is the one I have and it is thicker and includes the 3 foot heat hose. It is grey in color. I use to have the blue hose and tossed it out when I started using the grey hose. Here is a link to the better hose.

Super Duty hose

Cheers,
JC

Gotcha. I will contact AcmeTools and see if they can tell me which hose my Mini-Mite 4 will ship with?

If the High Flex hose is much nicer to work with, would it be better to order the 10ft one and add the 3ft High Heat hose and just use that combo?
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2017, 01:46 PM »
The lighter hose is easier on this feeble old man.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2017, 02:09 PM »
If you get the 5 stage, I don't know about the 4 stage, it does produce a lot of heat and the longer the hose the better. I actually have a whit hose attached to a 20' hose attached to the 30'grey hose. Thus having about 55' of hose. Air comes out cool at the gun. No loss of pressure.
Cheers,
JC

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2017, 02:19 PM »
If you get the 5 stage, I don't know about the 4 stage, it does produce a lot of heat and the longer the hose the better. I actually have a whit hose attached to a 20' hose attached to the 30'grey hose. Thus having about 55' of hose. Air comes out cool at the gun. No loss of pressure.
Cheers,
JC

Oh wow. Yea I dont even know what I would do with all that hose laying around. I wasnt thinking Id ever be anymore than 10ft away from the turbine when using the setup.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2017, 02:27 PM »
If you get the 5 stage, I don't know about the 4 stage, it does produce a lot of heat and the longer the hose the better. I actually have a whit hose attached to a 20' hose attached to the 30'grey hose. Thus having about 55' of hose. Air comes out cool at the gun. No loss of pressure.
Cheers,
JC

Oh wow. Yea I dont even know what I would do with all that hose laying around. I wasnt thinking Id ever be anymore than 10ft away from the turbine when using the setup.
10' feet is way too short. Your air will be too warm coming out of the gun. You're goal is to get the coolest air at the nozzle as possible.

JC

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2017, 02:31 PM »
If you get the 5 stage, I don't know about the 4 stage, it does produce a lot of heat and the longer the hose the better. I actually have a whit hose attached to a 20' hose attached to the 30'grey hose. Thus having about 55' of hose. Air comes out cool at the gun. No loss of pressure.
Cheers,
JC

Oh wow. Yea I dont even know what I would do with all that hose laying around. I wasnt thinking Id ever be anymore than 10ft away from the turbine when using the setup.
10' feet is way too short. Your air will be too warm coming out of the gun. You're goal is to get the coolest air at the nozzle as possible.

JC

You also want your turbine to be 15-20' away from your spray area to keep the air going into the turbine dust free

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2017, 02:33 PM »
I never had any issues with the MM4 and the 25' stock blue hose (plus the whip hose, essential to make the gun feel lighter and more maneuverable in your hands).  If you end up having issues with spraying something finicky and think it could be because the air is too warm, you could look at lengthening the hose.  Doubt it would be an issue on the 4 stage.  The extra 6ft of whip will probably give you all the cooling you'll need.

These are basically like really stiff garden hoses and kind of a pain to store, so I wouldn't obtain more hose unless you are having issues...

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2017, 02:46 PM »
If your new Mini-Mite comes with a blue hose, no need to spring $60-100 for a complete new hose.  The whip hose is only $35 and like others have said, makes the gun feel lighter and more maneuverable.  If you're doing any cabinet  painting, I think you'll be wishing you got the large cup.  Small cup would be good for spraying small jewelry boxes, tanning spray etc., I would like to have the small but am glad I went with the large.