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Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« on: September 16, 2017, 03:28 PM »
I just started Phase One of painting my kitchen cabinets.  I built them in '96 and painstakingly painted them by hand and vowed to never do it again.  About 8 years ago, when they first needed repainting, I hired a professional but was aghast by how much he charged me.  I didn't think his paint lasted as long as my first paint job, it's only 8 years later and they are filthy and worn.  I figured with the money I saved my doing it myself, I could justify the cost of a Fuji Mini-Mite 4 and I'm sure glad I did.

When I first painted them by hand, I would brush on one side, lay them out on a table to dry, turn it over to paint the other side.  With over 40 drawer fronts and doors, I can't tell you how long it took me.  Not to mention the horizontal real estate in my shop they consumed.

 I purchased my sprayer about a year ago and took this time to hone my technique and find the best paint combo before I would try painting my cabinets.  After several days of cleaning and sanding, I first sprayed BIN shellac based primer unthinned using the 1.3 tip.  After it dried I carefully hand sanded with 180 grit 3M sanding sponges.  Gave them a good vacuuming with my CT.  This morning, I applied the first of two coats of Ben Moore ADVANCE alkyd waterborne paint.  I added Floetrol and thinned with wiper fluid and sprayed with the larger 1.8 tip. 

I must say, even after only one coat, I couldn't be happier with the finish.  It's almost like an automotive finish, certainly the smoothest finish I've ever achieved.  I'm not even sure I need a second coat.
 
The other great thing I did was used cup hooks and coat hangers to spray and hang dry vertically.  I won't bother filling the holes created by the cup hooks, I located them on the bottom of the drawer fronts and base cabinet doors, on top for the upper doors.  They will be completely out of sight.  I can't take credit for this idea, I copied it from a friend and even borrowed his coat hangers.  Worked great!  Anyone out there thinking of doing the same, I have no regrets, do it!






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Offline mrFinpgh

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 04:18 PM »
That looks excellent - can't wait to  see the final product.  We have the same sprayer, and I hope I can get results like yours.  How much did you thin the Advance to shoot it through a 1.8 tip?




Offline ben_r_

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 04:28 PM »
Wow, that's pretty cool. Thinking I might pick up a Mini-Mite 4 this Black Friday.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 04:30 PM »
I know next to nothing about finishing, and even less about spraying,
but I would like to learn, so please explain the use of 'wiper fluid'.

I like your temporary spray booth, and I can feel for the time it took to
paint all those cabinet piece parts with a brush, because I have done the
same when I built a new island. I had no spray equipment and I knew that
'learning' on a project of this importance was not the way to go, so I chose
a method by which I knew I could get decent results, though no where near
as good as sprayed. They didn't turn out bad, but I would like to do better
next time.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 08:40 PM »
Glad it worked out for you
I would NEVER spray doors verticaly, just spray them horizontally and rack
They level out perfect! No one sprays door like that!
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Offline bkharman

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 11:08 PM »
With wiper fluid, the ammonia dries away without impacting the paint. Temporary way to make it lay down better

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Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2017, 06:05 AM »
Glad it worked out for you
I would NEVER spray doors verticaly, just spray them horizontally and rack
They level out perfect! No one sprays door like that!
I do.    My way I can spray both sides at the same time.  Your way you have to wait for one side to dry.  With ADVANCE paint they recommend 16 hours between coats.  Additionally, it takes several weeks for the finish to harden up.   I'd be worried about impressions left by the drying rack bars.  Do automotive painters flip cars on their sides to paint?  There are 10 ways to skin a cat, there's no right way.


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 07:09 AM »
That looks excellent - can't wait to  see the final product.  We have the same sprayer, and I hope I can get results like yours.  How much did you thin the Advance to shoot it through a 1.8 tip?

I forgot to mention, I use the 3m pps system.  I can't say enough about this.  It replaces the standard cup with disposable inserts.  The beauty is there is a filter built into the lid so no more straining and no more messy cup cleanup.  That said, plan on spending another 200 on it with all the adaptors and accessories you need.  Money well spent.
To answer your question about thinning, there are plastic film inserts with graduated lines and ratios that fit between the outer and inner cup.  My friend that loaned me the hangers told me he thinned ten percent.  I remember reading that Ben Moore recommends six percent.  I'm no chemist so just winged it.  I chose the 8:1:1 ratio on the insert.  8 paint, 1 floetrol, 1 wiper fluid.  It happened to work out correct


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2017, 08:50 AM »
Glad it worked out for you
I would NEVER spray doors verticaly, just spray them horizontally and rack
They level out perfect! No one sprays door like that!
I do.    My way I can spray both sides at the same time.  Your way you have to wait for one side to dry.  With ADVANCE paint they recommend 16 hours between coats.  Additionally, it takes several weeks for the finish to harden up.   I'd be worried about impressions left by the drying rack bars.  Do automotive painters flip cars on their sides to paint?  There are 10 ways to skin a cat, there's no right way.


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There is a rack system that allows you to spray flat and flip the panels while wet to spray the other side (even with Advance).

I totally agree there are many ways to get the products sprayed. Flat decreases the risk of runs, but increases the risk of airborne things getting in the finish.

The doors look good by the way.

To answer the question about flipping cars on their side---yes (at times).

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Adaption of the process to what I do now. 268806-1268808-2

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2017, 08:57 AM »
Hello just some ideas try Kem Aqua plus, can be tinted most colours and dries in 40min to recoat. We have discussed all of this before
I find BM Advance takes forever to Harden, doesn't sand well to prep for a second coat and really not suitable for doors compared to a pigmented Lacquer such as SW Kem Aqua plus.
BM takes way too long by the time you spray two coats and let dry
Buy a gallon, no thinning 1.2-1.4 tip and reduce the air. Smooth as butter, hard durable finish

Thanks
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2017, 10:44 AM »
Is that a Pantera ?
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 11:51 AM »
Hello just some ideas try Kem Aqua plus, can be tinted most colours and dries in 40min to recoat. We have discussed all of this before
I find BM Advance takes forever to Harden, doesn't sand well to prep for a second coat and really not suitable for doors compared to a pigmented Lacquer such as SW Kem Aqua plus.
BM takes way too long by the time you spray two coats and let dry
Buy a gallon, no thinning 1.2-1.4 tip and reduce the air. Smooth as butter, hard durable finish

Thanks

I do want to try Kem Aqua but lately I've been reading here about problems with viscosity.  Also my buddy with the hangers recommended Advance so I had to oblige.  He cautioned me about the initial softness but I found it to be harder than I thought.  Also, I just applied the second coat and found it to sand like any other latex paint. 
I do like the sound of lacquer though and spraying without thinning is a huge plus.  IIRC, my local SW doesn't stock it but told me they would order it for me.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 11:56 AM »
Is that a Pantera ?

Yes, that one is a 74 GTS, twin turbocharged 351.

72-L model

70-push button.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2017, 11:58 AM »
Hello just some ideas try Kem Aqua plus, can be tinted most colours and dries in 40min to recoat. We have discussed all of this before
I find BM Advance takes forever to Harden, doesn't sand well to prep for a second coat and really not suitable for doors compared to a pigmented Lacquer such as SW Kem Aqua plus.
BM takes way too long by the time you spray two coats and let dry
Buy a gallon, no thinning 1.2-1.4 tip and reduce the air. Smooth as butter, hard durable finish

Thanks

I do want to try Kem Aqua but lately I've been reading here about problems with viscosity.  Also my buddy with the hangers recommended Advance so I had to oblige.  He cautioned me about the initial softness but I found it to be harder than I thought.  Also, I just applied the second coat and found it to sand like any other latex paint. 
I do like the sound of lacquer though and spraying without thinning is a huge plus.  IIRC, my local SW doesn't stock it but told me they would order it for me.

Your BM dealer may carry Lenmar. Similar to KA but owned by BM.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2017, 12:54 PM »
+1 on KemAqua Plus. With a lot of help from Tom, I've done pretty well with it so far. Have been using a 1.5 tip, gonna try a 1.0 to see if that eliminates some of the "splatter" I get. But otherwise I love working with it.


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2017, 02:47 PM »
Can you brush kem aqua or Lenmar?  Reason I ask is I have to brush on the paint on the installed cabinets


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2017, 03:03 PM »
Hello Kem Aqua is spray only, I usually sponge roll the cabinets if I can't masking spray. You can use BM Advance or SW Pro Classic

Thanks
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2017, 12:42 PM »
I just came from my ben Moore store and was told lenmar can not be tinted,  its a clear polyurethene

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2017, 01:40 PM »
I just came from my ben Moore store and was told lenmar can not be tinted,  its a clear polyurethene

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Tell them they're full of it. Lenmar can be matched to any BM color by stock formula and custom color matched.

http://www.lenmar-coatings.com/product-detail/pro/lenmar/duralaq-wb-waterborne-acrylic-white-finish

http://www.lenmar-coatings.com/category-listing/pro/waterbornefinishsystems

Tom
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2017, 02:15 PM »
I thought so to.  But therein lies the problem.  Lenmar is a line of coatings ranging from waterborne lacquer to polyurethenes.  I simply asked if they stocked any "Lenmar".  What I should of asked for is if they had any Lenmar "White Duralaq Acryllic"
But I agree, the women should have known this, she hadn't even heard of Kem-Aqua.  Thanks, Tom  Even if they stocked it, I'd be worried about them color matching it.  I think I'll stick with Advance for this project, which BTW seems very hard having only sprayed it yesterday.  Much harder than any latex paint I've used.

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My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2017, 12:46 AM »
When given enough time to cure Advance becomes very hard. In many cases I believe that it takes much longer than 30 days for Advance to reach its maximum hardness.


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2017, 12:47 PM »
Glad it worked out for you
I would NEVER spray doors verticaly, just spray them horizontally and rack
They level out perfect! No one sprays door like that!

I use the coat hanger method.  It works a treat.  No runs if you apply thin coats.  Less dust / bugs landing on the faces while drying.  Can do both sides at once.  A ladder on two saw horses becomes an instant drying rack (can easily fit 3-4 doors per ladder rung).  Can easily move wet doors around without worrying about where to grab.  No need to plug the hook holes if you choose their positions carefully, so can quickly put the hooks back in and add another coat in a few years time.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2017, 02:23 PM »
Hi Jim,

Wanted to let you know that Tom is correct. the Duralac product can be tinted to any BM colour but because the bases are different then those from BM directly, you need to find a dealer that knows how to do this. I found a dealer in the states that has formulas for tinting the duralac products to match the most popular BM products. Most BM retailers do not know how to do this.
Also, I have the same setup that you do, except I have a Q5 which I dial down to match the output of the 4 stage from Fuji. Using the PPS system as well, I found that I can spray Advance and Select Regal, which is thicker, without any thinning with a 1.8mil needle. If you don't thin it will dry faster and risk orange peel. So I add 5% of water for Advance and 5% BM extender for Select Regal and I get a perfect finish.
These 2 paints don't like air at all. The less air you can introduce to the paint the better the results.

Thought I would share,
JC

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2017, 04:31 PM »
Thanks @JCLP , for your tips on spraying.  How much air do you suppress?  Say if wide open on the hose valve is 12:00 and fully closed is 3:00, what time do you recommend?

The first coat I brushed on my base cabinets this morning has dried.  I'm amazed how slippery smooth it is.  Advance gets a lot of knocks around here but I think it's a great paint.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2017, 04:42 PM »
I just re-read the initial post.  I have a chemistry related issue with thinning waterborne alkyd or latex with wiper fluid for spraying.  I've seen this method mentioned in some forums, particularly in hobby model painting and woodworking circles.  Some points to consider:

1) The purpose of adding a conditioner like Floetrol is to slow the dry time, allowing the atomized paint droplets enough time to lay out on the surface and level back into a flat layer.

2) Adding ~10% water is necessary to lower the viscosity of these thicker paints that are designed for brushing / rolling, allowing adequate flow through the gun and atomization to occur.

3) Thinning the paint will make it dry faster.

With these facts in mind, here's my issue:  adding a thinning agent that has a faster evaporation rate than water defeats the function of the paint conditioner (which is trying to slow down the drying rate).  So while washer fluid may in fact work, you're better off sticking with water to allow adequate leveling.  Is my reasoning correct?
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2017, 05:02 PM »
@QuailRider43 ,  You say thinning the paint makes it dry faster, JC said it drys slower.  Some hang their work pieces vertically while others swear by horizontal.  Some thin with water while others thin with wiper fluid.  Some like Kem Aqua,  others like Duralaq and on and on.  There's no right or wrong way, ask my wife, according to her I'm wrong 99% of the time.  Advance is known on this forum for being problematic in many ways.  The whole point of my post was to show the methods that I used to get a very successful result.  Take it or leave it.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2017, 05:52 PM »
Looks great Jim, nice to see the progress



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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2017, 06:21 PM »
Not criticizing, just learning. I like understanding why the paint behaves the way it does, so hard work doesn’t go pear shaped due to some unforeseen factor. I considered washer fluid myself before, but then I read about how it can affect the conditioner, so I reconsidered. I enjoyed reading about your project.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2017, 07:41 PM »
Ok open to criticism lol From my experience WHY try to thin when you can spray right from the can. There should be NO--- talk on mixing, diluting just try Kem Aqua plus
If your that naive on trying to spray BW Advance I give up. Spend $40 bucks on a gallon and try it
Use BM Advance on the cabinets using a sponge roller and spray the doors with SW Kem Aqua +
From experience BM Advanced will not stand up to daily abuse on the doors! Try the nail test
Pre spray with Bin shellac primer

Try to move forward not backward and listen from experience!!
I moved on from a Fuji 4 stage, then a 3m system, then a Cat stainless pressure pot and finally to a AAA Kremlin 15-25 pump/excite gun
It is all an evolution to try to get better
Just trying to help
Thanks
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2017, 08:21 PM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2017, 08:31 PM »
With all respect Tom
Why would anyone want to mix, dilute and play around when you can spray with the real deal!
We ALL have tried the shortcuts and realize what works. This is a business not playtime

Bruce
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 09:05 PM »
With all respect Tom
Why would anyone want to mix, dilute and play around when you can spray with the real deal!
We ALL have tried the shortcuts and realize what works. This is a business not playtime

Bruce

Sometimes you can't get an exact color match with KA+. I have one of the best there is at matching at the finish store I use, there's times you have to go with paint and clear. Just went through it trying to have a BM color matched.

By the way, there is not a product I've run into that I can't spray straight---I have a unit that will spray block filler, Tuff Hide or Spary-Plast XP.  Putting the info out there for the ones that can't spray some of the heavier products without a little applied alchemy.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2017, 09:15 PM »
Tom
I spray 120 doors a week with Key Aqua Plus, Sherwin Williams matches it perfectly.
Just not trying to reinvent the wheel

Just trying to give GOOD advice

Bruce
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2017, 10:12 PM »
Tom
I spray 120 doors a week with Key Aqua Plus, Sherwin Williams matches it perfectly.
Just not trying to reinvent the wheel

Just trying to give GOOD advice

Bruce

Matches it to what?

I buy between 15-20 gallons of KA+ a month, clears and whites of various sheens. You'll find most of the guys who use KA or KA+ here is because I recommend it for the last 5-6 years. I field calls at least twice a week from people asking about settings, technique and application of the product.

The vast majority of times they can get the color dead on. About 2 weeks ago I need a couple gallons of KA+ tinted to BM Simply White. They couldn't get the hue just right. Had the issue with other BM colors. I attribute it to the titanium white concentration and the fact BM has 2 different gray colorants. Ended up with Advance topcoated with KA+ MRE.

As I said, have yet to run into a product I can't spray apply--by the way, I'm not a painter or a finisher--but I sure do a lot of it....

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 08:23 AM »
I have had good success just limiting the customer colour selections to the SW colour book. Using SW Kem Aqua plus on the doors and Pro Classic on the cabinets if they can't be sprayed. Been happy with there colour matches.
 
I recently purchased the Graco GX19 as a standalone Bin primer pump. I really don't want to spray shellac based Bin through the Kremlin. That could be a different post lol


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 09:03 AM »
I have had good success just limiting the customer colour selections to the SW colour book. Using SW Kem Aqua plus on the doors and Pro Classic on the cabinets if they can't be sprayed. Been happy with there colour matches.

Thanks

At times I don't have that option. The colors choices are made by others and I have to match them.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2017, 06:27 AM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom
Ah, you've played with this more?
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2017, 08:26 AM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom

I'm curious about this, @tjbnwi.   If I add polycryclic to an acrylic paint, what would be the effects, beyond reducing viscosity?  Would it affect leveling qualities?


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2017, 08:47 AM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom
Ah, you've played with this more?

Not a lot since I got a- AAA. It will shoot latex and acrylics without any problems.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2017, 08:50 AM »
Just to throw another wrench in the gears....

Minwax Ploycrylic is a great thinner for acrylic paints.

Tom

I'm curious about this, @tjbnwi.   If I add polycryclic to an acrylic paint, what would be the effects, beyond reducing viscosity?  Would it affect leveling qualities?

The paint does layout better. I noticed no affect on the paint film strength.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2017, 09:28 AM »
Interesting thread.
If we all had access to the money tree in the backyard, spraying paint would not be an issue as all we would need to do is go out and purchase whatever technology we needed. But with most of us that is impossible. We need to make due with what we can afford.
Spraying paint is as much of a science as it is skill. Figuring out what air pressure, paint volume, needle size, viscosity, speed of movement of the spray gun across the surface, distance from the surface, environmental settings of the spray booth etc., is a long process and differs for whatever technology you are using. The values and settings are not directly transferable to each system. Whether you have a turbine HVLP, a compressor based HVLP, AAA system, using a pressure pot with a turbine or compressor or using 3M PPS whith HVLP gun, the process you determine for each system willbe different. For example.
Using a AAA system to spray Advance is a lot different then using a turbine HVLP. With the AAA system you can apply very thin coats, less then the required wet mils, and build up to the require final hickness. Trying to apply the same logic using a HVLP system doesn't work. Trust me I have experimented a lot. I found that using a large needle, 1.8-2.0mil, and thinning the paint approx 5% lays Advance down beautifully. If you apply it to thin, like AAA would with great results, you get a gritty surface. If you apply it to thick, you get orange peeling. This paint, Advance, does not like to much air. The less the better.

I would recommend that when someone responds to a thread like this we take into consideration what technology they are using compared to what the person who originally started thread has. Hearing someone say that I use this with this and it's the only way and everything else is crap, does not help anyone at all. I'm tired of being told, go out and buy this and it will solve your problem. I would rather have someone ask me what equipment I have, what paint I'm using and help me out with that. Tom, is really good with that and has help me out a lot.
I think as Foggers, we are here to help each other, especially when it comes to spraying, and not hear to tell people go out and spend your money because what you have is not adequate.

Any product can be sprayed with any spray technology, just some are easier then others. A little experimenting, or a lot, goes a long way.

My two cents,

JC

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2017, 02:28 PM »
Hello you made some very good points but really didn't want this post to fall off the tracks

Sometimes you might have to spray Advanced/Pro classic due to a issue.

I'm just suggesting if you can have choices in what you spray regardless of what setup try spraying something that was designed to be sprayed.
Pigmented Lacquer can be tinted most colours. We have gone over all the advantages many times, PL is 15% cheaper than advanced

If you have a chance spray a door/board with latex paint and the other with Pigmented Lacquer, there is amazing difference

Hope that helps
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2017, 06:28 PM »
Tom now that you are in the AAA pump world are you going to retire the Fuji turbine Hvlp?
Soft spray perfect results. Spray anything
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2017, 11:08 PM »
Tom now that you are in the AAA pump world are you going to retire the Fuji turbine Hvlp?
Soft spray perfect results. Spray anything

No.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2017, 08:24 AM »
One great take away I got from the experts on this thread was Tom's advice of using Krud Kutter degreaser.  It sure cleaned up these skuzzy pulls under the cooktop!




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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2017, 05:31 PM »
Placed the order for a Fuji Mini-Mite 4 with GXPC gun yesterday. Wanted to jump on the AcmeTools 15% off. Was $670 shipped. Now I need to figure out what Aircap sets to pick up and to figure out this 3M PPS system and what parts to get for that.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2017, 09:09 AM »
Placed the order for a Fuji Mini-Mite 4 with GXPC gun yesterday. Wanted to jump on the AcmeTools 15% off. Was $670 shipped. Now I need to figure out what Aircap sets to pick up and to figure out this 3M PPS system and what parts to get for that.

Congratulations on your purchase.  You will not regret it.  That's a great price on your sprayer too.  Don't forget to buy the whip hose. 
The friend who recommended the 3M PPS told me it adds another $100.  But the reality is it's closer to $250 all in.   You reminded me that when I was in the same boat as you, I ordered several incorrect items, including the adaptor.  If you pm me your email address, I'll send you a spreadsheet complete with links to all the correct items that I bought.  I tried to post but was denied permission.  Anyone else is welcome too.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2017, 09:21 AM by Jim Kirkpatrick »

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2017, 09:38 AM »
Placed the order for a Fuji Mini-Mite 4 with GXPC gun yesterday. Wanted to jump on the AcmeTools 15% off. Was $670 shipped. Now I need to figure out what Aircap sets to pick up and to figure out this 3M PPS system and what parts to get for that.

Congratulations on your purchase.  You will not regret it.  That's a great price on your sprayer too.  Don't forget to buy the whip hose. 
The friend who recommended the 3M PPS told me it adds another $100.  But the reality is it's closer to $250 all in.   You reminded me that when I was in the same boat as you, I ordered several incorrect items, including the adaptor.  If you pm me your email address, I'll send you a spreadsheet complete with links to all the correct items that I bought.  I tried to post but was denied permission.  Anyone else is welcome too.

Ill have to find the whip hose, didnt know about that.

Fuji makes it easy to go with the PPS system now. They recommend this seller (LINK) who puts together kits for whatever router you want to go with their sprayers and the PPS system. $130 shipped for the Mini cup setup and $165 for the large. I just know yet if Ill need the 24oz cups vs the 6oz cups for what Ill be spraying. Probably nice to have both sizes available but Im leaning towards starting with the 6oz.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2017, 09:49 AM »
I don't use the whip hose. Broke way to many of them.

I've gone to this hose, no need for a whip.

https://www.amazon.com/25-Hose-HVLP-Turbine-Sprayer/dp/B00GAFE6LI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1507729727&sr=8-3&keywords=hvlp+turbine+hose

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2017, 11:13 AM »
Make sure you get the HO PPS cup or the pressurized model.  They only have the mini or 6oz, 3M said there never was a 8oz only 6oz and the large.  The large can't be tipped back for good balance because it hits the gun body. 3M PPS system link.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2017, 12:20 PM »
Make sure you get the HO PPS cup or the pressurized model.  They only have the mini or 6oz, 3M said there never was a 8oz only 6oz and the large.  The large can't be tipped back for good balance because it hits the gun body. 3M PPS system link.

Alright, so 6 oz setup first it is then.


Those recommending the whip hose: whats the improvement over the hose the Mini-Mite 4 comes with (the High Flex hose)? I found this chart (LINK) but I was looking for some real user advice.


And what about the short, high heat hoses some recommend coming out of the 4 and 5 stage turbines? Are those needed?


And lastly what Air Cap sets should I pick up if Im looking to use the sprayer for shellac, laquer, stains and latex (acrylic)?
« Last Edit: October 11, 2017, 12:25 PM by ben_r_ »
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2017, 01:12 PM »
Make sure you get the HO PPS cup or the pressurized model.  They only have the mini or 6oz, 3M said there never was a 8oz only 6oz and the large.  The large can't be tipped back for good balance because it hits the gun body. 3M PPS system link.

Alright, so 6 oz setup first it is then.


Those recommending the whip hose: whats the improvement over the hose the Mini-Mite 4 comes with (the High Flex hose)? I found this chart (LINK) but I was looking for some real user advice.


And what about the short, high heat hoses some recommend coming out of the 4 and 5 stage turbines? Are those needed?


And lastly what Air Cap sets should I pick up if Im looking to use the sprayer for shellac, laquer, stains and latex (acrylic)?

Hi Ben,

I have the Q5 with the whip hose. It makes handling the gun easier as it is not as heavy or stiff as the main hose. Now, as for the main hose, try to purchase the turbine with Fuji's new hose. This is the one I have and it is thicker and includes the 3 foot heat hose. It is grey in color. I use to have the blue hose and tossed it out when I started using the grey hose. Here is a link to the better hose.

Super Duty hose

Cheers,
JC

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2017, 01:23 PM »
Make sure you get the HO PPS cup or the pressurized model.  They only have the mini or 6oz, 3M said there never was a 8oz only 6oz and the large.  The large can't be tipped back for good balance because it hits the gun body. 3M PPS system link.

Alright, so 6 oz setup first it is then.


Those recommending the whip hose: whats the improvement over the hose the Mini-Mite 4 comes with (the High Flex hose)? I found this chart (LINK) but I was looking for some real user advice.


And what about the short, high heat hoses some recommend coming out of the 4 and 5 stage turbines? Are those needed?


And lastly what Air Cap sets should I pick up if Im looking to use the sprayer for shellac, laquer, stains and latex (acrylic)?

Hi Ben,

I have the Q5 with the whip hose. It makes handling the gun easier as it is not as heavy or stiff as the main hose. Now, as for the main hose, try to purchase the turbine with Fuji's new hose. This is the one I have and it is thicker and includes the 3 foot heat hose. It is grey in color. I use to have the blue hose and tossed it out when I started using the grey hose. Here is a link to the better hose.

Super Duty hose

Cheers,
JC

Gotcha. I will contact AcmeTools and see if they can tell me which hose my Mini-Mite 4 will ship with?

If the High Flex hose is much nicer to work with, would it be better to order the 10ft one and add the 3ft High Heat hose and just use that combo?
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2017, 01:46 PM »
The lighter hose is easier on this feeble old man.

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2017, 02:09 PM »
If you get the 5 stage, I don't know about the 4 stage, it does produce a lot of heat and the longer the hose the better. I actually have a whit hose attached to a 20' hose attached to the 30'grey hose. Thus having about 55' of hose. Air comes out cool at the gun. No loss of pressure.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2017, 02:19 PM »
If you get the 5 stage, I don't know about the 4 stage, it does produce a lot of heat and the longer the hose the better. I actually have a whit hose attached to a 20' hose attached to the 30'grey hose. Thus having about 55' of hose. Air comes out cool at the gun. No loss of pressure.
Cheers,
JC

Oh wow. Yea I dont even know what I would do with all that hose laying around. I wasnt thinking Id ever be anymore than 10ft away from the turbine when using the setup.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2017, 02:27 PM »
If you get the 5 stage, I don't know about the 4 stage, it does produce a lot of heat and the longer the hose the better. I actually have a whit hose attached to a 20' hose attached to the 30'grey hose. Thus having about 55' of hose. Air comes out cool at the gun. No loss of pressure.
Cheers,
JC

Oh wow. Yea I dont even know what I would do with all that hose laying around. I wasnt thinking Id ever be anymore than 10ft away from the turbine when using the setup.
10' feet is way too short. Your air will be too warm coming out of the gun. You're goal is to get the coolest air at the nozzle as possible.

JC

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2017, 02:31 PM »
If you get the 5 stage, I don't know about the 4 stage, it does produce a lot of heat and the longer the hose the better. I actually have a whit hose attached to a 20' hose attached to the 30'grey hose. Thus having about 55' of hose. Air comes out cool at the gun. No loss of pressure.
Cheers,
JC

Oh wow. Yea I dont even know what I would do with all that hose laying around. I wasnt thinking Id ever be anymore than 10ft away from the turbine when using the setup.
10' feet is way too short. Your air will be too warm coming out of the gun. You're goal is to get the coolest air at the nozzle as possible.

JC

You also want your turbine to be 15-20' away from your spray area to keep the air going into the turbine dust free

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2017, 02:33 PM »
I never had any issues with the MM4 and the 25' stock blue hose (plus the whip hose, essential to make the gun feel lighter and more maneuverable in your hands).  If you end up having issues with spraying something finicky and think it could be because the air is too warm, you could look at lengthening the hose.  Doubt it would be an issue on the 4 stage.  The extra 6ft of whip will probably give you all the cooling you'll need.

These are basically like really stiff garden hoses and kind of a pain to store, so I wouldn't obtain more hose unless you are having issues...

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2017, 02:46 PM »
If your new Mini-Mite comes with a blue hose, no need to spring $60-100 for a complete new hose.  The whip hose is only $35 and like others have said, makes the gun feel lighter and more maneuverable.  If you're doing any cabinet  painting, I think you'll be wishing you got the large cup.  Small cup would be good for spraying small jewelry boxes, tanning spray etc., I would like to have the small but am glad I went with the large.

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2017, 04:47 PM »
Okay thanks guys. Just heard back from AcmeTools who contacted Fuji directly and they confirmed that the Mini-Mite 4 will come with: "a standard 25-foot hose.  Only the more powerful 5-stage models have been repackaged with a more heavily reinforced hydraulic hose."

So I guess I will pick up the 6' Flexible Whip Hose #2049F to make the setup a little more easily maneuverable.

Lastly I am thinking of picking up the 1.0mm AirCap set to use with fine clear finishes like shellac and lacquer as I was reading the 1.4mm that comes with the gun might be a bit heavy for those thinner products. What do you guys think?
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2017, 05:34 PM »
Okay thanks guys. Just heard back from AcmeTools who contacted Fuji directly and they confirmed that the Mini-Mite 4 will come with: "a standard 25-foot hose.  Only the more powerful 5-stage models have been repackaged with a more heavily reinforced hydraulic hose."

So I guess I will pick up the 6' Flexible Whip Hose #2049F to make the setup a little more easily maneuverable.

Lastly I am thinking of picking up the 1.0mm AirCap set to use with fine clear finishes like shellac and lacquer as I was reading the 1.4mm that comes with the gun might be a bit heavy for those thinner products. What do you guys think?

0.8mm

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2017, 05:37 PM »
Okay thanks guys. Just heard back from AcmeTools who contacted Fuji directly and they confirmed that the Mini-Mite 4 will come with: "a standard 25-foot hose.  Only the more powerful 5-stage models have been repackaged with a more heavily reinforced hydraulic hose."

So I guess I will pick up the 6' Flexible Whip Hose #2049F to make the setup a little more easily maneuverable.

Lastly I am thinking of picking up the 1.0mm AirCap set to use with fine clear finishes like shellac and lacquer as I was reading the 1.4mm that comes with the gun might be a bit heavy for those thinner products. What do you guys think?

0.8mm

Tom
For the GXPC gun there is no 0.8mm AirCap set. There is 0.7mm, 1.0mm, 1.4mm, 1.8mm and 2.0mm.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2017, 09:53 AM »
Okay thanks guys. Just heard back from AcmeTools who contacted Fuji directly and they confirmed that the Mini-Mite 4 will come with: "a standard 25-foot hose.  Only the more powerful 5-stage models have been repackaged with a more heavily reinforced hydraulic hose."

So I guess I will pick up the 6' Flexible Whip Hose #2049F to make the setup a little more easily maneuverable.

Lastly I am thinking of picking up the 1.0mm AirCap set to use with fine clear finishes like shellac and lacquer as I was reading the 1.4mm that comes with the gun might be a bit heavy for those thinner products. What do you guys think?

0.8mm

Tom
For the GXPC gun there is no 0.8mm AirCap set. There is 0.7mm, 1.0mm, 1.4mm, 1.8mm and 2.0mm.

I didn't recall it was the X series gun, sorry. When I saw 0.8, I figured T series.

Get the #2 (0.7mm).

Tom

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2017, 09:11 PM »
Placed the order for a Fuji Mini-Mite 4 with GXPC gun yesterday. Wanted to jump on the AcmeTools 15% off. Was $670 shipped. Now I need to figure out what Aircap sets to pick up and to figure out this 3M PPS system and what parts to get for that.

I'm in the same boat.  I bought my Fuji MiniMite 4 Platinum w/T75 gun from a fuji authorized dealer on Ebay.  I've been hand painting my projects and got tired of the brush marks.  I have no clue how to spray paint and after spending about 30 minutes on this topic tells me that spraying is a little bit of science (paint mixing) and a little bit of luck with a lot of differing techniques.  The 3M PPS looks interesting and I may pick the system up so at least I can get the science part of spraying right.  Thanks all for the input.
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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2017, 11:55 PM »
 The 3M PPS system is spectacularly convenient. I use it with a Fuji T75 and will never go back to the regular cup.


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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2017, 02:46 PM »
Ended up with Advance topcoated with KA+ MRE.


Interesting, curious why you top coated Advance with KA (Kem Aqua) and MRE (???)
Thanks
Tim

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Re: My Paint Spray Setup with a Fuji MiniMite 4
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2017, 08:57 PM »
Ended up with Advance topcoated with KA+ MRE.


Interesting, curious why you top coated Advance with KA (Kem Aqua) and MRE (???)
Thanks
Tim

@Tim Raleigh,

I just saw this. KA+ is Kem Aqua Plus, the MRE refers to the sheen for the clears--Medium Rubbed Effect, it will have a black glass reflection of 34-38.

Tom