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New Handheld Technology
« on: February 04, 2017, 01:50 PM »
Big year for Graco. In addition to the new low pressure tips, they are also rolling out a newly designed handheld sprayer in both corded and cordless versions. Think new and better engineered Proshots and Truecoats.

We are just starting testing and will share performance results as gather them.

Always good to have better options coming out in lower price ranges.

Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

More coming soon...

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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2017, 02:08 PM »
Scott,

I thought you were going to post some links and photos of some brushes and rollers!

Look forward to the reviews!

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2017, 03:45 PM »
Big year for Graco. In addition to the new low pressure tips, they are also rolling out a newly designed handheld sprayer in both corded and cordless versions. Think new and better engineered Proshots and Truecoats.

We are just starting testing and will share performance results as gather them.

Always good to have better options coming out in lower price ranges.

Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

More coming soon...
You stated in your other thread about the new RAC X FFLP tips that they'll work in any airless, I wonder why does the specs post for all three posted in your article state, Tip Support:  RAC X FFLP tips only?
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2017, 05:02 PM »
Big year for Graco. In addition to the new low pressure tips, they are also rolling out a newly designed handheld sprayer in both corded and cordless versions. Think new and better engineered Proshots and Truecoats.

We are just starting testing and will share performance results as gather them.

Always good to have better options coming out in lower price ranges.

Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

More coming soon...
You stated in your other thread about the new RAC X FFLP tips that they'll work in any airless, I wonder why does the specs post for all three posted in your article state, Tip Support:  RAC X FFLP tips only?

Because these handhelds are engineered and calibrated for use with those tips.

These are airless sprayers.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2017, 06:53 PM »
This looks like another good outcome for me in choosing Dewalt for cordless nailers.

Thanks for the review, I'll be finding ways to get my hands on the cordless versions.

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2017, 08:20 PM »
Because these handhelds are engineered and calibrated for use with those tips.

These are airless sprayers.
Not engineered and calibrated for use with those tips but standard RAXC X "might" be doable in these three.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2017, 08:25 PM »
Because these handhelds are engineered and calibrated for use with those tips.

These are airless sprayers.
Not engineered and calibrated for use with those tips but standard RAXC X "might" be doable in these three.

I have no idea what you are getting at here, Bill.

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2017, 08:37 PM »
I have no idea what you are getting at here, Bill.
Simple, a non FFLP tip "might" still work in these three new handhelds although they aren't engineered to do so.
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2017, 08:41 PM »
I have no idea what you are getting at here, Bill.
Simple, a non FFLP tip "might" still work in these three new handhelds although they aren't engineered to do so.

Sure, a RAC X would probably fit and paint would come out. I can say from lots of time spent with handhelds that they don't need more pressure than recommended. If the mfr recommends that the units are tuned for fflp, that is what I would use.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2017, 05:06 AM »
Scott,

I thought you were going to post some links and photos of some brushes and rollers!

Look forward to the reviews!

Cheers. Bryan.


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Good point, Bryan, we do still use those once in a while!

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2017, 07:29 AM »

Sure, a RAC X would probably fit and paint would come out. I can say from lots of time spent with handhelds that they don't need more pressure than recommended. If the mfr recommends that the units are tuned for fflp, that is what I would use.
If I had one of these I wouldn't hesitate to try that to make the gun more versatile as there is a purpose for a standard RAC X tip.
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2017, 07:36 AM »

Sure, a RAC X would probably fit and paint would come out. I can say from lots of time spent with handhelds that they don't need more pressure than recommended. If the mfr recommends that the units are tuned for fflp, that is what I would use.
If I had one of these I wouldn't hesitate to try that to make the gun more versatile as there is a purpose for a standard RAC X tip.

There are definitely lots of purposes for the standard RAC X.

Feel free to try it out, it won't hurt anything. I will predict that the word "versatile" won't be the first one that pops into your head when you do!

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2017, 09:08 AM »
There are definitely lots of purposes for the standard RAC X.

Feel free to try it out, it won't hurt anything. I will predict that the word "versatile" won't be the first one that pops into your head when you do!
I guess we'll never know unless someone else tries it as I'm not looking for another handheld.  I assume that you mean that it won't work well?  Lets see, you have a RAC X guard, pressure adjustment and even a flow adjustment from what I've read so "unless" its automatic functions cause some problems, it should work as well as any other handheld with RAC X tip.
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2017, 09:14 AM »
There are definitely lots of purposes for the standard RAC X.

Feel free to try it out, it won't hurt anything. I will predict that the word "versatile" won't be the first one that pops into your head when you do!
I guess we'll never know unless someone else tries it as I'm not looking for another handheld.  I assume that you mean that it won't work well?  Lets see, you have a RAC X guard, pressure adjustment and even a flow adjustment from what I've read so "unless" its automatic functions cause some problems, it should work as well as any other handheld with RAC X tip.


Exactly the point, Bill. Previous handhelds have not worked well enough, that is why the technology has been completely redesigned - and engineered to work smoother at lower pressures.

I have been using them since 2010 with RAC X style tips, and even with pressure control on the unit, you would either be throwing paint across the room or experiencing spitting or pulsing patterns.

The set up that you are curious about is exactly what the evolution of handhelds is moving forward from. If you are really curious I will set up a quick demo and show you the difference sometime. Its pretty interesting.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2017, 09:35 AM »
Exactly the point, Bill. Previous handhelds have not worked well enough, that is why the technology has been completely redesigned - and engineered to work smoother at lower pressures.

I have been using them since 2010 with RAC X style tips, and even with pressure control on the unit, you would either be throwing paint across the room or experiencing spitting or pulsing patterns.

The set up that you are curious about is exactly what the evolution of handhelds is moving forward from. If you are really curious I will set up a quick demo and show you the difference sometime. Its pretty interesting.

A comparison video?  I'd like to see that.

I have the Truecoat Pro II but the main issue I had is that the suggested tips put out way too much product and you have to run with it.  Modifying the tip guard so it can use a smaller tip solves that problem.  It has refused to spray a product but that might be solved by straining as this guy in this video suggests and I think you know him.






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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2017, 09:37 AM »
You're on the right track with thought process, Bill. You've just described exactly why the new handhelds are designed to work best with low pressure fine finish tips.  [big grin]

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2017, 10:29 AM »
You're on the right track with thought process, Bill. You've just described exactly why the new handhelds are designed to work best with low pressure fine finish tips.  [big grin]
I stumbled upon this Promo having to do with the new handheld line.
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2017, 02:23 PM »
You're on the right track with thought process, Bill. You've just described exactly why the new handhelds are designed to work best with low pressure fine finish tips.  [big grin]
I stumbled upon this Promo having to do with the new handheld line.

Oh man, I may have to trade in my TrueCoat Plus II. I'm mostly spraying small things when I spray, but I can't keep up with the amount of paint it puts out.
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2017, 02:36 PM »
Scott,

Would the lower pressure and new LP tip allow you to put out less product, translating to less overspray and a more relaxed application rate?

For the occasional paint grade bookcase/cabinet/door, etc. would this be preferable to an HVLP?

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2017, 02:57 PM »
Oh man, I may have to trade in my TrueCoat Plus II. I'm mostly spraying small things when I spray, but I can't keep up with the amount of paint it puts out.
That's a bit vague!  Trade In means return something but there's no mention of returning anything.  Do they want proof of purchase on the trade in as well?  I sure don't have that.  The web address mentioned in the PDF is there but not fully functional yet.
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2017, 04:12 PM »
Scott,

Would the lower pressure and new LP tip allow you to put out less product, translating to less overspray and a more relaxed application rate?

For the occasional paint grade bookcase/cabinet/door, etc. would this be preferable to an HVLP?

That is the theory, that the product will be more controlled and the fan delivered at a lower pressure than with the previous generations. That is a good improvement. I have been using them since the very first ProShot in 2010 and have done everything from cabinets to exterior trims with the different models. You had to fly with them. Thats a lot of power to have in the palm of your hand.

Preferable to HVLP? That is going to vary from one person to the next. When the handhelds are good and working and maintained correctly, they are easier in some ways to use than HVLP. That is a two edged sword though. They have more power, so on finer tasks the handhelds can demand some technique adjustments from the user. For example, your distance to what you are spraying and your pace will be very different compared to HVLP. With some practice, it is pretty easy to sort out.

With both HVLP and handhelds, you can mess up projects, just in different ways - at different ends of the spectrum. Its a good comparison.

One place that the handheld might get the nod over HVLP among lots of users is in latex primer and paint. It can be difficult for occasional HVLP users to dial in for that.

For me personally, if I had one door to do or one bookcase or small set of shelves in latex, I would probably grab the handheld just because I know I could do it faster.

If it was a more formal piece in oil based clear, HVLP. As with most choices, it depends on the types of tasks and products you tend to be in the most.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2017, 04:37 PM »
Good information. Thanks. I held off with the previous generation for the specific reasons that have now been addressed. The DeWalt battery and ability to use the tips with my 395 will most likely sway me into getting one. I have had my share of struggles with latex and HVLP.

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2017, 04:41 PM »
Good information. Thanks. I held off with the previous generation for the specific reasons that have now been addressed. The DeWalt battery and ability to use the tips with my 395 will most likely sway me into getting one. I have had my share of struggles with latex and HVLP.

I'll keep this thread updated. We will be showing some of our test footage with the new rigs starting next week and will try to make it as clear as possible what the differences are and how they work.

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2017, 11:55 PM »
Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

The page is messed up...getting a page of symbols with Chrome browser...I may have too many tabs open.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2017, 06:30 AM »
Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

The page is messed up...getting a page of symbols with Chrome browser...I may have too many tabs open.
Nope!  Same here but it did work before.
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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2017, 08:21 AM »
Works fine on Safari.

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Works fine on Safari.

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I've never heard of the phrase ‘hot’ solvent based product. Anyone care to enlighten? What's the difference from good ol' solvent based paints/stains/varnishes?
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