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New Handheld Technology
« on: February 04, 2017, 01:50 PM »
Big year for Graco. In addition to the new low pressure tips, they are also rolling out a newly designed handheld sprayer in both corded and cordless versions. Think new and better engineered Proshots and Truecoats.

We are just starting testing and will share performance results as gather them.

Always good to have better options coming out in lower price ranges.

Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

More coming soon...

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2017, 02:08 PM »
Scott,

I thought you were going to post some links and photos of some brushes and rollers!

Look forward to the reviews!

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2017, 03:45 PM »
Big year for Graco. In addition to the new low pressure tips, they are also rolling out a newly designed handheld sprayer in both corded and cordless versions. Think new and better engineered Proshots and Truecoats.

We are just starting testing and will share performance results as gather them.

Always good to have better options coming out in lower price ranges.

Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

More coming soon...
You stated in your other thread about the new RAC X FFLP tips that they'll work in any airless, I wonder why does the specs post for all three posted in your article state, Tip Support:  RAC X FFLP tips only?
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2017, 05:02 PM »
Big year for Graco. In addition to the new low pressure tips, they are also rolling out a newly designed handheld sprayer in both corded and cordless versions. Think new and better engineered Proshots and Truecoats.

We are just starting testing and will share performance results as gather them.

Always good to have better options coming out in lower price ranges.

Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

More coming soon...
You stated in your other thread about the new RAC X FFLP tips that they'll work in any airless, I wonder why does the specs post for all three posted in your article state, Tip Support:  RAC X FFLP tips only?

Because these handhelds are engineered and calibrated for use with those tips.

These are airless sprayers.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2017, 06:53 PM »
This looks like another good outcome for me in choosing Dewalt for cordless nailers.

Thanks for the review, I'll be finding ways to get my hands on the cordless versions.

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2017, 08:20 PM »
Because these handhelds are engineered and calibrated for use with those tips.

These are airless sprayers.
Not engineered and calibrated for use with those tips but standard RAXC X "might" be doable in these three.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2017, 08:25 PM »
Because these handhelds are engineered and calibrated for use with those tips.

These are airless sprayers.
Not engineered and calibrated for use with those tips but standard RAXC X "might" be doable in these three.

I have no idea what you are getting at here, Bill.

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2017, 08:37 PM »
I have no idea what you are getting at here, Bill.
Simple, a non FFLP tip "might" still work in these three new handhelds although they aren't engineered to do so.
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2017, 08:41 PM »
I have no idea what you are getting at here, Bill.
Simple, a non FFLP tip "might" still work in these three new handhelds although they aren't engineered to do so.

Sure, a RAC X would probably fit and paint would come out. I can say from lots of time spent with handhelds that they don't need more pressure than recommended. If the mfr recommends that the units are tuned for fflp, that is what I would use.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2017, 05:06 AM »
Scott,

I thought you were going to post some links and photos of some brushes and rollers!

Look forward to the reviews!

Cheers. Bryan.


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Good point, Bryan, we do still use those once in a while!

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2017, 07:29 AM »

Sure, a RAC X would probably fit and paint would come out. I can say from lots of time spent with handhelds that they don't need more pressure than recommended. If the mfr recommends that the units are tuned for fflp, that is what I would use.
If I had one of these I wouldn't hesitate to try that to make the gun more versatile as there is a purpose for a standard RAC X tip.
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2017, 07:36 AM »

Sure, a RAC X would probably fit and paint would come out. I can say from lots of time spent with handhelds that they don't need more pressure than recommended. If the mfr recommends that the units are tuned for fflp, that is what I would use.
If I had one of these I wouldn't hesitate to try that to make the gun more versatile as there is a purpose for a standard RAC X tip.

There are definitely lots of purposes for the standard RAC X.

Feel free to try it out, it won't hurt anything. I will predict that the word "versatile" won't be the first one that pops into your head when you do!

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2017, 09:08 AM »
There are definitely lots of purposes for the standard RAC X.

Feel free to try it out, it won't hurt anything. I will predict that the word "versatile" won't be the first one that pops into your head when you do!
I guess we'll never know unless someone else tries it as I'm not looking for another handheld.  I assume that you mean that it won't work well?  Lets see, you have a RAC X guard, pressure adjustment and even a flow adjustment from what I've read so "unless" its automatic functions cause some problems, it should work as well as any other handheld with RAC X tip.
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2017, 09:14 AM »
There are definitely lots of purposes for the standard RAC X.

Feel free to try it out, it won't hurt anything. I will predict that the word "versatile" won't be the first one that pops into your head when you do!
I guess we'll never know unless someone else tries it as I'm not looking for another handheld.  I assume that you mean that it won't work well?  Lets see, you have a RAC X guard, pressure adjustment and even a flow adjustment from what I've read so "unless" its automatic functions cause some problems, it should work as well as any other handheld with RAC X tip.


Exactly the point, Bill. Previous handhelds have not worked well enough, that is why the technology has been completely redesigned - and engineered to work smoother at lower pressures.

I have been using them since 2010 with RAC X style tips, and even with pressure control on the unit, you would either be throwing paint across the room or experiencing spitting or pulsing patterns.

The set up that you are curious about is exactly what the evolution of handhelds is moving forward from. If you are really curious I will set up a quick demo and show you the difference sometime. Its pretty interesting.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2017, 09:35 AM »
Exactly the point, Bill. Previous handhelds have not worked well enough, that is why the technology has been completely redesigned - and engineered to work smoother at lower pressures.

I have been using them since 2010 with RAC X style tips, and even with pressure control on the unit, you would either be throwing paint across the room or experiencing spitting or pulsing patterns.

The set up that you are curious about is exactly what the evolution of handhelds is moving forward from. If you are really curious I will set up a quick demo and show you the difference sometime. Its pretty interesting.

A comparison video?  I'd like to see that.

I have the Truecoat Pro II but the main issue I had is that the suggested tips put out way too much product and you have to run with it.  Modifying the tip guard so it can use a smaller tip solves that problem.  It has refused to spray a product but that might be solved by straining as this guy in this video suggests and I think you know him.






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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2017, 09:37 AM »
You're on the right track with thought process, Bill. You've just described exactly why the new handhelds are designed to work best with low pressure fine finish tips.  [big grin]

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2017, 10:29 AM »
You're on the right track with thought process, Bill. You've just described exactly why the new handhelds are designed to work best with low pressure fine finish tips.  [big grin]
I stumbled upon this Promo having to do with the new handheld line.
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2017, 02:23 PM »
You're on the right track with thought process, Bill. You've just described exactly why the new handhelds are designed to work best with low pressure fine finish tips.  [big grin]
I stumbled upon this Promo having to do with the new handheld line.

Oh man, I may have to trade in my TrueCoat Plus II. I'm mostly spraying small things when I spray, but I can't keep up with the amount of paint it puts out.
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2017, 02:36 PM »
Scott,

Would the lower pressure and new LP tip allow you to put out less product, translating to less overspray and a more relaxed application rate?

For the occasional paint grade bookcase/cabinet/door, etc. would this be preferable to an HVLP?

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2017, 02:57 PM »
Oh man, I may have to trade in my TrueCoat Plus II. I'm mostly spraying small things when I spray, but I can't keep up with the amount of paint it puts out.
That's a bit vague!  Trade In means return something but there's no mention of returning anything.  Do they want proof of purchase on the trade in as well?  I sure don't have that.  The web address mentioned in the PDF is there but not fully functional yet.
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2017, 04:12 PM »
Scott,

Would the lower pressure and new LP tip allow you to put out less product, translating to less overspray and a more relaxed application rate?

For the occasional paint grade bookcase/cabinet/door, etc. would this be preferable to an HVLP?

That is the theory, that the product will be more controlled and the fan delivered at a lower pressure than with the previous generations. That is a good improvement. I have been using them since the very first ProShot in 2010 and have done everything from cabinets to exterior trims with the different models. You had to fly with them. Thats a lot of power to have in the palm of your hand.

Preferable to HVLP? That is going to vary from one person to the next. When the handhelds are good and working and maintained correctly, they are easier in some ways to use than HVLP. That is a two edged sword though. They have more power, so on finer tasks the handhelds can demand some technique adjustments from the user. For example, your distance to what you are spraying and your pace will be very different compared to HVLP. With some practice, it is pretty easy to sort out.

With both HVLP and handhelds, you can mess up projects, just in different ways - at different ends of the spectrum. Its a good comparison.

One place that the handheld might get the nod over HVLP among lots of users is in latex primer and paint. It can be difficult for occasional HVLP users to dial in for that.

For me personally, if I had one door to do or one bookcase or small set of shelves in latex, I would probably grab the handheld just because I know I could do it faster.

If it was a more formal piece in oil based clear, HVLP. As with most choices, it depends on the types of tasks and products you tend to be in the most.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2017, 04:37 PM »
Good information. Thanks. I held off with the previous generation for the specific reasons that have now been addressed. The DeWalt battery and ability to use the tips with my 395 will most likely sway me into getting one. I have had my share of struggles with latex and HVLP.

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2017, 04:41 PM »
Good information. Thanks. I held off with the previous generation for the specific reasons that have now been addressed. The DeWalt battery and ability to use the tips with my 395 will most likely sway me into getting one. I have had my share of struggles with latex and HVLP.

I'll keep this thread updated. We will be showing some of our test footage with the new rigs starting next week and will try to make it as clear as possible what the differences are and how they work.

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2017, 11:55 PM »
Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

The page is messed up...getting a page of symbols with Chrome browser...I may have too many tabs open.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2017, 06:30 AM »
Here is a quick glimpse:

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/02/preview-graco-ultra-handheld-sprayers/

The page is messed up...getting a page of symbols with Chrome browser...I may have too many tabs open.
Nope!  Same here but it did work before.
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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2017, 08:21 AM »
Works fine on Safari.

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Works fine on Safari.

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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2017, 09:00 AM »
I've never heard of the phrase ‘hot’ solvent based product. Anyone care to enlighten? What's the difference from good ol' solvent based paints/stains/varnishes?
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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2017, 09:13 AM »
I've never heard of the phrase ‘hot’ solvent based product. Anyone care to enlighten? What's the difference from good ol' solvent based paints/stains/varnishes?
Probably means flammable vs combustible.
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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2017, 11:12 AM »
I've never heard of the phrase ‘hot’ solvent based product. Anyone care to enlighten? What's the difference from good ol' solvent based paints/stains/varnishes?

Probably means post catalyzed, I'm not sure. See paragraph #3.

http://www.ronbryze.com/finishing_information/CatalyzedFinishes.pdf

Like setting type drywall compounds are called "hot mud".

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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2017, 05:31 PM »
I'd probably take it to mean any product that I wouldn't atomize and stand with a flame next to.

From the Graco website (and just my own interpretation):


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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2017, 06:42 AM »
This is my written overview of the 2017 Graco handhelds. It includes a video shot by Tools of the Trade at JLC Live this year.

Thought I would share here in case members were curious about it.

Happy to answer questions about it.

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/05/graco-ultra-handheld-airless-sprayer/

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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2017, 09:17 AM »
This is my written overview of the 2017 Graco handhelds.
Thought I would share here in case members were curious about it.

Happy to answer questions about it.

http://topcoatreview.com/2017/05/graco-ultra-handheld-airless-sprayer/

Thanks for the informative review Scott.  [big grin]  Every operation with this new gun seems to be simplified and easier to perform.

I have a Binks HVLP setup but it's a PITA to use for small projects, so I usually bring out the brush, roller or worse yet, the rattle can. I would expect this gun to cover 70-80% of my finishing needs.   [cool]

Interested in your thoughts on overspray and bounce back?

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2017, 09:31 AM »
Nice upgrade!  I have the previous model and these are all nice improvements.  How is cleaning this gun, Scott?

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New Handheld Technology
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2017, 10:12 AM »
I have heard a lot of great things about these spray guns. They seem like the perfect thing to take along to refinish kitchen cabinets on site.
 My only concern is, are they capable of spraying todays latex primers and paints? Like SW wall&wood or ProClassic without a huge amount of thinning


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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2017, 11:57 AM »
My only concern is, are they capable of spraying todays latex primers and paints? Like SW wall&wood or ProClassic without a huge amount of thinning

Zero thinning required.
These airless guns are designed to spray this stuff or rather this paint is designed to be sprayed with an airless, and it leaves an amazing finish.
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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2017, 12:28 PM »
Thanks for the feedback and questions.

No thinning required. In the video, I am shooting unthinned acrylic (ProClassic I believe).

Below is another vid showing more of a vertical demo with unthinned latex.

Cleaning is real easy with the new liners. You can just toss them (they are inexpensive) or clean them out easily. One quick flush of about a half cup gets the pump clean, then just clean tip.




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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2017, 12:29 PM »
Oh man, I may have to trade in my TrueCoat Plus II. I'm mostly spraying small things when I spray, but I can't keep up with the amount of paint it puts out.
That's a bit vague!  Trade In means return something but there's no mention of returning anything.  Do they want proof of purchase on the trade in as well?  I sure don't have that.  The web address mentioned in the PDF is there but not fully functional yet.

I took it to mean he is going to sell it off, when I say time to trade up that's what I am talking about. To ebay or the forum the stuff goes.
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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2017, 12:43 PM »
Oh man, I may have to trade in my TrueCoat Plus II. I'm mostly spraying small things when I spray, but I can't keep up with the amount of paint it puts out.
That's a bit vague!  Trade In means return something but there's no mention of returning anything.  Do they want proof of purchase on the trade in as well?  I sure don't have that.  The web address mentioned in the PDF is there but not fully functional yet.

I took it to mean he is going to sell it off, when I say time to trade up that's what I am talking about. To ebay or the forum the stuff goes.

There is a trade in credit that I know many users have taken advantage of. Check with your local dealer.

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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2017, 01:11 PM »
Oh man, I may have to trade in my TrueCoat Plus II. I'm mostly spraying small things when I spray, but I can't keep up with the amount of paint it puts out.
The tip guard on a TCPII can be modified to use "any" RAC X spray tip.  I do have two of the new FFLP tips but haven't tried them in my modified TCPII yet.

One thing about this new line is there isn't any option to use a 1 gallon pressure pot like Graco offered on the TCPII and other models so it's either small jobs or swap with spare cups.
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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2017, 01:15 PM »
Oh man, I may have to trade in my TrueCoat Plus II. I'm mostly spraying small things when I spray, but I can't keep up with the amount of paint it puts out.
The tip guard on a TCPII can be modified to use "any" RAC X spray tip.  I do have two of the new FFLP tips but haven't tried them in my modified TCPII yet.

One thing about this new line is there isn't any option to use a 1 gallon pressure pot like Graco offered on the TCPII and other models so it's either small jobs or swap with spare cups.

I don't think it is a good idea to recommend tip saddle modification. These sprayers are under a lot of pressure and it is really not worth the risk of an oopsie moment. Injection wounds are miserable. The tips on the previous generations were fine, they were just not interchangeable with other types of sprayers. That is the big difference now.

Correct on the backpack, it has been discontinued. Apparently there were not enough users interested in the option. Kind of makes sense.

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2017, 03:00 PM »
I don't think it is a good idea to recommend tip saddle modification. These sprayers are under a lot of pressure and it is really not worth the risk of an oopsie moment. Injection wounds are miserable. The tips on the previous generations were fine, they were just not interchangeable with other types of sprayers. That is the big difference now.

Correct on the backpack, it has been discontinued. Apparently there were not enough users interested in the option. Kind of makes sense.
Not much different than using any other airless sprayer.  I've received shots using a needle-less high pressure inoculation gun in the military.  That guy kind-of butcher his up!

The original YouTube video of the mod from a painter in the UK eliminated the locking feature of the spray tips but I only removed the plastic from the right side(viewed from the top) keeping the lock feature.

Using a little bit of PVC pipe, one can make a remote pot of any size cup as their BackPack PP use the same thread as their cups, just need a shorter pickup tube which sure lightens the load on the wrist(I watch you guys supporting the cup with a free hand).  I've got a setup to use a TCPII with a 2 1/2 gallon pressure pot.
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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2017, 03:17 PM »
That is all well and good, Bill. But still, it is irresponsible where pressurized fluids are being atomized.

In this day and age, it is not necessary to frankenstein things and risk a problem that could result in injury.

The last thing I want is for someone less experienced and capable than you seem to be, to go and do a modification that you recommend on a thread on the FOG and have an injury result.

Unfortunately, if people see or hear something on the internet, they assume it is a safe and acceptable practice. Modifying tip guards isn't...even if a painter from the UK did it on youtube and you liked the idea.

We can agree, or we can agree to disagree on that...but it is most important that safe spraying be a priority for folks.
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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2017, 05:56 PM »
Scott - on cleaning.  My gun is typically a mess from overspray.  I have even held it with my hand and the gun in a large plastic freezer bag and cut out the corner for the tip to make cleaning the gun easier.

Curious if you had that experience with your old Graco, and if this one does a better job of reducing overspray back on the gun.

I first rented them from Home Depot and ended up buying one.  But the guy at Home Depot always complained that cleaning them up was a pain and I found the same thing on my rented and owned one.

Thanks!

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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2017, 06:20 PM »
Scott - on cleaning.  My gun is typically a mess from overspray.  I have even held it with my hand and the gun in a large plastic freezer bag and cut out the corner for the tip to make cleaning the gun easier.

Curious if you had that experience with your old Graco, and if this one does a better job of reducing overspray back on the gun.

I first rented them from Home Depot and ended up buying one.  But the guy at Home Depot always complained that cleaning them up was a pain and I found the same thing on my rented and owned one.

Thanks!

Hey Neil

A lot of that (how messy the gun gets) has to do with technique. The amount of overspray that we create is often a reflection of our trigger engagement habits. Think of every pass you do as having an entry and exit. In other words, on the "turnarounds" (the in between moves of each pass), coming off the trigger right at the end of each pass instead of staying engaged during the turnaround radically reduces overspray. That is just one example. We also recommend taking a quick moment during the spray session to put a wet tooth brush and rag treatment on the gun. It is easier to clean before it cakes up.

That said, there is always cleaning to do. On larger pump based machines, cleaning the pump takes much more time than cleaning the gun. Gun cleaning is pretty quick and easy. On a 395 sized pump with a g40 gun, it is about 20 minutes including pulling all 3 filters and the inlet tube and ball valve assembly.

We have to keep in mind how much time spraying saves us over brushing or other methods. I will gladly put 20-30 minutes into cleaning because I am getting better results in my finish so much faster.

Cleaning the handheld sprayers takes about 10 minutes typically.

Here's a time lapse of a full on cleaning of a 395:


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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2017, 09:09 PM »
That is all well and good, Bill. But still, it is irresponsible where pressurized fluids are being atomized.

In this day and age, it is not necessary to frankenstein things and risk a problem that could result in injury.

The last thing I want is for someone less experienced and capable than you seem to be, to go and do a modification that you recommend on a thread on the FOG and have an injury result.

Unfortunately, if people see or hear something on the internet, they assume it is a safe and acceptable practice. Modifying tip guards isn't...even if a painter from the UK did it on youtube and you liked the idea.

We can agree, or we can agree to disagree on that...but it is most important that safe spraying be a priority for folks.
If that were the case there'd be no such thing as R&D these days!

Using the standard tips/guards of .015" or .017", unless the object is small, better have your track shoes on, it's that or you'll end up with runs.  The tips are the same O.D. so there's no issue, I've done it, used it and using a .013" is much better.

We come from different camps, you are supplied with new products to try, don't have the time what I do, much of which requires some machining mostly metal lathe work.  The tip guard mod only requires a sharp pocket but I guess one could stab themselves but one can do that while cutting a thick steak too.  Lastly, if it wasn't safe to operate, I wouldn't suggest it.
Bill
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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2017, 07:32 AM »
Bill

It is not so much the act of cutting the tip guard to modify it to receive tips it was not designed for that is dangerous...it is the risk of users pulling the trigger with an improperly fitted tip barrel and the potential for injection wounds as a result that is not something to advocate on a forum.

If you enjoy noodling around and playing engineer, that is great. It is not recommended in real life in the spray world.

If you choose to continue this discussion, please pm me or start a thread of your own to discuss tip modifications.

It would be nice if we could keep this thread on track.

Thanks!
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2017, 08:24 AM »
Scott,

Thank you for the thread.  As someone who does work in the 1 gallon to 2 gallon range I find this interesting - and tempting.

Did you have a chance to test the model that can spray hot finishes?  If so, can you share any experiences / knowledge?

Peter

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« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2017, 08:45 AM »
Scott,

Thank you for the thread.  As someone who does work in the 1 gallon to 2 gallon range I find this interesting - and tempting.

Did you have a chance to test the model that can spray hot finishes?  If so, can you share any experiences / knowledge?

Peter

Thanks Peter.

No, we have not used that version yet. We don't do much hot solvent based finishing...

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Re: New Handheld Technology
« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2017, 11:07 AM »
Thanks Scott!  I actually bought the corded one after seeing your plug for the FFLP tips earlier this year.  For small punch list stuff, this looks like it will work out nicely without creating the mess and fuss that goes with airless.  For slightly larger jobs, it sound like it might be helpful to have a few containers on tap so you can quickly swap?

Hopefully I'll be able to put it to use in the next couple weeks.  I think Graco is throwing in 2-4 extra tips until the end of June depending on which model you get (normally ~$30 ea.). 
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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2017, 11:10 AM »
I checked with my local S/W dealer and he gave me pricing but the Max will not be available until June.  He was told that they were over sold, however they do not seem to be available anywhere yet.

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« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2017, 01:24 PM »
For slightly larger jobs, it sound like it might be helpful to have a few containers on tap so you can quickly swap?

Nevermind, I saw you covered this topic around 16:00 in the video you posted yesterday. 
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« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2017, 11:11 PM »
Purchased the Graco cordless ultra a few weeks ago. Primed and painted (pro classic) a few doors since then and was really happy with the finish. The Dewalt batts are great and nice to have for my other cordless tools. Easy clean-up and no cord!!

Thanks for the info on the unit Scott, my experience with it was in line with your review. Two thumbs up.