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Offline JCLP

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Sample door for Client
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:06 AM »
Just a sample of a sample door for a client. This has 2 coats of primer and sanded smooth as glass with 320 grit. Primer used is Duralaq Undercoater. Door built with MDF.
The profile was done using Freud 99-264 rail and stile set.
The other day when I went out to purchase this set, I saw it at Rona, big box store like Home Depot, for $109.00. To my surprise, when I went to pay, the cashier told me that it was on clearance for $27.99. Both of us were very surprised. So I went to another Rona store and picked up 2 more sets. Bought 3 sets for less then one.

Cheers,
JC

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Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 09:23 AM »
Nice looking door.  I guess Rona marks clearance items across all of its stores.  My local Home Depot had Bessey Clamps on clearance last year, but to my surprise it varies from store to store.  I still regret not buying the 2 clamps that they had left  [crying].

What are you going to do with the extra sets?  Keep them for backups?
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Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 10:33 AM »
Nice looking door.  I guess Rona marks clearance items across all of its stores.  My local Home Depot had Bessey Clamps on clearance last year, but to my surprise it varies from store to store.  I still regret not buying the 2 clamps that they had left  [crying].

What are you going to do with the extra sets?  Keep them for backups?

I bought extras incase I send one pair out for sharpening during a project. Also, in the past I have drop bits on the concrete floor. Plus it was a great deal.

Cheers,
JC

Offline escan

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 10:35 AM »
Are you spraying your doors in the horizontal position? I was wondering about the vertical hang on the duralaq, I use Target pigmented primer and I get sags unless I go 3 coats or more.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2018, 10:40 AM »
Oh yeah - sharpening duh.  I didn't think about that!  I imagine the MDF is rough on the cutting edge.

It is hard to pass up on buying something when it is such a good deal!
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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2018, 07:10 AM »
That is a nice bit of work and excellent finish. The stile and rail profile cutter is very nice.

Peter

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2018, 07:33 AM »
Nice job JC.

Tom

Offline PaulH99

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 11:11 AM »
Beautiful! I'm about to embark on my HVLP adventures. I hope I'm able to get results half as nice!
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Offline Ves

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2018, 12:16 PM »
Looks good man

Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 01:46 PM »
Thanks everyone for the compliments. Unfortunately the client did not like the profile. She said it had too many ridges and that it would be hard to clean. So, door style number 4 in now glueing up.


Cheers,
JC

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2018, 07:32 PM »
JC, are you getting compensated for the mock ups? If not you should be.

Tom

Offline neilc

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2018, 08:42 PM »
Really??  That's a classic simple profile.  A timeless look.  You'll get to use it again even if not with this client.

Great finish on that piece!

Thanks everyone for the compliments. Unfortunately the client did not like the profile. She said it had too many ridges and that it would be hard to clean. So, door style number 4 in now glueing up.


Cheers,
JC


Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2018, 08:59 AM »
Okay. So the client didn't like the first one as there were too many ridges. so here is another one with a bevelled profile and no ridges.
This is one coat of primer sanded smooth with 320 grit. Hopefully she likes it.
Cheers,
JC

Offline PaulH99

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2018, 09:09 AM »
Looks nice and clean! Did you make the bevel using a "Shaker" style router bit or something else?
-Paul
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Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2018, 11:55 AM »
Looks nice and clean! Did you make the bevel using a "Shaker" style router bit or something else?
Thank you. The second door was done with Freud 99-762 Rail and Stile set.

Cheers,
JC

Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2018, 11:57 AM »
So the client saw this new door and she didn't like as it looks to shakerish. She chose the first profile I posted.
Now the project starts.

Cheers,
JC

Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2018, 11:59 AM »
Incase anyone is interested, the doors are made from MDF and primed with Duralaq undercoater. Love this primer and it's my go to for now.
Ready to spray out of the can. Sprayed with Fuji Q5 at full power, 1.3mm needle and cap, no thinning and using the PPS system. After 2 hours, give a light sanding with 320 grit and your ready to go.

Cheers,
JC

Offline toadjeep

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2018, 12:12 PM »
Are you prepping the routed edges of the MDF in any way before you spray or does the primer do a good job of that?

Offline JYip

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2018, 04:20 AM »
My past experience with using a water based primer on raw mdf is that it will raise the “grain” on the surface of the mdf causing tiny bumps (almost like goosebumps). The edges will not seal despite the amount of coats I put unless I “seal” the edges first with something like joint compound or bondo. I was left with no choice but to use oil/solvent based primer like Zinsser coverstain. Can you share your experience and what you did to solve these issues? Thanks

Jeff

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2018, 04:25 AM »
My past experience with using a water based primer on raw mdf is that it will raise the “grain” on the surface of the mdf causing tiny bumps (almost like goosebumps). The edges will not seal despite the amount of coats I put unless I “seal” the edges first with something like joint compound or bondo. I was left with no choice but to use oil/solvent based primer like Zinsser coverstain. Can you share your experience and what you did to solve these issues? Thanks

Jeff

I did not have that problem with 18 mm MDF. I sanded the edges down to 180 grit. Applied my silk acrylic, let it dry and sanded again at 240 grit. Then did a final coat.



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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2018, 08:03 AM »
I use SW KA+ Surfacer on MDF edges without any prep to the edges. No issues with raising.

Tom

Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2018, 08:32 AM »
Are you prepping the routed edges of the MDF in any way before you spray or does the primer do a good job of that?
I just sand the edges with 150 to get them smooth, spray the primer, snad with 320 grit or 240 and as long as you spray the recommended wet mils you will be good to go for paint.

Cheers,
JC
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Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2018, 08:36 AM »
My past experience with using a water based primer on raw mdf is that it will raise the “grain” on the surface of the mdf causing tiny bumps (almost like goosebumps). The edges will not seal despite the amount of coats I put unless I “seal” the edges first with something like joint compound or bondo. I was left with no choice but to use oil/solvent based primer like Zinsser coverstain. Can you share your experience and what you did to solve these issues? Thanks

Jeff

Yes. I have had that issue with other primers. Any primer will raise the "grain" to some extent but I found the Duralaq Undercoater did a great job especially when you sand it with 320 grit after 2 hours of drying. Make sure you spray on the recommended wet mils. Don't spray too thin.

Cheers,
JC
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Offline toadjeep

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2018, 05:17 PM »
Thanks for the good info. @JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2018, 11:04 AM »
What are you using to sand these? 

I've been looking at the Supermax brush/drum sander that they claim will do raised panel doors, curious how well that would work on profiles like that.

Offline JCLP

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2018, 02:51 PM »
What are you using to sand these? 

I've been looking at the Supermax brush/drum sander that they claim will do raised panel doors, curious how well that would work on profiles like that.
Before priming I use the DTS400 with 220 grit granat, as mdf is already sanded to 150. Once primed I use a sanding pad with 320 grit and hand sand the profiles by hand using foam backed paper, also 320 grit.
Cheers,
JC

Offline Alan G

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2018, 04:51 PM »
This has 2 coats of primer and sanded smooth as glass with 320 grit. Primer used is Duralaq Undercoater. Door built with MDF.

Are you using the Duralaq-WB or the Nitrocellulose Duralaq?
How dark of a color can they tint the top coat? You are getting at a local BM store?

So glad to see you got your spraying issues resolved. That door looks great! Nice work!

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2018, 05:47 PM »
What are you using to sand these? 

I've been looking at the Supermax brush/drum sander that they claim will do raised panel doors, curious how well that would work on profiles like that.

The SM does raise panels very well. There is a learning curve to get the brush height correct. What you think correct usually isn’t, the brush expands slightly when it spins up.

1200 CFM dust collection or higher is a must.

Tom

Offline JYip

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Re: Sample door for Client
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2018, 01:27 PM »
My past experience with using a water based primer on raw mdf is that it will raise the “grain” on the surface of the mdf causing tiny bumps (almost like goosebumps). The edges will not seal despite the amount of coats I put unless I “seal” the edges first with something like joint compound or bondo. I was left with no choice but to use oil/solvent based primer like Zinsser coverstain. Can you share your experience and what you did to solve these issues? Thanks

Jeff

Yes. I have had that issue with other primers. Any primer will raise the "grain" to some extent but I found the Duralaq Undercoater did a great job especially when you sand it with 320 grit after 2 hours of drying. Make sure you spray on the recommended wet mils. Don't spray too thin.

Cheers,
JC

So the Duralaq does raise the grain then? Sounds like you just sprayed on a thicker coat to deal with this issue? In my experience, you can feel the raised grain "bumps" with your fingernail so I'm not sure if thicker coats can cover them up but maybe I'll give it a try. Thanks

Jeff