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Offline denovo

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2016, 03:52 PM »

I always find that the best system is the one that solves todays problem. If you are spraying latex paint on trim today, get over your battery phobia and get the fine finish machine. Those batteries charge extremely fast and the give away from Graco gives you an extra one, so you get three batteries. If you are spraying clear coat today and Kem Aqua next week an HVLP with a turbine with or without a pressure pot will work. If you have a bunch of shop spraying to do get the AAA. At a maximum of 1500 psi, I suspect that there is little these units can't atomize and make you look good.
Tim

Fair enough, you are probably correct.  I phoned a few places and it seems Sherwin Williams has the best price on the ProShot Fine Finish sprayer with 5 free tips instead of an extra battery.  Can you recommend some tips that you use the most to get started?

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Offline denovo

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2016, 03:59 PM »
I know that's an impossible question to answer but at the end of the day I'm going to be doing a lot of experimenting (on scrap trim) over the holidays so a starting point will help.

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2016, 05:14 PM »
Fair enough, you are probably correct.  I phoned a few places and it seems Sherwin Williams has the best price on the ProShot Fine Finish sprayer with 5 free tips instead of an extra battery.  Can you recommend some tips that you use the most to get started?

I believe the 312 and 212 come with the machine.
They will be a good start to spray trim but @Scott Burt can advise as he has more experience. The 312 sprays a 6-8" fan and the 212 sprays a 4-6" fan. I set the pressure control dial at 3/4 for latex paint, and the motor speed at I vs II.
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Offline wptski

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2016, 07:15 PM »
I believe the 312 and 212 come with the machine.
They will be a good start to spray trim but @Scott Burt can advise as he has more experience. The 312 sprays a 6-8" fan and the 212 sprays a 4-6" fan. I set the pressure control dial at 3/4 for latex paint, and the motor speed at I vs II.
Tim
Product sheet states speed one for lower flow, speed two for higher flow yet spray tips are rated by GPM or flow rate.

Looked at the instructions for this sprayer and no mention about controlling flow with the speed selection, it states to select the speed to achieve an acceptable spray pattern and the low speed increases battery life.  Whoever wrote the sales brochure didn't read the instructions it seems.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2016, 08:08 AM by wptski »
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Offline mwinfield83

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2016, 08:56 PM »
If using smaller quantities of materials with the FP 395 check into the hopper accessory. I like it better than the standard pickup syphon tube because it makes it easier to get the last of paint into the sprayer. 


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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2016, 12:21 PM »

Product sheet states speed one for lower flow, speed two for higher flow yet spray tips are rated by GPM or flow rate.

The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute. These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

Looked at the instructions for this sprayer and no mention about controlling flow with the speed selection, it states to select the speed to achieve an acceptable spray pattern and the low speed increases battery life.  Whoever wrote the sales brochure didn't read the instructions it seems.

This is a typical complaint about all instruction manuals. Gotta use the tool to understand it. No one will read or really wants a telphone book instruction manual. Sales brochures should always be viewed as useful introduction but too general for specific applications.
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Offline wptski

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2016, 12:52 PM »
The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute.

Anything to do with spraying a material is a guide.

These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.
RAC X fine finish tips can be used on any RAC X guard even a Truecoat Pro II with a modified guard and maybe Truecoat Plus models as well.

The limiting factor of tip size is the GPM that the supply pump can put out and you're better off staying below that maximum size a bit.
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Offline Scott Burt

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2016, 05:49 PM »

Product sheet states speed one for lower flow, speed two for higher flow yet spray tips are rated by GPM or flow rate.

The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute. These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

Looked at the instructions for this sprayer and no mention about controlling flow with the speed selection, it states to select the speed to achieve an acceptable spray pattern and the low speed increases battery life.  Whoever wrote the sales brochure didn't read the instructions it seems.

This is a typical complaint about all instruction manuals. Gotta use the tool to understand it. No one will read or really wants a telphone book instruction manual. Sales brochures should always be viewed as useful introduction but too general for specific applications.
Tim
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Very good points. Product drives the whole thing about tip size and pressure needs. I always tell people to focus on the fan more than anything. Technique comes into play as well.

There is nothing more valuable than time on the tools...as with any type of tool technology.

Hope you all are having a good holiday season.

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2016, 06:01 PM »
The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute. These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

My mistake. There are only eight seven tips available (with integrated guard) for the Proshot FineFinish. They maybe able to be used on the other machines but the Proshot FineFinish only accepts these.


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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2016, 07:46 PM »
The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute. These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

My mistake. There are only eight seven tips available (with integrated guard) for the Proshot FineFinish. They maybe able to be used on the other machines but the Proshot FineFinish only accepts these.

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There is a 512 and 612 plus a series of x14 tips but maybe the 14's are beyond its GPM pump limit.
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Offline Scott Burt

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2016, 11:42 AM »
The chart above is for the fine finish tips.

The regular RAC style tips, which are odd numbered, work effectively on the handheld units with higher orifice sizes. We have used 515's regularly on the Pro Shot. It has plenty of power to move heavier viscosity products through that orifice size. The high end of the power band has no issues. Over the years, its evolution has been more challenged to harness it down to lower pressures and flow needs for finer finishing. This technology is entering its 7th year and I am expecting some big improvements in it over the next year or two.


Offline wptski

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2016, 01:13 PM »
The chart above is for the fine finish tips.

The regular RAC style tips, which are odd numbered, work effectively on the handheld units with higher orifice sizes. We have used 515's regularly on the Pro Shot. It has plenty of power to move heavier viscosity products through that orifice size. The high end of the power band has no issues. Over the years, its evolution has been more challenged to harness it down to lower pressures and flow needs for finer finishing. This technology is entering its 7th year and I am expecting some big improvements in it over the next year or two.
RAC X blue colored are odd numbered 211, 213, etc.  The RAC X green colored fine finish or FF tips are the even numbered or 208, 210, etc.

Using the blue spray tips in the Pro Shot Fine Finish is more or less like using the FF tips in a Truecoat Pro II, it works.
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Offline Scott Burt

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2016, 06:19 PM »
I called my local Sherwin Williams just blocks from me and they don't even have the Graco GX19 in their system to order.

I found O-Gee paint in FL, their website showing 'call for availability'. Armando was great on the phone, receipt emailed instantly, will be drop shipped from Graco. Have plenty of projects in 2017 where I can use the GX19, and it should be faster to lay down paint than my Fuji setup.

Thats odd. Should be available through any SW. Wonder if you got the new guy behind the counter.

Glad you were able to source it. Great little rig.

Offline rnt80

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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2016, 07:23 AM »
Scott, how loud is the gx19?


My company runs the GX19 and the 395 Finish Pro II, among others.

The GX19 is new this year, and we have been testing it for 18 months. It is a great cost effective alternative to air assisted, at about 1/3 the price of a FPII.

It depends on the frequency of use and typical quantities involved when choosing between the two. The FPII is obviously the best around.

But it is good to have a value option.

Here is our review of the GX:

http://topcoatreview.com/2016/10/graco-gx-19/
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Re: Spray finish setup
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2016, 08:47 AM »
If you're interested in getting a pump through SW I'd recommend that you talk to your rep. If you have a commercial account you're automatically assigned a rep, even if you don't know who they are.

They can help you with pricing in your pump and you should also talk to them about pricing on any SW paints you might be using.


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