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Offline Rob-GB

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2010, 12:28 PM »
Firstly very sorry to hear of you loss, secondly why not post the serial numbers here? That way if any UK foggers get offered some cheap Festools we can check them.
I do not believe any member here would knowingly buy stolen property, most of us are like you, using the tools to pay our way in the world.

As an aside... I think that anyone who steals a persons means of earning a living should be consigned to an offshore island with no tools, preferably in a flippin cold and wet climate!
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Offline Neill

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2010, 12:58 PM »
Firstly very sorry to hear of you loss, secondly why not post the serial numbers here? That way if any UK foggers get offered some cheap Festools we can check them.
I do not believe any member here would knowingly buy stolen property, most of us are like you, using the tools to pay our way in the world.

As an aside... I think that anyone who steals a persons means of earning a living should be consigned to an offshore island with no tools, preferably in a flippin cold and wet climate!
Rob.

Rob,

While I agree with the gist of your post, I have a few additional thoughts...

I think your idea of punishment is way too easy.  I am not certain what it should be, but Tom's post mentioning UNIX brings to mind a few ideas.

The other thing is, why confine the punishment to only thieves of one's livelihood?  What about those who steal one's method of transportation, a family treasure, or the ultimate, the life of a loved one?  Maybe I have gone off the deep end here a bit.  Sorry!

The real important thing is that Woodentop recovers from this without significant emotional or financial damage.

Neill

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Offline joiner1970

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2010, 01:19 PM »
Hi Wooden top sorry to hear your problems. What van do you have always interested to know for future reference. I always worry about mine even though I have most security features but you hear lots of stories now of scum ripping whole doors off vans  [eek] to get in.

At the job I was on today they breed South African boerboels they are dogs that apparently 2 of them could kill a lion  [eek] these things are massive would love to keep one of those in the van to give these scum a surprise.

Offline Chris Meggersee

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2010, 02:23 PM »
Hi Wooden top sorry to hear your problems. What van do you have always interested to know for future reference. I always worry about mine even though I have most security features but you hear lots of stories now of scum ripping whole doors off vans  [eek] to get in.

At the job I was on today they breed South African boerboels they are dogs that apparently 2 of them could kill a lion  [eek] these things are massive would love to keep one of those in the van to give these scum a surprise.

Here is a nice illustration of the size of what Joiner1970 is talking about. :D

Anyway if you guys ever get a system running with stolen tool ID please let me know. A while a go they broke into my workshop and stole a TS55 and a CDD drill. :/ After that I made the workshop a fortress. Hasn't happened since.
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Offline Notorious T.O.D.

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2010, 04:42 PM »
Sucks to loose all your hard earned tools.  Perhaps you should work for consealed carry of guns and the law allowing the shooting of fleeing felons.  Crime is in fact just another business and reacts to the regulatory environment for that business.

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Offline Alex

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2010, 04:57 PM »
Crime is in fact just another business and reacts to the regulatory environment for that business.

Is that why the United States has 6 times as much prisoners as the average of all other nations?

Offline Corwin

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2010, 05:21 PM »
...  Perhaps you should work for consealed carry of guns and the law allowing the shooting of fleeing felons.  Crime is in fact just another business and reacts to the regulatory environment for that business.
Is that why the United States has 6 times as much prisoners as the average of all other nations?

Hmmm.....  Maybe if our law did allow for the shooting of fleeing felons, our prisons wouldn't be as full as they are today.   [blink]  

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« Last Edit: September 16, 2010, 05:24 PM by Corwin »
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline harry_

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2010, 07:16 PM »
Thats why I suggested google docs, you could be the custodian and update (e.g. at least the 8500 FOG members would know where to go), and everyone would have access to a searchable spreadsheet.. here is an example of a google ss
https://spreadsheets.google.com/

Yeah, I'm familiar with Google Docs. Another concern is privacy. Don't you think members would be concerned about entered confidential information like name, address, email address, phone number, tool serial number and other information in a public location?  There's got to be a way to contact someone who's tool(s) are stolen.  Matt, would you mind creating a spreadsheet that could be used and we'll bounce it off members and see what the feedback is? I think a web-based solution would definitely offer a lot of benefits.

Shane,

if for Festool or the FOG were to 'sponsor' something like this, the FOG server software should already have database hooks. You just be able to just add (default hidden) fields to our profile page(s) for:

model number
serial number

a checkbox for "flag as stolen".
A checkbox for "publish theft" (to announce to FOG members to be on the look out for)
a checkbox for "flag as sold"

where purchased
when purchased

so far it would be completely anonymous and could be made to work with the server engine messaging system.

to go it a step further, additional fields could be added for:

name
address
phone #

Festool owns the FOG as a tangible entity, Festool also (should) have our personal information for warranty purposes. I would also bet that the service department at Festool enters a serial number of a tool into the system prior to repair. It seems to me that all the data is for the most part, collected already. It is just a matter of getting the dots connected without openly publishing private data, which shouldn't be that hard.

If I am not mistaken, separately,  these have been 2 of your 'pet projects'. If they could shake hands with one another it would be awesome!

I would offer to assist, but unfortunately I am lost in PHP, which is what I think the server software is run in. If it can be done in PERL, I can give it a go. It would give me something to do in between screwing off and doing nothing  [laughing]
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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2010, 09:01 PM »
Harry, you make it seem very simple. First, I'm not a PHP programmer either and only know enough to do the most basic coding. I've been able to fumble my way through some of the code in the past to make some basic changes. I'm not familiar enough with the complexities of the forum code to tackle this task. I'm not sure that I have the know-how needed to pull off what you're proposing. Maybe you can port the forum software over to PERL for us.  [wink]

Offline harry_

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2010, 09:08 PM »
Is the warranty/service database in MySQL?

would you be able to provide me some data. (not content, but fields)

you realize this could take me nearly an eternity [scared]
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Offline atomicmike

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2010, 01:12 AM »
I don't have any PHP experience, but I do spend far too much of my day with ASP.NET, C#, and MS SQL. If I can be of any assistance, I'd be delighted.

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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2010, 07:49 AM »
Crime is in fact just another business and reacts to the regulatory environment for that business.

Is that why the United States has 6 times as much prisoners as the average of all other nations?

No, it's that we have six times as many screw-ups who would rather do something dishonest than work for a living. 
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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2010, 08:24 AM »
Crime is in fact just another business and reacts to the regulatory environment for that business.

Is that why the United States has 6 times as much prisoners as the average of all other nations?

Thats because Europe is to soft! Humans rights! We let every one go. 

Well in the UK now you can basically get away with murder you just get few years and slap on the wrist. Should be life 4 a life!

I like the American system 3 minor strikes and your out!
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Offline RL

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2010, 09:41 AM »
Crime is in fact just another business and reacts to the regulatory environment for that business.

Is that why the United States has 6 times as much prisoners as the average of all other nations?

This is a very misleading statistic and one which is happily thrown about in the current global anti-US climate. But it's actually crap.

1/3 of the "prisoners" in the US system are in JAIL (people usually awaiting trial), not PRISON. JAIL and PRISON are very different classifications in the US. The main reason the prison population is higher in the US is because of the harder line taken towards drugs. Once you include these factors, the US and European prison populations are not so far apart.

The average is also heavily skewed by the extremely low percentage in high-population countries such as India.





Offline harry_

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2010, 11:24 PM »
Crime is in fact just another business and reacts to the regulatory environment for that business.

Is that why the United States has 6 times as much prisoners as the average of all other nations?

This is a very misleading statistic and one which is happily thrown about in the current global anti-US climate. But it's actually crap.

1/3 of the "prisoners" in the US system are in JAIL (people usually awaiting trial), not PRISON. JAIL and PRISON are very different classifications in the US. The main reason the prison population is higher in the US is because of the harder line taken towards drugs. Once you include these factors, the US and European prison populations are not so far apart.

The average is also heavily skewed by the extremely low percentage in high-population countries such as India.


So that still makes it 4 times.....

Do you really think a 'bell curve' should be applied to this.

The preceding points still remain. Crime/theft goes up as the economy goes down.


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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2010, 01:58 AM »
Yep, I have read that if marijuana was made legal about 300,000(or 1 out of 6)people(mostly poor) would not be in prison under legalization. Many are not dealers or pushers, etc, so many moderate pot users are in prison using up funds instead of the money being used for other things, it's ridiculous. And if it were legal the dealers would not be in prison either, they would be out of work. One guy is serving 20 years for a 1/2 oz of pot, that is outrages when you consider people with 4 and even more DUI's have never done a day in prison. Plus, three strikes adds another 50,000 probably a lot more(24 states all have different laws so its hard to track) that are in prison that are not dangerous criminals.

Three strikes IS NOT a good thing, google it. Another man is in for life for stealing food for his family and never had never committed a violent crime or ever used any weapons or anything. Common sense must be used. Then I read a woman that killed her daughter by beating her to death with a belt in a violent rage only gets 20 years, what the heck is going on.

In the US jail is for people that have not been judged innocent or guilty (meaning that many are not criminals yet) and awaiting their day for trial.

Prison is for the people that have been judged already.

Not sure what the terms mean in other countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_strikes_law
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 02:12 AM by nickao »
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Offline RL

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2010, 07:19 AM »
I saw this on page 31 of a recent Festool brochure in the Netherlands.

tools for Profit

Gratis diefstalverzekering
voor al uw Festool machines
natuurlijk bent u heel zuinig op uw Festool machines, maar
het zal je maar gebeuren dat iemand je kluskameraad
zomaar meeneemt. De tools for Profit-club voelt met u mee
en helpt u weer snel aan de slag ? een nieuw exemplaar
koopt u dan voor maar ? 50,-.

Roughly translated it means,

Tools for Profit
Free theft insurance
for all your Festool machines
Of course you are very careful with your Festool machines, but
but it will happen that someone comrade job
just with you. The tools for Profit-club feel with you
and helps get you back to work - a new one
then buy for only ? 50, -.

Why can this idea not be extended to North America?





Offline Upscale

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2010, 08:13 AM »
I saw this on page 31 of a recent Festool brochure in the Netherlands.

Of course you are very careful with your Festool machines, but
but it will happen that someone comrade job
just with you. The tools for Profit-club feel with you
and helps get you back to work - a new one
then buy for only ? 50, -.

Why can this idea not be extended to North America?

Maybe there's too high a percentage of theft in the US to make the program viable?   [smile]

Offline RL

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2010, 08:54 AM »
If that was the case you would simply increase the deductible to $100 for example. 

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2010, 09:30 PM »
As an aside... I think that anyone who steals a persons means of earning a living should be consigned to an offshore island with no tools, preferably in a flippin cold and wet climate!
Rob.

Slave labor on Pellew island maybe?
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Offline Rob-GB

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2010, 11:57 PM »
As an aside... I think that anyone who steals a persons means of earning a living should be consigned to an offshore island with no tools, preferably in a flippin cold and wet climate!
Rob.

Slave labor on Pellew island maybe?

I don't think Frank would want oiks like them around his tools, let alone his beautiful retreat.  [big grin] I was thinking more of a windswept, desolate, place where even Ray Mears would get depressed.  ;D

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2010, 12:30 AM »
As an aside... I think that anyone who steals a persons means of earning a living should be consigned to an offshore island with no tools, preferably in a flippin cold and wet climate!
Rob.

Slave labor on Pellew island maybe?

I don't think Frank would want oiks like them around his tools, let alone his beautiful retreat.  [big grin] I was thinking more of a windswept, desolate, place where even Ray Mears would get depressed.  ;D

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Offline Guy Ashley

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2010, 10:04 AM »
Nice one Tom!!! [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Especially SE London near Kent??? [tongue] [tongue]
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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #53 on: September 23, 2010, 04:45 AM »
Hi Wooden top sorry to hear your problems. What van do you have always interested to know for future reference. I always worry about mine even though I have most security features but you hear lots of stories now of scum ripping whole doors off vans  [eek] to get in.

At the job I was on today they breed South African boerboels they are dogs that apparently 2 of them could kill a lion  [eek] these things are massive would love to keep one of those in the van to give these scum a surprise.

Hi there, sorry for the late reply been away so no posts and as mentioned they stole my laptop.
The van is a Renault traffic 2003, there is a weakness on this van in that the rear door handle is held on with screws set in plastic and without going into detail for obviose reasons anyone who has this van should be looking at securing the rear doors imeidiatly.

thanks for the dog thing i've looked them up and my mollys similar size and look

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2010, 05:08 AM »
Nice one Tom!!! [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Especially SE London near Kent??? [tongue] [tongue]

Ray Mears would be at a dead loss, he would be lucky not to have his tent stolen while foriging at tescos for supplies and his trusty knife pickpocketed at the checkout to be used to rob him when he got outside.

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Offline joiner1970

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2010, 01:08 PM »
Hi Wooden top sorry to hear your problems. What van do you have always interested to know for future reference. I always worry about mine even though I have most security features but you hear lots of stories now of scum ripping whole doors off vans  [eek] to get in.

At the job I was on today they breed South African boerboels they are dogs that apparently 2 of them could kill a lion  [eek] these things are massive would love to keep one of those in the van to give these scum a surprise.

Hi there, sorry for the late reply been away so no posts and as mentioned they stole my laptop.
The van is a Renault traffic 2003, there is a weakness on this van in that the rear door handle is held on with screws set in plastic and without going into detail for obviose reasons anyone who has this van should be looking at securing the rear doors imeidiatly.

thanks for the dog thing i've looked them up and my mollys similar size and look

Paul.



A friend of mine had the same van hgis was broken into and the alarm switched off when they broke in  [eek] he didnt even know he had been robbed until he went to get his tools out luckily he had a van vault but he had left his ?700 electrical tester out GONE. Hes got a new one now I dont know if they have fixed the problem in the newer model.

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2011, 06:23 AM »
Bump. Anybody used the red laser app with the iPhone? That thing would be super cool for registering tools. Just scan the bar code, punch in a password or something, and the registry is updated. You can tell I'm a whizz-bang programmer, no?
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Offline JD2720

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2011, 08:27 AM »
Bump. Anybody used the red laser app with the iPhone? That thing would be super cool for registering tools. Just scan the bar code, punch in a password or something, and the registry is updated. You can tell I'm a whizz-bang programmer, no?

Do you know if there is a similar app available for Android Phones?

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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2011, 08:34 AM »
Oh? Do tell!
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Re: Tool theft
« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2011, 10:18 PM »
There MUST be. Do you have an Ebay app? Ebay has red laser built in, it's the button to the right of the search window. Very handy for sorting junk around the house.  [big grin]
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