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Offline Bohdan

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2016, 07:38 PM »
I'll disagree with you on this. A year ago, it was possibly true, but more and more folks at HQ are learning about the FOG and seeing the value. They're paying more and more attention, and I think it's just a matter of time before you see the fruit of that.

But it would be nice if they occasionally announced their presence with a posting.

Offline Kev

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« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2016, 09:28 PM »
I'll disagree with you on this. A year ago, it was possibly true, but more and more folks at HQ are learning about the FOG and seeing the value. They're paying more and more attention, and I think it's just a matter of time before you see the fruit of that.

But it would be nice if they occasionally announced their presence with a posting.

We need a FOG survey with a distinct international perspective ...

What is your country?

Are you happy with you local Festool distributor?

Are you happy with local --- /price?  /range?  /warranty?  /service?  /communication?  /new product launches?  /dealer network?  /training options?  /etc, etc.

There's been an opportunity to gain this insight for years - but it's only of value if there's an inclination to address the issues that are uncovered and I personally feel that there's very little inclination to address issues in the markets where the distributor is a third party (such as Tooltechnic Australia).

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2016, 02:15 AM »
I'll disagree with you on this. A year ago, it was possibly true, but more and more folks at HQ are learning about the FOG and seeing the value. They're paying more and more attention, and I think it's just a matter of time before you see the fruit of that.

But it would be nice if they occasionally announced their presence with a posting.
Very true, over the years I've asked numerous Festool Reps when I have bumped into them if they were aware of the FOG and they all were, why no one from Aus is willing to participate has always been a mystery. But I got the impression that FB was their preferred way of communicating.

Offline Kev

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2016, 03:09 AM »
Very true, over the years I've asked numerous Festool Reps when I have bumped into them if they were aware of the FOG and they all were, why no one from Aus is willing to participate has always been a mystery. But I got the impression that FB was their preferred way of communicating.

They're really not using FB to communicate ... just to mark their territory (if you know what I mean).

Offline mrB

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2016, 03:31 AM »
I think it is painfully obvious that Festool HQ does not have much interest in contributing to the FOG. And Personally i think that is a mistake.

I'll disagree with you on this. A year ago, it was possibly true, but more and more folks at HQ are learning about the FOG and seeing the value. They're paying more and more attention, and I think it's just a matter of time before you see the fruit of that.

Well that is encouraging to hear 
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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2016, 07:59 AM »
A handful of the Aussies have asked about Festool Australia's lack of online activity. This is because Festool is in Australia through an import partner. We don't the same official presence there that we have in countries like the US, UK, France, Germany, etc.

I've told my wife that if Festool decides to build a bigger marketing team in Australia, I'm signing up. She very quickly vetoed that.

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2016, 01:01 PM »
Tell her it's just like Indiana, but with more Kangaroos.
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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2016, 01:48 PM »
I remember the old days when Festool first seriously ramped up its presence in the US and all the tools were new.  I was scrambling to find info on the track saw and the mft and the FOG was the go-to place for that.  About the time I had pretty well figured out how those work, the Domino came along and everything was new and mysterious again, but the FOG came through.

But in the last few years, the new products have been more narrowly useful: the edge bander, the drywall sander, etc - which are all great if thats what you do for a living, but not so much for hobbyists like me.

Hoping for some exciting new tools soon to stoke up the fire again. [big grin]

Offline Kev

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2016, 03:26 PM »
A handful of the Aussies have asked about Festool Australia's lack of online activity. This is because Festool is in Australia through an import partner. We don't the same official presence there that we have in countries like the US, UK, France, Germany, etc.

I've told my wife that if Festool decides to build a bigger marketing team in Australia, I'm signing up. She very quickly vetoed that.

Hey @TylerC I have an alignment problem with my CMS .. do you mind just popping over [big grin]

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2016, 04:26 PM »
Tell her it's just like Indiana, but with more Kangaroos.

And @TylerC  also tell her you will be the head of a new Festo/Festool 'skippy' division in Australia.

« Last Edit: December 29, 2016, 04:31 PM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Arvid

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2016, 06:01 PM »
Only so many people can bleed green and color coordinate there home workshop to look like a giant festool systainer.
The gang who drank the kool aid can jump down the throats of anyone simply saying festool is not the end all be all and many of their products are over priced and unnecessary and simply do not make sense to waste their money on. Ive see nit many times. tool snobbery

Offline ear3

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2016, 09:46 AM »
Yeah, but does it do trim work?


Tell her it's just like Indiana, but with more Kangaroos.

And @TylerC  also tell her you will be the head of a new Festo/Festool 'skippy' division in Australia.


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Offline Zen

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2016, 12:14 PM »
My first post. I did join FOG when I bought my first Festool. FOG has been a wonderful resource; I read and search for all sorts of useful information. Since I have nothing to add at this point, I simple read as a guest, pretty much daily. I imagine others folks use this sight regularly with no need to become a member. Membership is not needed to read and research. So membership might not be growing but usage might be?
Thanks to all of you helpful folks who post and share your insights, talents, and support. You are appreciated.

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2016, 12:31 PM »
I do notice frequently that there are more guests viewing topics then registered users, case in point 3 registered and 7 guests:



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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2016, 01:20 PM »
My participation on Fog dramatically declined few reasons.

1. I became a daddy
2. new topics are often just repeats from old topics.
3. Certain members have not been as active any more which I use to have bant with.
4. Was the final straw when Festool decided to delete old pictures on topics.  This has made many including mine useless and the entire topic might as well be deleted.  I felt whats the point and I now cant be bothered posting any of my jobs/projects on here any more.
5. I feel fog is to slow....if that makes sence? Facebook is much quicker regarding replies and notifications its more mobile friendly   

 
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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2016, 02:52 PM »
@jmbfestool

Congratulations on your fatherhood.   [smile]

You made some great contributions in the past, and to me with others are a significant example of your third point.  [big grin]

Re point 2. Yes I wonder why some do not use the search button.  [eek]

Point 5 is another angst I have, together with drop offs. The other day I made three attempts to answer another members question, being unlogged each time. Others may not have preserved, certainly I was not going to try a fourth time.

« Last Edit: December 31, 2016, 01:16 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Job and Knock

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #76 on: December 30, 2016, 05:48 PM »
Facebook is all very well, but I just wonder how many pros actually have the time to read it all the time? I'm saying this becaue one of my issues is stopping idiot apprentices and labourers spending all their time on social media instead of working, if you give them half  chance. I tried FB a few years back and very quickly grew to hate it. Mybe it's a generational thing, but for every useful post I'd find myself wading through 40 or 50 pieces of utter, nonesensical garbage. At my age life's too short for that!
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Offline Alan m

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #77 on: December 30, 2016, 06:50 PM »
My participation on Fog dramatically declined few reasons.

1. I became a daddy
2. new topics are often just repeats from old topics.
3. Certain members have not been as active any more which I use to have bant with.
4. Was the final straw when Festool decided to delete old pictures on topics.  This has made many including mine useless and the entire topic might as well be deleted.  I felt whats the point and I now cant be bothered posting any of my jobs/projects on here any more.
5. I feel fog is to slow....if that makes sence? Facebook is much quicker regarding replies and notifications its more mobile friendly   

 


i have to agree with jmb
a lot of the older posters and big hitters(post wise ) are not posting.
i looked down through the first few pages of the members that have the most posts. there are 6-7 members that havnt even logged in in the last 12 months some even 24+ months
loads of the top few pages havnt posted in 6-12 months

i dont see any of the  really unique content posters posting like paul marcell, ron wen,qwas, sitting elf,honey do kreg,frank pellow,  etc . even the systainer king seth isnt posting new systainer inserts.

its a shame that jmb isnt posting as much . i really enjyed your work shop and jobs . you do lots of interesting work
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Offline Alan m

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #78 on: December 30, 2016, 06:55 PM »
i dont know what is needed to stop the decline and to turn things around . we need to get the old guys posting again. its the unique stuff that does that. we all get fed up of the same threads over and over . they tent to get left to the new guys to answer.


i think we need monthly compettiions based on jig,techniques, tips etc where there are international prizes . hopefull this will bring in new ideas

cnc secion. its the way forward and it might give something interesting to talk about.
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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #79 on: December 30, 2016, 07:19 PM »
I personally wouldn't worry about doing a numbers game about the user usage. The Forum has changed recently with the loss of some very enthusiastic and gifted contributors. The content they made is still available here. Perhaps in due time new stars will show up that will help fire up forum enthusiasm bring up new ideas and techniques. I'm sure the next wave Fog geniuses is just around the corner..

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #80 on: December 30, 2016, 07:41 PM »
My participation on Fog dramatically declined few reasons.

1. I became a daddy
2. new topics are often just repeats from old topics.
3. Certain members have not been as active any more which I use to have bant with.
4. Was the final straw when Festool decided to delete old pictures on topics.  This has made many including mine useless and the entire topic might as well be deleted.  I felt whats the point and I now cant be bothered posting any of my jobs/projects on here any more.
5. I feel fog is to slow....if that makes sence? Facebook is much quicker regarding replies and notifications its more mobile friendly   

 

Good points. Two quick things:

1. It might just be a semantic argument, but  Festool didn't "decide to delete old photos". It happened shortly before I joined the team, but my understanding is that it was an accident by a new employee. The end result is the same, but it wasn't intentional.

2. A lot of people have said that one problem is that certain old FOG members aren't posting anymore -- and that the solution is to get them to rejoin. With all due respect to those guys, it's a big world. It might be more fruitful to focus on bringing new people into the fold than bringing old users back in.

Offline Alan m

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #81 on: December 31, 2016, 02:59 PM »
i think we need to find out why our older members are not contibution so that we can stop it getting worse. people come and go all the time but i have noticed alot of members over the years come in with great ideas and then stop posting again
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Offline JD2720

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #82 on: December 31, 2016, 03:25 PM »
i think we need to find out why our older members are not contibution so that we can stop it getting worse. people come and go all the time but i have noticed alot of members over the years come in with great ideas and then stop posting again

Did you not read Tyler's post? I read it as Festool wanting the older members gone.

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #83 on: December 31, 2016, 04:01 PM »
i think we need to find out why our older members are not contibution so that we can stop it getting worse. people come and go all the time but i have noticed alot of members over the years come in with great ideas and then stop posting again

Did you not read Tyler's post? I read it as Festool wanting the older members gone.

I don't think Tyler was saying festool doesn't want the old members back, I think he was saying that it is hard for people that may have been slighted or felt attacked to change their minds and return, so it is easier to recruit new members.  I'm sure @TylerC will correct me if I'm off base or needs further clarification.
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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #84 on: December 31, 2016, 04:08 PM »
i think we need to find out why our older members are not contibution so that we can stop it getting worse. people come and go all the time but i have noticed alot of members over the years come in with great ideas and then stop posting again

Did you not read Tyler's post? I read it as Festool wanting the older members gone.

I do not read it this way-----I'm an old guy by the way.

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Offline Alan m

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #85 on: December 31, 2016, 05:21 PM »
i dont read it like that
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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #86 on: December 31, 2016, 05:37 PM »
If you interpreted my statement as "we don't want old FOG members to return," that certainly wasn't my intention.

I'm just saying that I hate the idea that the FOG can't be great unless a specific group of people return. Hopefully they will, but maybe the won't. I think that the FOG can be good regardless.

This thread has been a productive way to end the year. With that, I'm going to lock it tomorrow morning as we kick off a new year of the FOG.
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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #87 on: December 31, 2016, 06:01 PM »


This thread has been a productive way to end the year. With that, I'm going to lock it tomorrow morning as we kick off a new year of the FOG.

With that---Happy New Year everyone.

Tom

Offline Alan m

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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #88 on: December 31, 2016, 06:04 PM »
of course the fog can and hopefully will be great without older members.

but there must be an issue that is causing members to stop posting (its just the old timers that are obvious)

i know myself that things arnt as interesting as they used to be. im putting  hat down to lack of inovative ideas being posted. thats what i look out for when i check in
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Re: New membership numbers on the FOG
« Reply #89 on: December 31, 2016, 08:19 PM »
i think we need to find out why our older members are not contibution so that we can stop it getting worse. people come and go all the time but i have noticed alot of members over the years come in with great ideas and then stop posting again

Did you not read Tyler's post? I read it as Festool wanting the older members gone.

I certainly didn't get that from his comments.
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