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Offline Jaybolishes

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Re: Thumb Up Button with Counter for posts
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2015, 08:58 PM »
Let the fog decide after a vote? I'm indifferent about it.  But I do think it could  encourage more participation from folks. But the negative I see from it would be on controversial topics,  which I think the moderators should  have the ability to remove the like function if it seems needed. 

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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2015, 01:12 AM »
The number of times that a thread is visited is tracked and shown on the thread list page. Sometimes the ratio of visits to comments is over 30 to 1 and so there are a lot of people that are viewing without making any form of contribution. This might encourage a bit more participation.

Depends what you mean by participation. By my experience though in other forums it decreased thread posts which can be viewed both good and bad. The ditto +1 posts annoy some folks so a like feature may reduce them. But it can also lead to complacency, hitting Like isn't much of a contribution unless we're trying to rank answer to questions as happens on some other Q&A sites. Anonymous likes add nothing but a vote popularity contest, I'd want to know who is doing the liking, but it's still lacking now without them saying why. Ultimately it will change the dynamic here, IMO not for the better.

If a dislike button were available I might have been tempted to click it on your post and walk away, but my taking the time to explain myself is far better don't you think?

Thanks Paul, I appreciate the comments and must say that when I posed this question in my opening post I did not realise the down side of such a facility.

When someone opens a thread seeking advice on the best way to do something then the "Like" feature might help him or her judge the opinion of the combined FOG community with people "Liking" whichever suggestion they prefer. In a way there is a sort of facility for this with the voting scheme although that does require the options to be created by the OP.

Peter

Yes, I can see where it would be useful, but imagine it's use in the next 'my Kapex casting doesn't look like the hood on my BMW' thread.
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2015, 01:50 AM »

Yes, I can see where it would be useful, but imagine it's use in the next 'my Kapex casting doesn't look like the hood on my BMW' thread.


You made me look again at the BMW colour chart - the car that I've ordered is grey but slightly darker - phew.   [smile]

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2015, 03:06 AM »

You made me look again at the BMW colour chart - the car that I've ordered is grey but slightly darker - phew.   [smile]

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Re: Thumb Up Button with Counter for posts
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2015, 03:10 AM »
For the discussions regarding the negative aspects of a like button, are they really referring to the negative aspects of the feature, or are they comparing it with forums that have poor etiquette and poor moderation?

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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2015, 03:38 AM »
For the discussions regarding the negative aspects of a like button, are they really referring to the negative aspects of the feature, or are they comparing it with forums that have poor etiquette and poor moderation?

I'm speaking from the experience of a moderator at a web dev/domain investing forum and active participant in similar forums. Where implemented the like/dislike feature ended up being mostly used in controversial topics as opposed to the instructional ones. Of course every community is different, just sharing my observations.
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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2015, 04:05 AM »

You made me look again at the BMW colour chart - the car that I've ordered is grey but slightly darker - phew.   [smile]

Peter

Please tell me there's some Festool green in there somewhere

I may have to look under the hood or maybe on the satnav screen !

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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2015, 06:09 AM »
Don't you mean bonnet Peter  [blink]
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2015, 07:42 AM »
Don't you mean bonnet Peter  [blink]

Of course but Paul G is from the US and so I was giving him the courtesy of using the US name but I drew the line by not starting this sentence with "Och aye" (if you see what I mean - and I hope I spelt it correctly).

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2015, 09:09 AM »
Im from the UK & use UK words.  I don't change my language to suit whatever nationality might be reading.  I know most American words & I'm sure Most Americans know ours.  I treat people like they are intelligent enough to figure out what I'm talking about.  I don't appreciate the "och aye" statement by the way.
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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2015, 09:22 AM »
Im from the UK & use UK words.  I don't change my language to suit whatever nationality might be reading.  I know most American words & I'm sure Most Americans know ours.  I treat people like they are intelligent enough to figure out what I'm talking about.  I don't appreciate the "och aye" statement by the way.

Oops - I do apologise, it was not meant to upset you or anyone else.

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Re: Thumb Up Button with Counter for posts
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2015, 09:28 AM »
Don't you mean bonnet Peter  [blink]

Of course but Paul G is from the US and so I was giving him the courtesy of using the US name but I drew the line by not starting this sentence with "Och aye" (if you see what I mean - and I hope I spelt it correctly).

Peter

I appreciate the thoughtfulness Peter, but Top Gear has exposed me to enough of the British car terminology that I'd be OK. But if you want to convert all your projects to inches I wouldn't complain  [big grin]. Now that Cockney stuff will quickly get the uninitiated to have that deer in headlights look   [eek]
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Re: Thumb Up Button with Counter for posts
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2015, 10:42 AM »
For the discussions regarding the negative aspects of a like button, are they really referring to the negative aspects of the feature, or are they comparing it with forums that have poor etiquette and poor moderation?

Call me cynical, but etiquette on the internet is a result of moderation.  The forum I mentioned with reputation points is a well moderated forum.  It just has a different dynamic, not bad, but different.  That could be do to the reputation points, or just the subject and group it draws.

If Peter's idea stops people from typing + 1, then give it a go.
   The same people who + 1 regularly add nothing to the forum apart from wasting the time of those reading it. If they want to up their post count type something of meaning.

While I strongly disagree that +1 is just a "post count incrementer", IMO the logic of people posting just for "like count" applies here also.  Even if there is no "official" tracking of like counts, people will start to aim their posts to see how many likes they can generate.  Frankly, I think +1's can be really useful, where "likes" become the self gratification contest.
On the truck forum that I used as my example above for reputation points, I posted a question about a problem I was having.  I got 10 responses, or so.  5 of the responses were +1 to check a relay in the fuse box.  Quick and easy, that was my problem.  But, now I have to go back and "rep-up" everyone that responded, regardless of the answer, or I'm the jerk who asks a question and doesn't rep.  Even though I posted a response thanking everyone for the answers and stating that it was the relay.  +1's = good/useful, reps = ugh.

I really don't think likes will be a horrible thing.  Maybe it's a quick thing to turn on in the forum software.  If that's the case, no biggie.  But, if it is a bunch of work for the forum admin, I don't see it as being that great of a feature.
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Re: Thumb Up Button with Counter for posts
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2015, 11:08 AM »
In my mind there are two different situations - threads and posters.  If a thread could be liked because of its usefulness and content then I could see it being useful.  If the "Karma" system or "Like" system is attributed to the individual member then frankly I am not in favor.

Here's why:  We have thousands of Members who post often or infrequently based on their individual situations.  A quality post is a quality post no matter if it comes from a new Member or a long term Member.  To give the assumption that a post I make is better because I might have more likes than another is just wrong.  We are about the collective efforts here - trying to help others out thru our knowledge and experiences.  How many times have you read a post from a new comer that just made you slap your forehead and make you wonder why you didn't think of or try that before?

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Edit:  I forgot to add something:  If it were possible to implement such a system based on threads then there would be a possibility of discounting the threads made early in the forum's life that contain such great information just because they aren't read as often now.
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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2015, 11:22 AM »
In my mind there are two different situations - threads and posters.  If a thread could be liked because of its usefulness and content then I could see it being useful.  If the "Karma" system or "Like" system is attributed to the individual member then frankly I am not in favor.

Here's why:  We have thousands of Members who post often or infrequently based on their individual situations.  A quality post is a quality post no matter if it comes from a new Member or a long term Member.  To give the assumption that a post I make is better because I might have more likes than another is just wrong.  We are about the collective efforts here - trying to help others out thru our knowledge and experiences.  How many times have you read a post from a new comer that just made you slap your forehead and make you wonder why you didn't think of or try that before?

Peter

Hi Peter

I think we have to get away from the focus being on the poster who gets the "Like" and on the reader who uses that knowledge to form an opinion about the subject or the question posed.

I fully understand everyone who says that it could start to look like a beauty contest with people trying to get more "Likes" but as long as the total likes do not appear on the stats for the individual then that helps. Also, if the person doing the "Like"ing is not identified then there is no feeling of obligation to return the favour.

There are countless threads here on the FOG where people have asked questions or sought advice and I see this as a useful mechanism for informing the reader and in particular the original poster.

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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2015, 11:30 AM »
Im from the UK & use UK words.  I don't change my language to suit whatever nationality might be reading.  I know most American words & I'm sure Most Americans know ours.  I treat people like they are intelligent enough to figure out what I'm talking about.  I don't appreciate the "och aye" statement by the way.

Oops - I do apologise, it was not meant to upset you or anyone else.

Peter

Peter,

I know you well enough that you NEVER mean To upset anyone. You are one of the nicest and most jovial people on this forum. Myself (and I would assume most other 'Mericans {see what I did there}) did not take offense to your post.  Scottisims (sp), I guess are a different beast on your island.

A lot of people overreact to meaningless crap on the forum and I find myself lately stepping away for a few days because of it.

I have ALWAYS enjoyed your videos and commentary Peter!  I look forward to many more and hope to catch up in person next time I am in the UK. 

Before people jump down my throat, I was born in NZ (many moons ago) lived in AUS for a while, lived in London for an even longer time and came to the US in the late 80's.  That being said, this thread (which was a controversial topic in the first place) seems to have deteriorated to the point where I no longer have interest.

Thanks again Peter for all you do and woodguy7, I hope you are just having a rough day and all is well.

Cheers. Bryan.
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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2015, 12:45 PM »
Sorry Peter, thumbs down.

You either have an opinion or a contributive statement or not. Also not all posts need to be debated, which this suggested voting system implies.

In many ways this thread reiterates why I do not like +1.  [eek]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/forum-rules-guidelines-suggestions/let-us-all-ban-1/msg334314/#msg334314

Thumbs Down to really large fonts in posts and replies.  I am getting neck strain moving my head lift and right to read the entire reply ...    [big grin]
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« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2015, 03:27 PM »
Thank you Leer. Glad to see one person reads my posts.  [big grin]

I use an IPad and generally change the FOG' s default 12 pt to 14 pt text, so it is easier for me to read!

My usual posts generally fit well within an IPad screen. But there have been exceptions such as the 36pt 'Congratulations' I used in celebrating Shane's career change.
LOL.  [smile]

Sorry Peter, thumbs down.

You either have an opinion or a contributive statement or not. Also not all posts need to be debated, which this suggested voting system implies.

In many ways this thread reiterates why I do not like +1.  [eek]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/forum-rules-guidelines-suggestions/let-us-all-ban-1/msg334314/#msg334314

Thumbs Down to really large fonts in posts and replies.  I am getting neck strain moving my head lift and right to read the entire reply ...    [big grin]
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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2015, 01:23 PM »
Untidy Shop,

Well, I understand completely now!  I sometimes us my wife's iPad to check the forums, but I get really irritated trying to figure out how to post a picture.  Since it is hers, I don't have my pictures, or need to do a special login to DropBox.

Maybe I'll get my own.  But I guess I then may also need to go to large fonts ...   ;)
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« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2015, 01:34 PM »
Sorry Peter, thumbs down.

You either have an opinion or a contributive statement or not. Also not all posts need to be debated, which this suggested voting system implies.

In many ways this thread reiterates why I do not like +1.  [eek]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/forum-rules-guidelines-suggestions/let-us-all-ban-1/msg334314/#msg334314

Thumbs Down to really large fonts in posts and replies.  I am getting neck strain moving my head lift and right to read the entire reply ...    [big grin]

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