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Offline Peter Parfitt

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« on: March 07, 2015, 05:08 AM »
I can imagine that this suggestion would take a lot of effort but we went to the moon in the last century after all...

Please could there be a button next to each post that represents a "Thumbs Up" or "Like" and next to it a counter to show how many people had pressed that button. There are a lot of posts that I would really like to support but I just do not have the time to write a sentence for each.

I do not believe that we need a "Dislike" button as such but would not object to it at all. My rationale is that most objections do need to be explained - otherwise you do not know if the objector is dead against something or just dislikes one tiny facet.

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2015, 06:51 AM »
Thumbs up to what Peter suggests.   ;D

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2015, 06:54 AM »
Just for today..

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2015, 06:57 AM »
Thumbs up for your suggestion, Peter.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2015, 07:02 AM »
Dislike, useless fluff. People can deduct your approval from your comments anyway.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2015, 07:09 AM »
Sorry Peter, thumbs down.

You either have an opinion or a contributive statement or not. Also not all posts need to be debated, which this suggested voting system implies.

In many ways this thread reiterates why I do not like +1.  [eek]

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2015, 07:12 AM »
Dislike, useless fluff. People can deduct your approval from your comments anyway.

Yes, but you then need to type something to express your approval. I am pretty busy these days and would like to show my support to people's points of view but cannot write a sentence every single time. I think that showing support like this will encourage some of the less frequent contributors to do more and the FOG as a whole will benefit in the process.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2015, 07:31 AM »
(Gulp)  +1 to what Peter just posted.  [scared]
But, this post does demonstrate potential advantage, to some, of Peter's proposal. 

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2015, 07:53 AM »
Yes, but you then need to type something to express your approval. I am pretty busy these days and would like to show my support to people's points of view but cannot write a sentence every single time. I think that showing support like this will encourage some of the less frequent contributors to do more and the FOG as a whole will benefit in the process.

It is a forum but you can't be bothered to type your response? Seriously, that is not cool.

When you have a conversation with somebody, do you keep your mouth shut and just use your thumbs?

You're promoting a type of participation I can not find useful, and is in fact detrimental because it waters down the content.

You do realise that like buttons on forums open up a popularity contest, do you? Wanna turns this forum into a high school event?

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2015, 08:03 AM »
Yes, but you then need to type something to express your approval. I am pretty busy these days and would like to show my support to people's points of view but cannot write a sentence every single time. I think that showing support like this will encourage some of the less frequent contributors to do more and the FOG as a whole will benefit in the process.

It is a forum but you can't be bothered to type your response? Seriously, that is not cool.
You know that is not true - I gave my reason so please do not misinterpret what I said.

When you have a conversation with somebody, do you keep your mouth shut and just use your thumbs?
Reading a post is not having a conversation.

You're promoting a type of participation I can not find useful, and is in fact detrimental because it waters down the content.
I think that it might add to things.

You do realise that like buttons on forums open up a popularity contest, do you?
I understand what you mean and would not want that.

Wanna turns this forum into a high school event?
It seems to work elsewhere.


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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2015, 08:19 AM »
Eons ago something similar was tried here and it turned out to be not such a good idea at that time.  Whether or not it would work better this time would be one question.  Another question would be whether or not there is a standard included module or function to perform this or would it require custom programming. 

I don't have the answers to any of these.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2015, 08:34 AM »
Got to agree with Alex

The forum is about conversation and contribution not clicking buttons for the purpose of self aggrandizement or other motives . What's next  "friend buttons"

There is already too much bragging and box opening threads on here already!

So where is the dislike button when you need it !


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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2015, 08:42 AM »
I'm on another forum, outside of woodworking, that has something like this.  You click on a little icon and it adds to the other guys "reputation".  Then guys go around trying to collect "reps".  Every time someone helps someone they expect to be rewarded with reps.  Every time a newbie comes along, the whole reps scheme has to be explained.  When I ask a question, I have to give reps to anyone that answers, no matter how stupid the answer  [tongue].  In all honesty, I'd rather thank everyone and go over what I actually did regarding my question than have to go post-by-post and "rep-up" everyone.  The admins also had to implement some sort of scheme to prevent one person from repping-up another too often.  You have to spread your reps to others before you can give the same guy reps again, so then you have to post that you would give reps, but you're locked out.
That all said, it does encourage participation in threads that are often considered "ugh, not another newbie asking about that" type of threads.  But, I think it also adds noise to a significant percentage of threads.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2015, 08:45 AM »
I don't think adding a "LIKE" or "DISLIKE" button would hurt the forum.

You can click it or not.  Your call.    Think about it.   We have a "SEARCH" button that seems to get very little use.

How may times do we see the "Which sander for me" threads?      [tongue]

So what's one or two more buttons?    I'm sure they would hardly get used.

Heck, if anything, let's make the "SEARCH" button BIGGER!!!   

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2015, 09:06 AM »
I'm on another forum, outside of woodworking, that has something like this.  You click on a little icon and it adds to the other guys "reputation".  Then guys go around trying to collect "reps".  Every time someone helps someone they expect to be rewarded with reps.  Every time a newbie comes along, the whole reps scheme has to be explained.  When I ask a question, I have to give reps to anyone that answers, no matter how stupid the answer  [tongue].  In all honesty, I'd rather thank everyone and go over what I actually did regarding my question than have to go post-by-post and "rep-up" everyone.  The admins also had to implement some sort of scheme to prevent one person from repping-up another too often.  You have to spread your reps to others before you can give the same guy reps again, so then you have to post that you would give reps, but you're locked out.
That all said, it does encourage participation in threads that are often considered "ugh, not another newbie asking about that" type of threads.  But, I think it also adds noise to a significant percentage of threads.

I think that anything that singles out a person or a group of people is wrong and would not wish the FOG to go that way. To avoid that the tally of likes should not be recorded as part of a FOGger's profile.

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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2015, 09:16 AM »
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I think that anything that singles out a person or a group of people is wrong and would not wish the FOG to go that way. To avoid that the tally of likes should not be recorded as part of a FOGger's profile.

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Yeah, but I think anything like that will lead to people looking to be "validated" by getting their posts liked.  I would feel completely OBLIGATED to like peoples posts that responded to my threads to make sure they would be willing to help me again sometime.  This is already a pretty positive and helpful place, I don't see the need necessarily.  I have occasionally been known to be wrong though (very rarely, but occasionally  [big grin])
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2015, 09:37 AM »
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I think that anything that singles out a person or a group of people is wrong and would not wish the FOG to go that way. To avoid that the tally of likes should not be recorded as part of a FOGger's profile.

Peter

Yeah, but I think anything like that will lead to people looking to be "validated" by getting their posts liked.  I would feel completely OBLIGATED to like peoples posts that responded to my threads to make sure they would be willing to help me again sometime.  This is already a pretty positive and helpful place, I don't see the need necessarily.  I have occasionally been known to be wrong though (very rarely, but occasionally  [big grin])

Hi Jay,

I see exactly what you mean and that would be a bad thing.

The number of times that a thread is visited is tracked and shown on the thread list page. Sometimes the ratio of visits to comments is over 30 to 1 and so there are a lot of people that are viewing without making any form of contribution. This might encourage a bit more participation.

I am pretty relaxed about the subject and think that this type of feedback through "Likes" might be useful although any form of ranking by numbers of likes would be a tragedy for a forum like this.

Peter

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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2015, 09:39 AM »
I think that should be left where it belongs, at Facebook.  If you don't have the time to comment or don't want to just move on.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2015, 09:48 AM »
I think that should be left where it belongs, at Facebook.  If you don't have the time to comment or don't want to just move on.

Absolutely agree. There's too much of the high school popularity contest nonsense around here as it is.

Comments offer solutions to problems. Like buttons are just another road to self-puffery.
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2015, 10:06 AM »

When you have a conversation with somebody, do you keep your mouth shut and just use your thumbs?


Like Peter said, this isn't about a conversation.  I give my kids the "thumbs up" all the time... when they are skiing, gymnastics, make cool sh-tuff out of Legos... it is a nice pat on the back or attaboy.

Some people get bent out of shape too much on this forum about minor things.  Some are probably stress bombs waiting to explode and this forum is their way to do that.  Ease off man, it is just a request (that you obviously feel passionate about).

Did people forget that there is this emoticon??  [thumbs up]

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2015, 10:11 AM »
Good comment Bryan, therefore Thumbs Up.  Mike

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2015, 10:28 AM »
Anyone familiar with the system that reddit uses?  I find it to be VERY useful and could possibly be implemented here.  Though it likely wouldn't be a bolt on for this forum architecture (disclaimer, I know nothing about this) and may require an entirely new foundation.  If that's the case, then I'd say it ain't worth it.

I do feel that the popularity concerns may be a bit overly sensitive, but if there is history here of it not boding well then I stand corrected.
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2015, 10:45 AM »
Eons ago something similar was tried here and it turned out to be not such a good idea at that time.  Whether or not it would work better this time would be one question.  Another question would be whether or not there is a standard included module or function to perform this or would it require custom programming. 

I don't have the answers to any of these.

Peter

That function is already available on this theme. It has been disabled, but could easily be re-enabled. It's called Karma.
I know because I also disabled it on another forum I run with the same forum software and theme. It can get to be a little political in my opinion.

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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2015, 10:53 AM »
The number of times that a thread is visited is tracked and shown on the thread list page. Sometimes the ratio of visits to comments is over 30 to 1 and so there are a lot of people that are viewing without making any form of contribution. This might encourage a bit more participation.

Depends what you mean by participation. By my experience though in other forums it decreased thread posts which can be viewed both good and bad. The ditto +1 posts annoy some folks so a like feature may reduce them. But it can also lead to complacency, hitting Like isn't much of a contribution unless we're trying to rank answer to questions as happens on some other Q&A sites. Anonymous likes add nothing but a vote popularity contest, I'd want to know who is doing the liking, but it's still lacking now without them saying why. Ultimately it will change the dynamic here, IMO not for the better.

If a dislike button were available I might have been tempted to click it on your post and walk away, but my taking the time to explain myself is far better don't you think?
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2015, 11:04 AM »
The number of times that a thread is visited is tracked and shown on the thread list page. Sometimes the ratio of visits to comments is over 30 to 1 and so there are a lot of people that are viewing without making any form of contribution. This might encourage a bit more participation.

Depends what you mean by participation. By my experience though in other forums it decreased thread posts which can be viewed both good and bad. The ditto +1 posts annoy some folks so a like feature may reduce them. But it can also lead to complacency, hitting Like isn't much of a contribution unless we're trying to rank answer to questions as happens on some other Q&A sites. Anonymous likes add nothing but a vote popularity contest, I'd want to know who is doing the liking, but it's still lacking now without them saying why. Ultimately it will change the dynamic here, IMO not for the better.

If a dislike button were available I might have been tempted to click it on your post and walk away, but my taking the time to explain myself is far better don't you think?

Thanks Paul, I appreciate the comments and must say that when I posed this question in my opening post I did not realise the down side of such a facility.

When someone opens a thread seeking advice on the best way to do something then the "Like" feature might help him or her judge the opinion of the combined FOG community with people "Liking" whichever suggestion they prefer. In a way there is a sort of facility for this with the voting scheme although that does require the options to be created by the OP.

Peter

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2015, 11:24 AM »
I belong to another wood working forum which has a fraction of the membership here with this "like" feature and it works well! I always chuckle at how this forum can get so wound up about such seemingly minor things.... Thank goodness for the majority of great posts.

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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2015, 12:39 PM »
Eons ago something similar was tried here and it turned out to be not such a good idea at that time.  Whether or not it would work better this time would be one question.  Another question would be whether or not there is a standard included module or function to perform this or would it require custom programming. 

I don't have the answers to any of these.

Peter

That function is already available on this theme. It has been disabled, but could easily be re-enabled. It's called Karma.
I know because I also disabled it on another forum I run with the same forum software and theme. It can get to be a little political in my opinion.

Frank

I actually like the idea of "liking" useful posts as a way to point out useful information (not as a popularity contest). Not only was the Karma system a bad idea, but the previous owner of this forum activated it with ulterior motives. He got busted manipulating people's Karma within days of activating it.

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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2015, 12:59 PM »
I like Peter's idea, and as newbie (I do not want to hijack the debate) I miss also something like a "Festool wiki" or a index, bringing together the fantastic information on this forum under headings such as "domino XL vs 500" , "Mini vs Midi" , '"What sander", "Parallel guides pros and cons" and so on. I think the 'like button' could ease some things for newbies. It would be like to know what ideas have more approval from the community, whatever that means for each.

Maybe these ideas will be my bias as a professional journalist    ??? [crying]

[I edit to change "domino XL vs 400" for "domino XL vs 500" ]
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2015, 04:42 PM »
I don't like the 'like' function on forums and it's one reason I like FOG so much. I'm on another forum that has the like function and also 'thanks' (for useful posts). There are a couple of forum bullied that the moderators don't, well, moderate. They'll say something inflammatory or nasty and you see the same old sicofants that then 'like' their post(s). They've racked up tens of thousands of likes.

I like the fact that FOG encourages thoughtful replies/comments rather than quick hit responses.

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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2015, 06:54 PM »
If Peter's idea stops people from typing + 1, then give it a go.
   The same people who + 1 regularly add nothing to the forum apart from wasting the time of those reading it. If they want to up their post count type something of meaning.