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« on: March 07, 2015, 05:08 AM »
I can imagine that this suggestion would take a lot of effort but we went to the moon in the last century after all...

Please could there be a button next to each post that represents a "Thumbs Up" or "Like" and next to it a counter to show how many people had pressed that button. There are a lot of posts that I would really like to support but I just do not have the time to write a sentence for each.

I do not believe that we need a "Dislike" button as such but would not object to it at all. My rationale is that most objections do need to be explained - otherwise you do not know if the objector is dead against something or just dislikes one tiny facet.

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2015, 06:51 AM »
Thumbs up to what Peter suggests.   ;D

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2015, 06:54 AM »
Just for today..

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2015, 06:57 AM »
Thumbs up for your suggestion, Peter.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2015, 07:02 AM »
Dislike, useless fluff. People can deduct your approval from your comments anyway.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2015, 07:09 AM »
Sorry Peter, thumbs down.

You either have an opinion or a contributive statement or not. Also not all posts need to be debated, which this suggested voting system implies.

In many ways this thread reiterates why I do not like +1.  [eek]

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2015, 07:12 AM »
Dislike, useless fluff. People can deduct your approval from your comments anyway.

Yes, but you then need to type something to express your approval. I am pretty busy these days and would like to show my support to people's points of view but cannot write a sentence every single time. I think that showing support like this will encourage some of the less frequent contributors to do more and the FOG as a whole will benefit in the process.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2015, 07:31 AM »
(Gulp)  +1 to what Peter just posted.  [scared]
But, this post does demonstrate potential advantage, to some, of Peter's proposal. 

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2015, 07:53 AM »
Yes, but you then need to type something to express your approval. I am pretty busy these days and would like to show my support to people's points of view but cannot write a sentence every single time. I think that showing support like this will encourage some of the less frequent contributors to do more and the FOG as a whole will benefit in the process.

It is a forum but you can't be bothered to type your response? Seriously, that is not cool.

When you have a conversation with somebody, do you keep your mouth shut and just use your thumbs?

You're promoting a type of participation I can not find useful, and is in fact detrimental because it waters down the content.

You do realise that like buttons on forums open up a popularity contest, do you? Wanna turns this forum into a high school event?

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2015, 08:03 AM »
Yes, but you then need to type something to express your approval. I am pretty busy these days and would like to show my support to people's points of view but cannot write a sentence every single time. I think that showing support like this will encourage some of the less frequent contributors to do more and the FOG as a whole will benefit in the process.

It is a forum but you can't be bothered to type your response? Seriously, that is not cool.
You know that is not true - I gave my reason so please do not misinterpret what I said.

When you have a conversation with somebody, do you keep your mouth shut and just use your thumbs?
Reading a post is not having a conversation.

You're promoting a type of participation I can not find useful, and is in fact detrimental because it waters down the content.
I think that it might add to things.

You do realise that like buttons on forums open up a popularity contest, do you?
I understand what you mean and would not want that.

Wanna turns this forum into a high school event?
It seems to work elsewhere.


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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2015, 08:19 AM »
Eons ago something similar was tried here and it turned out to be not such a good idea at that time.  Whether or not it would work better this time would be one question.  Another question would be whether or not there is a standard included module or function to perform this or would it require custom programming. 

I don't have the answers to any of these.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2015, 08:34 AM »
Got to agree with Alex

The forum is about conversation and contribution not clicking buttons for the purpose of self aggrandizement or other motives . What's next  "friend buttons"

There is already too much bragging and box opening threads on here already!

So where is the dislike button when you need it !


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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2015, 08:42 AM »
I'm on another forum, outside of woodworking, that has something like this.  You click on a little icon and it adds to the other guys "reputation".  Then guys go around trying to collect "reps".  Every time someone helps someone they expect to be rewarded with reps.  Every time a newbie comes along, the whole reps scheme has to be explained.  When I ask a question, I have to give reps to anyone that answers, no matter how stupid the answer  [tongue].  In all honesty, I'd rather thank everyone and go over what I actually did regarding my question than have to go post-by-post and "rep-up" everyone.  The admins also had to implement some sort of scheme to prevent one person from repping-up another too often.  You have to spread your reps to others before you can give the same guy reps again, so then you have to post that you would give reps, but you're locked out.
That all said, it does encourage participation in threads that are often considered "ugh, not another newbie asking about that" type of threads.  But, I think it also adds noise to a significant percentage of threads.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2015, 08:45 AM »
I don't think adding a "LIKE" or "DISLIKE" button would hurt the forum.

You can click it or not.  Your call.    Think about it.   We have a "SEARCH" button that seems to get very little use.

How may times do we see the "Which sander for me" threads?      [tongue]

So what's one or two more buttons?    I'm sure they would hardly get used.

Heck, if anything, let's make the "SEARCH" button BIGGER!!!   

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2015, 09:06 AM »
I'm on another forum, outside of woodworking, that has something like this.  You click on a little icon and it adds to the other guys "reputation".  Then guys go around trying to collect "reps".  Every time someone helps someone they expect to be rewarded with reps.  Every time a newbie comes along, the whole reps scheme has to be explained.  When I ask a question, I have to give reps to anyone that answers, no matter how stupid the answer  [tongue].  In all honesty, I'd rather thank everyone and go over what I actually did regarding my question than have to go post-by-post and "rep-up" everyone.  The admins also had to implement some sort of scheme to prevent one person from repping-up another too often.  You have to spread your reps to others before you can give the same guy reps again, so then you have to post that you would give reps, but you're locked out.
That all said, it does encourage participation in threads that are often considered "ugh, not another newbie asking about that" type of threads.  But, I think it also adds noise to a significant percentage of threads.

I think that anything that singles out a person or a group of people is wrong and would not wish the FOG to go that way. To avoid that the tally of likes should not be recorded as part of a FOGger's profile.

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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2015, 09:16 AM »
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I think that anything that singles out a person or a group of people is wrong and would not wish the FOG to go that way. To avoid that the tally of likes should not be recorded as part of a FOGger's profile.

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Yeah, but I think anything like that will lead to people looking to be "validated" by getting their posts liked.  I would feel completely OBLIGATED to like peoples posts that responded to my threads to make sure they would be willing to help me again sometime.  This is already a pretty positive and helpful place, I don't see the need necessarily.  I have occasionally been known to be wrong though (very rarely, but occasionally  [big grin])
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2015, 09:37 AM »
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I think that anything that singles out a person or a group of people is wrong and would not wish the FOG to go that way. To avoid that the tally of likes should not be recorded as part of a FOGger's profile.

Peter

Yeah, but I think anything like that will lead to people looking to be "validated" by getting their posts liked.  I would feel completely OBLIGATED to like peoples posts that responded to my threads to make sure they would be willing to help me again sometime.  This is already a pretty positive and helpful place, I don't see the need necessarily.  I have occasionally been known to be wrong though (very rarely, but occasionally  [big grin])

Hi Jay,

I see exactly what you mean and that would be a bad thing.

The number of times that a thread is visited is tracked and shown on the thread list page. Sometimes the ratio of visits to comments is over 30 to 1 and so there are a lot of people that are viewing without making any form of contribution. This might encourage a bit more participation.

I am pretty relaxed about the subject and think that this type of feedback through "Likes" might be useful although any form of ranking by numbers of likes would be a tragedy for a forum like this.

Peter

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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2015, 09:39 AM »
I think that should be left where it belongs, at Facebook.  If you don't have the time to comment or don't want to just move on.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2015, 09:48 AM »
I think that should be left where it belongs, at Facebook.  If you don't have the time to comment or don't want to just move on.

Absolutely agree. There's too much of the high school popularity contest nonsense around here as it is.

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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2015, 10:06 AM »

When you have a conversation with somebody, do you keep your mouth shut and just use your thumbs?


Like Peter said, this isn't about a conversation.  I give my kids the "thumbs up" all the time... when they are skiing, gymnastics, make cool sh-tuff out of Legos... it is a nice pat on the back or attaboy.

Some people get bent out of shape too much on this forum about minor things.  Some are probably stress bombs waiting to explode and this forum is their way to do that.  Ease off man, it is just a request (that you obviously feel passionate about).

Did people forget that there is this emoticon??  [thumbs up]

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2015, 10:11 AM »
Good comment Bryan, therefore Thumbs Up.  Mike

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2015, 10:28 AM »
Anyone familiar with the system that reddit uses?  I find it to be VERY useful and could possibly be implemented here.  Though it likely wouldn't be a bolt on for this forum architecture (disclaimer, I know nothing about this) and may require an entirely new foundation.  If that's the case, then I'd say it ain't worth it.

I do feel that the popularity concerns may be a bit overly sensitive, but if there is history here of it not boding well then I stand corrected.
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2015, 10:45 AM »
Eons ago something similar was tried here and it turned out to be not such a good idea at that time.  Whether or not it would work better this time would be one question.  Another question would be whether or not there is a standard included module or function to perform this or would it require custom programming. 

I don't have the answers to any of these.

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That function is already available on this theme. It has been disabled, but could easily be re-enabled. It's called Karma.
I know because I also disabled it on another forum I run with the same forum software and theme. It can get to be a little political in my opinion.

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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2015, 10:53 AM »
The number of times that a thread is visited is tracked and shown on the thread list page. Sometimes the ratio of visits to comments is over 30 to 1 and so there are a lot of people that are viewing without making any form of contribution. This might encourage a bit more participation.

Depends what you mean by participation. By my experience though in other forums it decreased thread posts which can be viewed both good and bad. The ditto +1 posts annoy some folks so a like feature may reduce them. But it can also lead to complacency, hitting Like isn't much of a contribution unless we're trying to rank answer to questions as happens on some other Q&A sites. Anonymous likes add nothing but a vote popularity contest, I'd want to know who is doing the liking, but it's still lacking now without them saying why. Ultimately it will change the dynamic here, IMO not for the better.

If a dislike button were available I might have been tempted to click it on your post and walk away, but my taking the time to explain myself is far better don't you think?
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2015, 11:04 AM »
The number of times that a thread is visited is tracked and shown on the thread list page. Sometimes the ratio of visits to comments is over 30 to 1 and so there are a lot of people that are viewing without making any form of contribution. This might encourage a bit more participation.

Depends what you mean by participation. By my experience though in other forums it decreased thread posts which can be viewed both good and bad. The ditto +1 posts annoy some folks so a like feature may reduce them. But it can also lead to complacency, hitting Like isn't much of a contribution unless we're trying to rank answer to questions as happens on some other Q&A sites. Anonymous likes add nothing but a vote popularity contest, I'd want to know who is doing the liking, but it's still lacking now without them saying why. Ultimately it will change the dynamic here, IMO not for the better.

If a dislike button were available I might have been tempted to click it on your post and walk away, but my taking the time to explain myself is far better don't you think?

Thanks Paul, I appreciate the comments and must say that when I posed this question in my opening post I did not realise the down side of such a facility.

When someone opens a thread seeking advice on the best way to do something then the "Like" feature might help him or her judge the opinion of the combined FOG community with people "Liking" whichever suggestion they prefer. In a way there is a sort of facility for this with the voting scheme although that does require the options to be created by the OP.

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2015, 11:24 AM »
I belong to another wood working forum which has a fraction of the membership here with this "like" feature and it works well! I always chuckle at how this forum can get so wound up about such seemingly minor things.... Thank goodness for the majority of great posts.

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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2015, 12:39 PM »
Eons ago something similar was tried here and it turned out to be not such a good idea at that time.  Whether or not it would work better this time would be one question.  Another question would be whether or not there is a standard included module or function to perform this or would it require custom programming. 

I don't have the answers to any of these.

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That function is already available on this theme. It has been disabled, but could easily be re-enabled. It's called Karma.
I know because I also disabled it on another forum I run with the same forum software and theme. It can get to be a little political in my opinion.

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I actually like the idea of "liking" useful posts as a way to point out useful information (not as a popularity contest). Not only was the Karma system a bad idea, but the previous owner of this forum activated it with ulterior motives. He got busted manipulating people's Karma within days of activating it.

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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2015, 12:59 PM »
I like Peter's idea, and as newbie (I do not want to hijack the debate) I miss also something like a "Festool wiki" or a index, bringing together the fantastic information on this forum under headings such as "domino XL vs 500" , "Mini vs Midi" , '"What sander", "Parallel guides pros and cons" and so on. I think the 'like button' could ease some things for newbies. It would be like to know what ideas have more approval from the community, whatever that means for each.

Maybe these ideas will be my bias as a professional journalist    ??? [crying]

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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2015, 04:42 PM »
I don't like the 'like' function on forums and it's one reason I like FOG so much. I'm on another forum that has the like function and also 'thanks' (for useful posts). There are a couple of forum bullied that the moderators don't, well, moderate. They'll say something inflammatory or nasty and you see the same old sicofants that then 'like' their post(s). They've racked up tens of thousands of likes.

I like the fact that FOG encourages thoughtful replies/comments rather than quick hit responses.

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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2015, 06:54 PM »
If Peter's idea stops people from typing + 1, then give it a go.
   The same people who + 1 regularly add nothing to the forum apart from wasting the time of those reading it. If they want to up their post count type something of meaning.

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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2015, 08:58 PM »
Let the fog decide after a vote? I'm indifferent about it.  But I do think it could  encourage more participation from folks. But the negative I see from it would be on controversial topics,  which I think the moderators should  have the ability to remove the like function if it seems needed. 

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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2015, 01:12 AM »
The number of times that a thread is visited is tracked and shown on the thread list page. Sometimes the ratio of visits to comments is over 30 to 1 and so there are a lot of people that are viewing without making any form of contribution. This might encourage a bit more participation.

Depends what you mean by participation. By my experience though in other forums it decreased thread posts which can be viewed both good and bad. The ditto +1 posts annoy some folks so a like feature may reduce them. But it can also lead to complacency, hitting Like isn't much of a contribution unless we're trying to rank answer to questions as happens on some other Q&A sites. Anonymous likes add nothing but a vote popularity contest, I'd want to know who is doing the liking, but it's still lacking now without them saying why. Ultimately it will change the dynamic here, IMO not for the better.

If a dislike button were available I might have been tempted to click it on your post and walk away, but my taking the time to explain myself is far better don't you think?

Thanks Paul, I appreciate the comments and must say that when I posed this question in my opening post I did not realise the down side of such a facility.

When someone opens a thread seeking advice on the best way to do something then the "Like" feature might help him or her judge the opinion of the combined FOG community with people "Liking" whichever suggestion they prefer. In a way there is a sort of facility for this with the voting scheme although that does require the options to be created by the OP.

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Yes, I can see where it would be useful, but imagine it's use in the next 'my Kapex casting doesn't look like the hood on my BMW' thread.
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2015, 01:50 AM »

Yes, I can see where it would be useful, but imagine it's use in the next 'my Kapex casting doesn't look like the hood on my BMW' thread.


You made me look again at the BMW colour chart - the car that I've ordered is grey but slightly darker - phew.   [smile]

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2015, 03:06 AM »

You made me look again at the BMW colour chart - the car that I've ordered is grey but slightly darker - phew.   [smile]

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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2015, 03:10 AM »
For the discussions regarding the negative aspects of a like button, are they really referring to the negative aspects of the feature, or are they comparing it with forums that have poor etiquette and poor moderation?

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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2015, 03:38 AM »
For the discussions regarding the negative aspects of a like button, are they really referring to the negative aspects of the feature, or are they comparing it with forums that have poor etiquette and poor moderation?

I'm speaking from the experience of a moderator at a web dev/domain investing forum and active participant in similar forums. Where implemented the like/dislike feature ended up being mostly used in controversial topics as opposed to the instructional ones. Of course every community is different, just sharing my observations.
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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2015, 04:05 AM »

You made me look again at the BMW colour chart - the car that I've ordered is grey but slightly darker - phew.   [smile]

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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2015, 06:09 AM »
Don't you mean bonnet Peter  [blink]
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2015, 07:42 AM »
Don't you mean bonnet Peter  [blink]

Of course but Paul G is from the US and so I was giving him the courtesy of using the US name but I drew the line by not starting this sentence with "Och aye" (if you see what I mean - and I hope I spelt it correctly).

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2015, 09:09 AM »
Im from the UK & use UK words.  I don't change my language to suit whatever nationality might be reading.  I know most American words & I'm sure Most Americans know ours.  I treat people like they are intelligent enough to figure out what I'm talking about.  I don't appreciate the "och aye" statement by the way.
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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2015, 09:22 AM »
Im from the UK & use UK words.  I don't change my language to suit whatever nationality might be reading.  I know most American words & I'm sure Most Americans know ours.  I treat people like they are intelligent enough to figure out what I'm talking about.  I don't appreciate the "och aye" statement by the way.

Oops - I do apologise, it was not meant to upset you or anyone else.

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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2015, 09:28 AM »
Don't you mean bonnet Peter  [blink]

Of course but Paul G is from the US and so I was giving him the courtesy of using the US name but I drew the line by not starting this sentence with "Och aye" (if you see what I mean - and I hope I spelt it correctly).

Peter

I appreciate the thoughtfulness Peter, but Top Gear has exposed me to enough of the British car terminology that I'd be OK. But if you want to convert all your projects to inches I wouldn't complain  [big grin]. Now that Cockney stuff will quickly get the uninitiated to have that deer in headlights look   [eek]
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« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2015, 10:42 AM »
For the discussions regarding the negative aspects of a like button, are they really referring to the negative aspects of the feature, or are they comparing it with forums that have poor etiquette and poor moderation?

Call me cynical, but etiquette on the internet is a result of moderation.  The forum I mentioned with reputation points is a well moderated forum.  It just has a different dynamic, not bad, but different.  That could be do to the reputation points, or just the subject and group it draws.

If Peter's idea stops people from typing + 1, then give it a go.
   The same people who + 1 regularly add nothing to the forum apart from wasting the time of those reading it. If they want to up their post count type something of meaning.

While I strongly disagree that +1 is just a "post count incrementer", IMO the logic of people posting just for "like count" applies here also.  Even if there is no "official" tracking of like counts, people will start to aim their posts to see how many likes they can generate.  Frankly, I think +1's can be really useful, where "likes" become the self gratification contest.
On the truck forum that I used as my example above for reputation points, I posted a question about a problem I was having.  I got 10 responses, or so.  5 of the responses were +1 to check a relay in the fuse box.  Quick and easy, that was my problem.  But, now I have to go back and "rep-up" everyone that responded, regardless of the answer, or I'm the jerk who asks a question and doesn't rep.  Even though I posted a response thanking everyone for the answers and stating that it was the relay.  +1's = good/useful, reps = ugh.

I really don't think likes will be a horrible thing.  Maybe it's a quick thing to turn on in the forum software.  If that's the case, no biggie.  But, if it is a bunch of work for the forum admin, I don't see it as being that great of a feature.
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« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2015, 11:08 AM »
In my mind there are two different situations - threads and posters.  If a thread could be liked because of its usefulness and content then I could see it being useful.  If the "Karma" system or "Like" system is attributed to the individual member then frankly I am not in favor.

Here's why:  We have thousands of Members who post often or infrequently based on their individual situations.  A quality post is a quality post no matter if it comes from a new Member or a long term Member.  To give the assumption that a post I make is better because I might have more likes than another is just wrong.  We are about the collective efforts here - trying to help others out thru our knowledge and experiences.  How many times have you read a post from a new comer that just made you slap your forehead and make you wonder why you didn't think of or try that before?

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Edit:  I forgot to add something:  If it were possible to implement such a system based on threads then there would be a possibility of discounting the threads made early in the forum's life that contain such great information just because they aren't read as often now.
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Re: Thumb Up Button with Counter for posts
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2015, 11:22 AM »
In my mind there are two different situations - threads and posters.  If a thread could be liked because of its usefulness and content then I could see it being useful.  If the "Karma" system or "Like" system is attributed to the individual member then frankly I am not in favor.

Here's why:  We have thousands of Members who post often or infrequently based on their individual situations.  A quality post is a quality post no matter if it comes from a new Member or a long term Member.  To give the assumption that a post I make is better because I might have more likes than another is just wrong.  We are about the collective efforts here - trying to help others out thru our knowledge and experiences.  How many times have you read a post from a new comer that just made you slap your forehead and make you wonder why you didn't think of or try that before?

Peter

Hi Peter

I think we have to get away from the focus being on the poster who gets the "Like" and on the reader who uses that knowledge to form an opinion about the subject or the question posed.

I fully understand everyone who says that it could start to look like a beauty contest with people trying to get more "Likes" but as long as the total likes do not appear on the stats for the individual then that helps. Also, if the person doing the "Like"ing is not identified then there is no feeling of obligation to return the favour.

There are countless threads here on the FOG where people have asked questions or sought advice and I see this as a useful mechanism for informing the reader and in particular the original poster.

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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2015, 11:30 AM »
Im from the UK & use UK words.  I don't change my language to suit whatever nationality might be reading.  I know most American words & I'm sure Most Americans know ours.  I treat people like they are intelligent enough to figure out what I'm talking about.  I don't appreciate the "och aye" statement by the way.

Oops - I do apologise, it was not meant to upset you or anyone else.

Peter

Peter,

I know you well enough that you NEVER mean To upset anyone. You are one of the nicest and most jovial people on this forum. Myself (and I would assume most other 'Mericans {see what I did there}) did not take offense to your post.  Scottisims (sp), I guess are a different beast on your island.

A lot of people overreact to meaningless crap on the forum and I find myself lately stepping away for a few days because of it.

I have ALWAYS enjoyed your videos and commentary Peter!  I look forward to many more and hope to catch up in person next time I am in the UK. 

Before people jump down my throat, I was born in NZ (many moons ago) lived in AUS for a while, lived in London for an even longer time and came to the US in the late 80's.  That being said, this thread (which was a controversial topic in the first place) seems to have deteriorated to the point where I no longer have interest.

Thanks again Peter for all you do and woodguy7, I hope you are just having a rough day and all is well.

Cheers. Bryan.
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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2015, 12:45 PM »
Sorry Peter, thumbs down.

You either have an opinion or a contributive statement or not. Also not all posts need to be debated, which this suggested voting system implies.

In many ways this thread reiterates why I do not like +1.  [eek]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/forum-rules-guidelines-suggestions/let-us-all-ban-1/msg334314/#msg334314

Thumbs Down to really large fonts in posts and replies.  I am getting neck strain moving my head lift and right to read the entire reply ...    [big grin]
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Re: Thumb Up Button with Counter for posts
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2015, 03:27 PM »
Thank you Leer. Glad to see one person reads my posts.  [big grin]

I use an IPad and generally change the FOG' s default 12 pt to 14 pt text, so it is easier for me to read!

My usual posts generally fit well within an IPad screen. But there have been exceptions such as the 36pt 'Congratulations' I used in celebrating Shane's career change.
LOL.  [smile]

Sorry Peter, thumbs down.

You either have an opinion or a contributive statement or not. Also not all posts need to be debated, which this suggested voting system implies.

In many ways this thread reiterates why I do not like +1.  [eek]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/forum-rules-guidelines-suggestions/let-us-all-ban-1/msg334314/#msg334314

Thumbs Down to really large fonts in posts and replies.  I am getting neck strain moving my head lift and right to read the entire reply ...    [big grin]
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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2015, 01:23 PM »
Untidy Shop,

Well, I understand completely now!  I sometimes us my wife's iPad to check the forums, but I get really irritated trying to figure out how to post a picture.  Since it is hers, I don't have my pictures, or need to do a special login to DropBox.

Maybe I'll get my own.  But I guess I then may also need to go to large fonts ...   ;)
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Re: Thumb Up Button with Counter for posts
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2015, 01:34 PM »
Sorry Peter, thumbs down.

You either have an opinion or a contributive statement or not. Also not all posts need to be debated, which this suggested voting system implies.

In many ways this thread reiterates why I do not like +1.  [eek]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/forum-rules-guidelines-suggestions/let-us-all-ban-1/msg334314/#msg334314

Thumbs Down to really large fonts in posts and replies.  I am getting neck strain moving my head lift and right to read the entire reply ...    [big grin]

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