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Offline Chris Meggersee

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Kapex Cost
« on: May 26, 2010, 07:28 PM »
http://www.boman.co.za/pFESTOOL_561283/Sliding-compound-mitre-saw-KAPEX-KS-120.aspx

15 Grand for a SCMS. I laughed myself to my bed and cried myself to sleep...
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 07:57 PM »
http://www.boman.co.za/pFESTOOL_561283/Sliding-compound-mitre-saw-KAPEX-KS-120.aspx

15 Grand for a SCMS. I laughed myself to my bed and cried myself to sleep...

It should be noted that Chris is referring to the cost of the Kapex KS120 in South Africa, which this dealer is selling at 14,939.70 Rand.

Current exchange rate according to www.xe.com is 1 US Dollar  = 7.77762 South African Rand.

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2010, 03:30 AM »
Strange lad
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2010, 04:31 AM »
Strange lad

But you don't understand, I wish I had a Kapex but at almost double the cost of the makita or half the cost of my car I just can't justify it. I don't know if it is any cheaper in the states but I can't understand how most of the members of this forum own one at that cost.

Although I won't deny that I am a little weird, sorry guys :)
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2010, 05:44 AM »
The cost of tools is relative, relative to how many days or weeks one has to work to pay for them ;D
Directly adjusting from one currency to another does not take into account the differing scales of pay around the world or the line of work the purchaser is in.

For example: A lawyer who buys tools for hobby purposes will probably have more money to spend than a carpenter who buys them for work in the same city.
I have to work for a week to buy a T15+3 with the chucks in the UK ( based on the current local average wage for a carpenter) but it would have taken 3 weeks when I was working in Greece.

Another way to look at tooling costs is to reflect on how much they cost per day of work over their lifespan.
My previous cordless drill lasted 3 years and cost GBP 125.00 and had one chuck, had been repaired once by me when the forward/reverse switch's peg selector broke, so it cost me 18 pence a day for 690 workdays.
If the T15 only lasts the same length of time it will cost me 77 pence per day, not taking into account that I do not need to purchase a right angle drill to compliment it and have the other benefits that make life easier. I suspect that the T15 will last much longer than 3 years so the daily cost will decrease accordingly, eh! Festool? ;D

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2010, 06:07 AM »
The cost of tools is relative, relative to how many days or weeks one has to work to pay for them ;D
Directly adjusting from one currency to another does not take into account the differing scales of pay around the world or the line of work the purchaser is in.

For example: A lawyer who buys tools for hobby purposes will probably have more money to spend than a carpenter who buys them for work in the same city.
I have to work for a week to buy a T15+3 with the chucks in the UK ( based on the current local average wage for a carpenter) but it would have taken 3 weeks when I was working in Greece.

Another way to look at tooling costs is to reflect on how much they cost per day of work over their lifespan.
My previous cordless drill lasted 3 years and cost GBP 125.00 and had one chuck, had been repaired once by me when the forward/reverse switch's peg selector broke, so it cost me 18 pence a day for 690 workdays.
If the T15 only lasts the same length of time it will cost me 77 pence per day, not taking into account that I do not need to purchase a right angle drill to compliment it and have the other benefits that make life easier. I suspect that the T15 will last much longer than 3 years so the daily cost will decrease accordingly, eh! Festool? ;D

Rob, stuck at home with a ripped neck muscle so not earning [sad] nor wearing out tools [big grin].


Hi Rob that's exactly the way I look at tool purchases. initial cost,days worked to pay for it then how much time will it save me and will it make work easier.
tool life expectancy,and running cost of the tool.. for me the best time saving and production simplification, has to be the domino over the life of the tool the advantages are almost unquantifiable.

the neck thing sounds nasty [sad]
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2010, 10:06 AM »
Neck thing is what the quacks term as "discomfort"  [eek] ;D You just have to get on with it.
I am supposed to be replacing and repairing 4 staircases in a circa 1750's house, heard this morning that the clients have again changed minds and now want to change treads to pine not MDF as planned. So it looks like a Domino will be on order sooner than planned! ;D Any excuse eh!

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2010, 01:12 PM »
My brain doesnt work like that lol.  If a new tool comes out and its like a gadget makes job easier quicker and no one has one I buy it lol. I bought a level because it can extend from 8' to 14' long  never used it lol waist of money 260 pounds for a level stupid!!!!!!!
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2010, 01:19 PM »
Jmb it would have to be self leveling for me to spend that much [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]



Rob stiff upper neck [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2010, 01:56 PM »
I just cannot come up with R15 000 any time soon so it's going to have to stay on my wish list. Any chance of Festool sponsoring me? I'll put huge "Festool" stickers on my car or write "Festool" huge on the house roof so when google earth's satellite comes over it can be a great advertisment... and yes you can see my roof on google earth.
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2010, 02:11 PM »
The problem with that is the photo has aready been taken so if you put a sign on your roof  no one would see it  [big grin]
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2010, 02:22 PM »
I wish I had a Kapex but at almost double the cost of the makita or half the cost of my car I just can't justify it.

How do you justify the Festools you do have?

I can get a 1000 Watt plunge router for half the price of the OF1010.

I can get a Makita circular saw for 1/3 the price of the TS55.

Why the trouble with paying double the Mak LS saw versus the Kapex?

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2010, 02:25 PM »
I just cannot come up with R15 000 any time soon so it's going to have to stay on my wish list. Any chance of Festool sponsoring me? I'll put huge "Festool" stickers on my car or write "Festool" huge on the house roof so when google earth's satellite comes over it can be a great advertisment... and yes you can see my roof on google earth.


Festool uses people like us  on this forum for free advertising they have a massive market unlike makita and Dewalt  Festool owners are different type of people dare I say it more geeky they are more into what they do. So they like showing people festool with enjoyment knowing that the people or person they are showing havent seen it befor and so trying to convince them its a better tool than what they own or have seen on the shop shelves! The amount of video and pictures loaded up by festool tool owners is LOADS why?!?! its because its the type of people who by festool.

So aslong as festool keep up the service quality and new ideas for tools  we as people will advertise the tools for free they just need to keep us happy and we return the favour.
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2010, 02:59 PM »
The problem with that is the photo has aready been taken so if you put a sign on your roof  no one would see it  [big grin]

Then I'll get a tatoo :)

I wish I had a Kapex but at almost double the cost of the makita or half the cost of my car I just can't justify it.

How do you justify the Festools you do have?

I can get a 1000 Watt plunge router for half the price of the OF1010.

I can get a Makita circular saw for 1/3 the price of the TS55.

Why the trouble with paying double the Mak LS saw versus the Kapex?

Yeah, I can see where you are going with this. It's just recently the makita scms has been cutting about 1 degree off and it is annoying the heck out of me not to mention the fact that it's lazer is pretty useless (This is due to me however, not having time to set it properly) and dust extraction is almost non existent. My dad has this 'rule' type thing that goes "You need 2 sets of tools; one for rough, quick inaccurate work and one for accurate special work." and Festool always falls under the latter. I guess considering we payed R9000 for the Domino R15 000 is understandable. I don't know I'm just moaning because I want one I guess. Ignore this post. Sorry.

I just cannot come up with R15 000 any time soon so it's going to have to stay on my wish list. Any chance of Festool sponsoring me? I'll put huge "Festool" stickers on my car or write "Festool" huge on the house roof so when google earth's satellite comes over it can be a great advertisment... and yes you can see my roof on google earth.


Festool uses people like us  on this forum for free advertising they have a massive market unlike makita and Dewalt  Festool owners are different type of people dare I say it more geeky they are more into what they do. So they like showing people festool with enjoyment knowing that the people or person they are showing havent seen it befor and so trying to convince them its a better tool than what they own or have seen on the shop shelves! The amount of video and pictures loaded up by festool tool owners is LOADS why?!?! its because its the type of people who by festool.

So aslong as festool keep up the service quality and new ideas for tools  we as people will advertise the tools for free they just need to keep us happy and we return the favour.

We may be "geeky" but to this day I have yet to find another brand of tool that can match the consistency, reliablility, accuracy and innovation of Festool. The sad truth is even if we hated them and they didn't keep us happy we don't have an alternative, not over here anyway :/
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2010, 03:01 PM »
yeah but so do other companies       http://dewaltownersgroup.com/

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2010, 03:17 PM »
yeah but so do other companies       http://dewaltownersgroup.com/

Like I said  a lot more of us. Look at the size of the forum its tiny compared to this one  their is nooooooo where near as may topics and discussions their is only like just 800 topics very small.  I know im rite.   Not many none festool owners use the internet for tools discussions.   This one has thousands and thousands of topics and posts.
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2010, 05:12 PM »
Just found out that the Kapex is a heck load cheaper in the US:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002MYMVWM/?tag=hotproduct00-20

Using amazon it costs $1300 (that is excluding shipping)

$1300 X 7.77762 = R10110.90

A mere R5000 off.... Why oh why does the US use different votages and socket plugs, and why does SA have such ridiculously restrictive import laws?  :(
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2010, 06:22 PM »
Here in the UK  we are prime example why you should have restrictive import laws   we lost most or businesses in the UK and we are just becoming a importing country we hardly export and it isn't sustainable as we are making no money in selling are products so we are just becoming poorer. All are companies are leaving UK because of what Labour has done  and we import from all these 3rd world countrys because of cheap labour and because we cant do anything are selfs any more.  IF we where more tight on importing people have not got a choice but to buy  UK products in the UK instead of trying to import at lower cost and we would have to have are own company's to produce what we need and if we produce to much we can then sell it of export it and make money and then we would get out of debt and become like Germany. Germany are a good example how to run a country. FESTOOL just quality they make sure they make quality stuff even if it inst cheap it still sells.  Here in the UK is all about cheap labour from abroad and  products  food  everything     England is ********************************

Any way now I have calmed! Now Torys and Lib dems are in hopefully we be out of debt as soon as possible  and soon as they have got us out of debt all the stupid English people will vote labour back in to spend spend spend again ill never understand it but hey.  Years ago Torys Maggie Thatcher got us out of Debt again cuased by Labour and then Labour came in again and we are back in Debt. People Tell me y? y do you vote Labour is is because you people think the word Labour stands for working class?? cus ill never get it.

Labours Policies the more you work the harder you work the more TAX you pay don't work at all and you are given tax ( benefits)  where was the incentive to work?? Your better of not working??!!? Cant blame people taking the easy option

Hmmm, this certainly sounds familiar...  You could almost cut 'UK' and paste 'US' -- only it doesn't look as there is any chance that our country will ever get out of debt again -- ever.  Well, not unless we see hyper inflation and it takes a few trillion dollars to purchase a loaf of bread.  Oh, wait, that's the path we're on -- my wife just got back from the grocery store.  See, those politicians just may have it all figured out.  Not.  This would be funny if the joke wasn't on us.
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2010, 02:31 AM »
Here in the UK  we are prime example why you should have restrictive import laws   we lost most or businesses in the UK and we are just becoming a importing country we hardly export and it isn't sustainable as we are making no money in selling are products so we are just becoming poorer. All are companies are leaving UK because of what Labour has done  and we import from all these 3rd world countrys because of cheap labour and because we cant do anything are selfs any more.  IF we where more tight on importing people have not got a choice but to buy  UK products in the UK instead of trying to import at lower cost and we would have to have are own company's to produce what we need and if we produce to much we can then sell it of export it and make money and then we would get out of debt and become like Germany. Germany are a good example how to run a country. FESTOOL just quality they make sure they make quality stuff even if it inst cheap it still sells.  Here in the UK is all about cheap labour from abroad and  products  food  everything     England is ********************************

Any way now I have calmed! Now Torys and Lib dems are in hopefully we be out of debt as soon as possible  and soon as they have got us out of debt all the stupid English people will vote labour back in to spend spend spend again ill never understand it but hey.  Years ago Torys Maggie Thatcher got us out of Debt again cuased by Labour and then Labour came in again and we are back in Debt. People Tell me y? y do you vote Labour is is because you people think the word Labour stands for working class?? cus ill never get it.

Labours Policies the more you work the harder you work the more TAX you pay don't work at all and you are given tax ( benefits)  where was the incentive to work?? Your better of not working??!!? Cant blame people taking the easy option

Hmmm, this certainly sounds familiar...  You could almost cut 'UK' and paste 'US' -- only it doesn't look as there is any chance that our country will ever get out of debt again -- ever.  Well, not unless we see hyper inflation and it takes a few trillion dollars to purchase a loaf of bread.  Oh, wait, that's the path we're on -- my wife just got back from the grocery store.  See, those politicians just may have it all figured out.  Not.  This would be funny if the joke wasn't on us.

The problem with the UK is most people do not realize  when they are well off.if you think germany is so good go and live there. Nothing stopping you,.... you may not like the fact that vat is 19% and income tax is around 50% and there are so many  laws and rules for everything your head will spin

that's why we have a million poles here in the UK

the UK is now a service industry like most first world country's.
we cant produce goods at a price people can afford,
If you did build a factory production line it would be staffed by eastern Europeans because they would put up with the conditions.
the price of festools is a good example of something produced in a first world country and most people cannot afford them or will not pay what festool want  for them.

and its makes no difference who runs the country they are all the same greedy self obsessed and looking out for no,1

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2010, 03:55 AM »
I worked on a large exhibition in Amsterdam for a number of years and it does seem to be a nice place, they do export a lot of plants to the uk.and I think they have a good shipbuilding. but only one type of cheese [big grin]
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2010, 07:35 AM »
Ha you think having restrictive import laws are helping to sell SA goods? Not a chance. The market here is flooded with chinese merchandise selling at a much much lower price also sc***ing over the SA market not to mention the Government here that is so corrupt it seems it almost endorses crime so that people will have to buy more stuff, pay more tax and fill their pockets that little bit more. It's a shame Mandela is so old because I believe that if he could see SA how it is now he would be ashamed.

However we at least did not cause a HUGE oil leak in the middle of the ocean and then struggle to plug it. ;) I can't imagine how thats going to hurt the UK.
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2010, 08:19 AM »
However we at least did not cause a HUGE oil leak in the middle of the ocean and then struggle to plug it. ;) I can't imagine how thats going to hurt the UK.

It's not our fault... [eek]
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2010, 10:47 AM »
You do know it is BP who *caused it right? BP = British Petrolium. BP = Not British?
Apparently they owe millions in damages and have lost 3 times as much money in oil :/

At the least it's going to make petrol go up a little bit for you guys.


* Note I do not mean that BP caused it on purpose, it was an accident.
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2010, 12:27 PM »
Chris, I think you will find that fuel prices will increase globally as the supply will diminish against the demand. BP is a UK based multinational company and has an American corporate office. The 'accident' was best described by a blogger as " engineering designers underestimating the force of mother nature" [eek] but in this litigeous world we live in it will equate to someone being blamed, certain companies being fined and us all paying extra in insurance premiums to cover the multi-levelled insurance companies payouts.
While down the line the affected wildlife and livelyhoods of those who rely on nature for an income will be forgotten. [sad]

However, what will be of huge concern to us, as Festool customers and/or addicts, is that due to many plastics being sourced from the oil industry and the increase in transport fuel costs and insurance policies, is of course we will be less able to afford them [eek] [eek] [scared]

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2010, 12:38 PM »
Chris, I think you will find that fuel prices will increase globally as the supply will diminish against the demand. BP is a UK based multinational company and has an American corporate office. The 'accident' was best described by a blogger as " engineering designers underestimating the force of mother nature" [eek] but in this litigeous world we live in it will equate to someone being blamed, certain companies being fined and us all paying extra in insurance premiums to cover the multi-levelled insurance companies payouts.
While down the line the affected wildlife and livelyhoods of those who rely on nature for an income will be forgotten. [sad]

However, what will be of huge concern to us, as Festool customers and/or addicts, is that due to many plastics being sourced from the oil industry and the increase in transport fuel costs and insurance policies, is of course we will be less able to afford them [eek] [eek] [scared]

Rob [wink]


I agree with you there!!! 

and its a shame about the people who have lost there jobs and businesses.

makes me upset the most are the animals who are affected by all this.
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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2010, 12:39 PM »
After all this  BP will be drained and will have to sell up and Shell will buy them out I reckon.
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2010, 01:45 PM »
.. and that's a privately owned company, from Holland... Thanks a lot.

I must disagree with you regarding the cleaning. If ( as you state ) NHS offices are dirty, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the origin of the people who actually do the job of cleaning these offices.
In my experience, people originating from lesser developed countries are prone to do an excellent job. Perhaps even a better job than fellow workers from the "first world" countries. And for lesser wages as well, 99%  of the time.
And they're employees - point your accusations to their employers.

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2010, 06:43 AM »
.. and that's a privately owned company, from Holland... Thanks a lot.

I must disagree with you regarding the cleaning. If ( as you state ) NHS offices are dirty, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the origin of the people who actually do the job of cleaning these offices.
In my experience, people originating from lesser developed countries are prone to do an excellent job. Perhaps even a better job than fellow workers from the "first world" countries. And for lesser wages as well, 99%  of the time.
And they're employees - point your accusations to their employers.

Regards,

Job

I will have to disagree with you there with the employees cus its far less than 99% but I also agree with you with the employers it is also the employers fault. Mite be different in Holland. When I lived there for 10 years I enjoyed it and your health service is brilliant compared to NHS(UK) I lived in Noord Brabant little town called Made. Things like braces is very commen in Holland because its best time sort your teeth out but here  UK teeth hygiene seems to be Zero and the dentist don't care I know because I have lived England 13 years Holland 10 years I have used NHS but I now always go Private because I don't like waiting months to have something sorted out and have a rubbish job done

My brother broke his hand in a gym because some one dropped a weight onto it he drove with one hand to Stafford Hospital in UK they looked at it n said nothing wrong with your hand and send him home. He was in a lot of pain! Me and my Mother looked at his hand and his little finger and ring fingers where bent down. So my mum went mad called up the Hospital and said I will sue you with everything I got if you don't sort his hand out because I know its broken. They where very sorry and said to tell him to come back in and we will have another look. Turned out is was broken in two places and needed two plates screwing into his hand.
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I can go on and on but I cant I have been told off so cant say no more so this is my last little rant lol.

Happy place!  [big grin]   

Tell you what I should be moaning about it my Festool Cravex!!!!!   I Paid for it 2 weeks ago and I still have not received it from festool. The 500pounds  has been out of my bank for 2 weeks and I have nothing to show for it.

I have been using the Ug Kapex stand I got that after 2 days but was told the jigsaw would soon fallow.
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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2010, 03:01 PM »
Ha you think having restrictive import laws are helping to sell SA goods? Not a chance. The market here is flooded with chinese merchandise selling at a much much lower price also sc***ing over the SA market not to mention the Government here that is so corrupt it seems it almost endorses crime so that people will have to buy more stuff, pay more tax and fill their pockets that little bit more. It's a shame Mandela is so old because I believe that if he could see SA how it is now he would be ashamed.

However we at least did not cause a HUGE oil leak in the middle of the ocean and then struggle to plug it. ;) I can't imagine how thats going to hurt the UK.

neither did we, yeah it was bp, but it was transoceans equipment which is a company started in lousiana

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Re: Kapex Cost
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2010, 03:49 PM »
Ha you think having restrictive import laws are helping to sell SA goods? Not a chance. The market here is flooded with chinese merchandise selling at a much much lower price also sc***ing over the SA market not to mention the Government here that is so corrupt it seems it almost endorses crime so that people will have to buy more stuff, pay more tax and fill their pockets that little bit more. It's a shame Mandela is so old because I believe that if he could see SA how it is now he would be ashamed.

However we at least did not cause a HUGE oil leak in the middle of the ocean and then struggle to plug it. ;) I can't imagine how thats going to hurt the UK.

neither did we, yeah it was bp, but it was transoceans equipment which is a company started in lousiana

I realise that I should have not posted that comment without understanding the situation fully  [embarassed] sorry UK, it's not your fault. Curse my youthful ways.
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