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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2017, 02:32 PM »
    Not having a like button hasn't got much to do with being politically correct. Whenever this has come up the discussion usually ends with more people not wanting it than wanting it, or at least a split decision, for a variety of reasons. One of the things a like  button tends to do is mute actually discussing a topic and real comments.  Actual discussion is something a forum does well and separates it from other types of social media. There is plenty of liking , disliking, gaining followers and being popular on other venues.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2017, 02:37 PM »
This topic is veering a bit. But certainly picture posting seems to be part of the problem , along with people not getting any feedback on projects. I find it interesting that some have trouble posting pictures and some have no problem at all. I have gathered over the years that this frequently has to do with the device being used. Seems to be pretty easy from a computer and not so much from a phone. And also whether or not a hosting service is involved as opposed to just attaching from the devices inherent memory files.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2017, 02:45 PM »
Not a fan of "Likes" or "Dislikes" myself. Without a comment, you don't know what a viewer really likes or doesn't like about with a simple push of a button: my project, or my tools, or the finishing, or something else (photo quality, e.g.). But for the record, I do not own any FB, Instagram or Twitter account and so I may not understand enough why people like to "like" or "dislike".

As I said, I share my projects on LJ regularly, purely to share my builds, special tools used, techniques used, errors made and fixed, etc. I would continue to do so even if one day comments were disallowed on LJ. It is normal woodworkers who look at the same project may have different opinions about it, and I never think for a moment that I need someone else -- known or unknown to me -- for endorsement. I am always proud of the work I produce because I give every piece my best shot.
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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2017, 12:49 AM »
Linking to images located elsewhere works I know but 5 or however many years
from now when you no longer have that account your post will be left with no pics.

For some threads no images leaves a big gap in how well the subject matter is
understood by someone viewing that thread w/o the photos.
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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2017, 06:42 AM »
snipe

For some threads no images leaves a big gap in how well the subject matter is
understood by someone viewing that thread w/o the photos.

Absolutely true, especially with more complex matters. I have seen many in which the discussions would have been simpler or shorter if "more than a 1000 words" or two had been included. Check out any user or installation manuals and you will see my point.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2017, 08:42 AM »
1.   I have gathered over the years that this frequently has to do with the device being used. Seems to be pretty easy from a computer and not so much from a phone.

2.   And also whether or not a hosting service is involved as opposed to just attaching from the devices inherent memory files.

1.   I cannot remember a time when I've had an issue with photo orientation when posting from a computer. I have had orientation issues when using an iPhone or iPad. However, it's not all the time but it has increased in frequency over the last 12-18 months.

I have however experienced the blank page phenomenon on all 3 devices. This has also increased in frequency over the last 8-9 months.

2.   Not a fan of the hosting service thing...like others have said, once you change services or they go toes-up, you've lost your documentation.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2017, 09:00 AM »
All my image uploaded have been from the computer. I take them using the phone camera and they are uploaded to the cloud. I grab them from the sync'd folder on the desktop computer and strip out any EXIF personal information, do any image manipulation/cropping/resizing then save. After saving locally I upload to the forum. The result is hit or miss. Most images  in a series uploaded during the same session will display as intended but sometimes one or two will seem to have a mind of their own.

Sorry for dragging this thread off topic. This issue probably should have a thread of its own but there is nothing to do it seems so probably not worth the effort.
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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2017, 09:07 AM »
I've been on multiple forums that eventually had photos lost to upgrades, including if I am not mistaken, this one. I also prefer to have complete control over them for various regions. In reality, the only permanent things online are the things you don't want to be.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2017, 09:09 AM »
I caution anyone to not upload photos to this forum.  Over time, they often are lost and the thread becomes useless.  It's much better to upload all your photos to a cloud service, then copy and paste the url to each photo between the image brackets using the button that looks like a picture frame on the left side. 
The added bonus is there are no annoying thumbnails, the image is full sized.  I use Flickr.  You get 1 TB for free and my phone automatically uploads the photos as I take them using the Flickr app.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2017, 09:35 AM »
I have read many responses here about why not posting projects to forum.  I started this thread because I thought it was important to discuss.  Festool has NEVER asked me to start a thread since becoming a Moderator in 2009 about something to get information.  I have always made my own decisions regarding that and I admit I have a few that generated ZERO to minimal interest.

Why haven't I posted more projects on the Forum?  Well, frankly, I am not a very exciting woodworker / carpenter.  Making a living using my hands so to speak creates a divide for me.  When I am not working I spend much time thinking about cool things to do and post, but the whole life balance thing comes into play and at the end of the day that MFT hasn't been unfolded and cool things didn't get done.  A perfect example would be a series I planned years ago about constructing a 10 x 12 shop.  Throw into the mix a few life challenges and viola! virtually no projects or videos.  When I have had a cool project that I thought others would enjoy or learn from or use as perhaps a thought incubator for thoughts; I have posted. 

I live woodworking as a creative, vibrant, necessary expression of art and skills vicariously thru what others post here.  So there you have it.  It's out in the open and am so busted.  My question was totally about my selfishness and needing to understand why I couldn't get my woodworking "high" as often as I used to on the FOG. 

Posting pictures is an issue and a pain on the FOG:  Yes it can be.  I have spent much time over the years correcting and rotating images for members that have been posted.  I have also visually edited them to enhance lighting and exposure and bring out colors and details.  Yes years ago I bought fairly expensive software that allowed me to do that.  Forum software is like "one size fits all" clothing.  It might fit but that doesn't mean that it will always look right.  With all the different operating systems out there on computers and mobile devices out there it would be phenomenal if in every instance posting a project thread with images worked perfectly all the time.

So here are some suggestions to reduce stress and help improve the odds of success gleaned from my experiences here:

1.  Consider your posting to be a meal you are cooking.  Get all the required ingredients ready ahead of time.  Write your content outside of the forum software so that you can save and then cut and paste into the post.

2.  When you take pictures of your project always shoot in landscape mode.  That is the most accepted way of doing it and I suspect that what is considered "the norm" by the software and when it looks at the dimensions of the images it makes an assumption that it SHOULD be landscape so it rotates portrait to be like landscape.

3.  There is absolutely no need to have huge images here and rely on the software to adjust.  Taking pictures at resolutions available on modern cameras or devices for show here is a waste of memory space on your device and has a possibility to cause issues with automatic resizing.  So many issues with images posting strangely over the years have been corrected by simply reducing the size or resolution of the image.

4.  Don't post a bunch of high resolution images in the same post.  The processing time to resize slows everything down and you have a greater chance of a time out and frustration.

5.  If you a have a bunch of images in a lengthy post, consider adding your text, posting your thread and then modifying to add images.

I sense the frustration.  I went thru a period years ago when I couldn't post a response of just text quick enough to not have a time out.  Software patches took care of that issue for me.  But it didn't make it any better at that exact moment when I discovered my work had disappeared.

Peter

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2017, 10:03 AM »
@Trevin PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE POST!!!!!!  I'm currently planning a redo of my above-the-bench tool cabinet to accommodate the handtools I've been integrating into my woodworking over the past year and a half, and I need all the ideas/reference images I can get.

I agree that when someone posts a new project it does get shuffled off the list pretty quickly.  I know I can go to the section for "Member Projects" and I do occasionally but most of the time I just check in on the bottom of the home screen due to lack of time just to check in on whats new? 

I enjoy seeing other members projects and like to contribute as well.  Can pick up some good ideas that way.  I am working on a "hand tool" wall cabinet now and will post some pics when finished.  I am bad at reminding myself to take pictures as I build.  Will have to remind myself or put up a sign in the shop to remind me....


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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2017, 10:15 AM »
There have been two instances that I am aware of when images went missing.  And yes the resulting holes in posts are annoying, terrible, and suck. 

When the forum was first created it wasn't image friendly to any degree.  Then a mod came out ( I believe) that allowed members to set up a gallery here on the forum (i.e. a separate database) to load their images and then when posting it would reference to those images.  Over time the software improved and the gallery was eliminated thru updates to the software that needed to be performed for more than cosmetic reasons.  Therefore the linked area disappeared.

The second instance was when the forum became very unstable.  In an effort to get the forum back online an oops happened that has rendered many images from posts older than I believe missing.

If you can host your images on an image sharing site and link you do absolutely control the destiny of your images.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2017, 10:17 AM »
Thanks for your thoughts @Peter Halle  There's only so much one man can do, and your valuable service as a forum moderator more than makes up for your lack of model behavior as a project poster [tongue]

I've had many of the frustrations about image posting mentioned above, but I have adapted my habits to account for the FOG's idiosyncrasies.  I do almost all my posting from the computer by the way, after resizing all the images down <500k  Thanks @ChuckM for the program recommendation -- I had been doing it one by one up to this point, so this batch compressor will save some time. 

I have read many responses here about why not posting projects to forum.  I started this thread because I thought it was important to discuss.  Festool has NEVER asked me to start a thread since becoming a Moderator in 2009 about something to get information.  I have always made my own decisions regarding that and I admit I have a few that generated ZERO to minimal interest.

Why haven't I posted more projects on the Forum?  Well, frankly, I am not a very exciting woodworker / carpenter.  Making a living using my hands so to speak creates a divide for me.  When I am not working I spend much time thinking about cool things to do and post, but the whole life balance thing comes into play and at the end of the day that MFT hasn't been unfolded and cool things didn't get done.  A perfect example would be a series I planned years ago about constructing a 10 x 12 shop.  Throw into the mix a few life challenges and viola! virtually no projects or videos.  When I have had a cool project that I thought others would enjoy or learn from or use as perhaps a thought incubator for thoughts; I have posted. 

I live woodworking as a creative, vibrant, necessary expression of art and skills vicariously thru what others post here.  So there you have it.  It's out in the open and am so busted.  My question was totally about my selfishness and needing to understand why I couldn't get my woodworking "high" as often as I used to on the FOG. 

Posting pictures is an issue and a pain on the FOG:  Yes it can be.  I have spent much time over the years correcting and rotating images for members that have been posted.  I have also visually edited them to enhance lighting and exposure and bring out colors and details.  Yes years ago I bought fairly expensive software that allowed me to do that.  Forum software is like "one size fits all" clothing.  It might fit but that doesn't mean that it will always look right.  With all the different operating systems out there on computers and mobile devices out there it would be phenomenal if in every instance posting a project thread with images worked perfectly all the time.

So here are some suggestions to reduce stress and help improve the odds of success gleaned from my experiences here:

1.  Consider your posting to be a meal you are cooking.  Get all the required ingredients ready ahead of time.  Write your content outside of the forum software so that you can save and then cut and paste into the post.

2.  When you take pictures of your project always shoot in landscape mode.  That is the most accepted way of doing it and I suspect that what is considered "the norm" by the software and when it looks at the dimensions of the images it makes an assumption that it SHOULD be landscape so it rotates portrait to be like landscape.

3.  There is absolutely no need to have huge images here and rely on the software to adjust.  Taking pictures at resolutions available on modern cameras or devices for show here is a waste of memory space on your device and has a possibility to cause issues with automatic resizing.  So many issues with images posting strangely over the years have been corrected by simply reducing the size or resolution of the image.

4.  Don't post a bunch of high resolution images in the same post.  The processing time to resize slows everything down and you have a greater chance of a time out and frustration.

5.  If you a have a bunch of images in a lengthy post, consider adding your text, posting your thread and then modifying to add images.

I sense the frustration.  I went thru a period years ago when I couldn't post a response of just text quick enough to not have a time out.  Software patches took care of that issue for me.  But it didn't make it any better at that exact moment when I discovered my work had disappeared.

Peter

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2017, 10:53 AM »
I've been on multiple forums that eventually had photos lost to upgrades, including if I am not mistaken, this one. I also prefer to have complete control over them for various regions. In reality, the only permanent things online are the things you don't want to be.

I've lost posts and images on other forums too. A recent hit took over 600 posts on various topics and projects over a period of 6 years away. They were able to restore the text in the posts but the images were lost.
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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2017, 01:10 PM »
I think an interesting statistic would be the average age of forum members. I suspect it will be on the more “mature” end of the scale.

Maybe the forum doesn’t have enough young, innovative blood, doing work that is fresh and unique that have the motivation to post it. The majority of project posts I see are quality, admirable work, but frankly quite boring. Same goes for a lot of the bloggers who share video content here, often  the things they make are stayed and their presenting style is a bit stale best and cringe-worthy at its worst.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2017, 01:53 PM »
@ear3 I will post some pics when done.  It will take me a little while to finish this up.  Been busy with work, kids and a 3D printer....

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2017, 02:01 PM »
I caution anyone to not upload photos to this forum.  Over time, they often are lost and the thread becomes useless.  It's much better to upload all your photos to a cloud service, then copy and paste the url to each photo between the image brackets using the button that looks like a picture frame on the left side. 
The added bonus is there are no annoying thumbnails, the image is full sized.  I use Flickr.  You get 1 TB for free and my phone automatically uploads the photos as I take them using the Flickr app.

There have recently been issues with hosting services too so really the only safe way to not permanently lose pics is to have your own real back up. So that they can be reinserted if / when necessary. I know there are a bunch of my topics and posts on FOG that are missing pictures do to the big pic loss several years ago. I have put pics back in when those topics pop up. A hassle but not a big deal because I still have all the pics on my own (backed up) hard drive.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2017, 02:19 PM »
I caution anyone to not upload photos to this forum.  Over time, they often are lost and the thread becomes useless.  It's much better to upload all your photos to a cloud service, then copy and paste the url to each photo between the image brackets using the button that looks like a picture frame on the left side. 
The added bonus is there are no annoying thumbnails, the image is full sized.  I use Flickr.  You get 1 TB for free and my phone automatically uploads the photos as I take them using the Flickr app.
1) It can go both ways. Forums (and this one is no exception) are full of old posts with dead links to out-of-business picture hosting services and closed accounts.
2) You have an option of displaing your uploaded picture as full image right here too.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2017, 02:28 PM »
I caution anyone to not upload photos to this forum.  Over time, they often are lost and the thread becomes useless.  It's much better to upload all your photos to a cloud service, then copy and paste the url to each photo between the image brackets using the button that looks like a picture frame on the left side. 
The added bonus is there are no annoying thumbnails, the image is full sized.  I use Flickr.  You get 1 TB for free and my phone automatically uploads the photos as I take them using the Flickr app.
1) It can go both ways. Forums (and this one is no exception) are full of old posts with dead links to out-of-business picture hosting services and closed accounts.
2) You have an option of displaing your uploaded picture as full image right here too.

Yup, forgot to point that out. To the right of the pic attachment box there is a drop down with five options ...... thumbnail, full, etc.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2017, 11:49 PM »
Im a lot like Peter (only better looking  [big grin] ).

Though I love woodworking and have a butt load of festools in fact mainly festools, I dont post a lot of my stuff.

 Its pretty basic stuff compared to what Ive seen other post. I primariy renovate and up grade my home and build things for friends and family.

Even my shop is basic mainly just spur shelving.

I do have a platform bed Im going to be building in a couple of weeks nothing special, Ill post it but definately not heirloom like some post here. Ill prolly ostly post the finishing schedule as its a technique I learned in the finishing class I recently took.

I spent the day domino-ing drawers/ Trays to organize ans store things on the shelving.
Nothing exciting.
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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2017, 04:18 AM »
    Not having a like button hasn't got much to do with being politically correct. Whenever this has come up the discussion usually ends with more people not wanting it than wanting it, or at least a split decision, for a variety of reasons.
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I never realised that we had a vote.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2017, 10:46 AM »
    Not having a like button hasn't got much to do with being politically correct. Whenever this has come up the discussion usually ends with more people not wanting it than wanting it, or at least a split decision, for a variety of reasons.
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I never realised that we had a vote.

Not referring to a vote but there have been several discussions on it.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2017, 11:48 AM »
why have a vote good or bad project. This isnt dancing with the stars ya know. Someone (like me) post a basic project and gets a lot of views with a few comments.

Instead of voting ya can just give them a "u suck" comment and go on. its the same thing as a negative vote right? If their is some advise or criticism just ask the guy why he did it that way and not some other way.

Most of the stuff is personal preference, skill level and tools availability and space...

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2017, 09:59 PM »
    Not having a like button hasn't got much to do with being politically correct. Whenever this has come up the discussion usually ends with more people not wanting it than wanting it, or at least a split decision, for a variety of reasons.
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I never realised that we had a vote.

Not referring to a vote but there have been several discussions on it.

Seth

Well I like the idea of a like button, as it allows one to acknowledge a post without posting any drivel.

In any case I posted a couple of small projects yesterday, to show some support along with the thread's title. Nothing to fancy, but even small projects are projects.

I did also see the beautiful post on the mid century modern credenza, which was deserving of a like... So I posted some drivel that but myself and the Boss liked it.

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2017, 10:21 PM »
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In any case I posted a couple of small projects yesterday, to show some support along with the thread's title. Nothing to fancy, but even small projects are projects.


Projects are projects, never mind how small or how large. I would define a large project as just a lengthy continuim of a small project. The process is the same...the only difference is how long it takes to complete it.  [big grin]

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2017, 10:28 PM »
?

In any case I posted a couple of small projects yesterday, to show some support along with the thread's title. Nothing to fancy, but even small projects are projects.


Projects are projects, never mind how small or how large. I would define a large project as just a lengthy continuim of a small project. The process is the same...the only difference is how long it takes to complete it.  [big grin]

Or the difference being expected time versus real time.
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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2017, 10:32 PM »
why have a vote good or bad project. This isnt dancing with the stars ya know. Someone (like me) post a basic project and gets a lot of views with a few comments.

Instead of voting ya can just give them a "u suck" comment and go on. its the same thing as a negative vote right? If their is some advise or criticism just ask the guy why he did it that way and not some other way.

Most of the stuff is personal preference, skill level and tools availability and space...

After woodworking for 22years Ive perfected the art of butchering about every species of wood on 2 continents  [big grin]

No , not a vote on whether or not a project is good or bad. A vote on whether or not members want a like button.

Sorry for the muddling of discussion within the project topic.

Seth

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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2017, 10:48 PM »
Interesting point...time versus real time.

From my experience:
Time = haus frau’s desired time line.
Real time = the actual time it takes for the project to be completed by a competent worker.


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Re: Lack of Project Posts on the Forum
« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2017, 11:45 PM »
Interesting point...time versus real time.

From my experience:
Time = haus frau’s desired time line.
Real time = the actual time it takes for the project to be completed by a competent worker.

M8, I have to hear about incompetence at home too ;)
I thought this was a safe place ;)