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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2008, 05:46 PM » |
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Just curious, when will the winners be posted? (now I have some incentive to really go build some cool stuff  ) Good luck to everyone, there's some amazing talent here. |
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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2008, 05:51 PM » |
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Because they will be discussed using the same criteria and with the same respect the North Americans are getting.
That won't change but i see no need to include them in the discussion as to who wins the monthly prize since they are excluded. In other words no need to nominate them as potential winners. |
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2008, 05:56 PM » |
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I just found a nice little project by dirty and if not for this contest I would never have sought it out. I can see myself going thru the member area just skipping the non North American threads completely because I am so busy. And really its rude.
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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2008, 06:16 PM » |
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True, maybe I will just feel bad. The rules in themselves can be rude even if they are followed.
Enough said by me on this subject, I have to get to looking at these projects!
Nick, be careful! Your prize for this contest might just be an ulcer.  John |
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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2008, 08:07 PM » |
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Above it says to submit my pics in this thread. Do I need to move my pics here?
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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2008, 08:32 PM » |
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Bill, no, just post to your thread(s). A winner be picked at the end of the month and the contest starts again the first of the next month. All project will be eligible the next month's contest, except the winners.
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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2008, 08:45 PM » |
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I did go back and add some more information and pics to both post and I threw another piece into the mix too. This should be very fun. Myself I really like the doors that were posted. I used to be a custom home builder in San Diego back in the 80s. Those doors brought back some fond memories. |
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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2008, 11:08 PM » |
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I did go back and add some more information and pics to both post and I threw another piece into the mix too. That's the spirit -- just the kind of thing the contest is meant to do! Keep up the good work, Matthew |
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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2008, 12:13 AM » |
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Ideas for criteria for the contest: 1) design integrity 2) craftsmanship 3) joinery 4) aesthetics 5) comfort 6) stability 7) choice of materials  construction methods 9) attention to detail 10) accuracy of reproduction 11) design functionality 12) appeal 13) pictures and explanations 14) Festool usage Since this is an open contest with no restrictions some of these will only apply to certain projects, like stability and comfort for chairs and tables, etc. Maybe we should choose only criteria that can be applied to all projects until a time the contest focuses on one type of project. Which are the five best for this particular contest? Nickao |
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2008, 12:19 AM » |
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Ideas for criteria for the contest: 1) design integrity 2) craftsmanship 3) joinery 4) aesthetics 5) comfort 6) stability 7) choice of materials construction methods 9) attention to detail 10) accuracy of reproduction 11) design functionality 12) appeal 13) pictures and explanations 14) Festool usage Since this is an open contest with no restrictions some of these will only apply to certain projects, like stability and comfort for chairs and tables, etc. Maybe we should choose only criteria that can be applied to all projects until a time the contest focuses on one type of project. Which are the five best for this particular contest? Nickao Nick, IMHO, 2,9,11,13,14. okay 12 also Scott W |
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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2008, 10:51 AM » |
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I pretty much agree with Scott's choices for criteria but would emphasize construction methods (with details), photos/documentation/thorough explanation, and use of Festools.
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2008, 08:15 PM » |
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This thread needs a bump. Has anyone seen any new or existing entries or member projects they want to discuss?
Any more comments on the criteria we should use or judging specifically or in general.
I made this with my 11 year old son for a client on a tight budget. Only a final pic not made for the contest.
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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2008, 08:47 PM » |
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So should I even judge the out of North America entries or not. I have not heard anything else on the topic. I still think they should be judged and not able to receive the prize. If a non North American wins I will send them the Festool banner and the first N.A. to place gets the Festool prize.
I am trying to get out of the non woodworking threads, but no one seems interested in the contest at the moment. Is there that much dissent over the May 12th rules?
Is this a non issue? Comments?
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2008, 09:43 PM » |
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Hi Nickao. I should be done with another project this weekend. I'll post pics on Tuesday when I get back to work. I actually started this project 3 or 4 weeks ago so I didn't plan for a contest but it is a very unique use of Festool products. It's very tempting to post pics before it's done but I have to hold out.  |
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« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2008, 09:44 PM » |
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You are a machine Mr Wyko! Is it another Wyko or a turning or what? Now you have my interest peaked!
Posting a teaser definitely will not hurt your chances as far as I am concerned!
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« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2008, 10:15 PM » |
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I would but This computer doesn't have a card slot for my camera disc. Sorry  It's a turning with a story. I have a hard time watching tv when I have all that exotic wood in my shop calling my name. LOML watches those home renovation shows. It drives me nuts to see some of the things they do.  I just can't bear it so I go to my cave. |
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2008, 12:08 AM » |
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I am trying to get out of the non woodworking threads, but no one seems interested in the contest at the moment. Is there that much dissent over the May 12th rules?
Is this a non issue? Comments?
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Here is my problem with competitions. This is a pointless self indulgent rant so don't read it unless you want to read something slightly amusing. It all started with the Pine Wood Derby when I was a Cub Scout. I put a lot of work into my car and it really looked good. Everyone said it was the best but there was no prize for concourse. Oh well, maybe it would do good in the race. It did! My car came in third overall, but, they only had prizes for first and second place. Drat! Maybe next year. Next year we made and raced balsa wood rockets powered by rubber bands and a plastic propeller. I don't know if other troops raced rockets but it only made sense for our troop since nearly all our Dads worked at Marshall Space Flight Center. I didn't have the best looking rocket that year but it was fast and came in second, oh boy! Alas, there was a prize for first place only. Double drat! I decided to quit the Scouts and play football instead. Years later I was working on a BFA at Florida State (my Dad had been transferred to Kennedy Space Center) and the art department decided to have a juried show of student work and award prizes. At that time I was about 15 degrees farther left than Che and didn't believe that one individual's creative expression should be held above another's and wrote a persuasive screed opposing the ranking of artists. After the exhibit I was told by the faculty who organized the show that I would have one the top prize  So, I got issues with contests awright!? |
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2008, 02:27 AM » |
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I think the top prize is the knowledge we gain from each other. ;)I think that's worth being a member in its self. There's a lot of talent here. I'm not seeing the down side  Made good progress tonight on my latest piece. I have some delicate work on the inside and the slow part, Finish. Finish is really the beginning of the 2nd 1/2 of the job. |
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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2008, 08:54 PM » |
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Don't worry about a guaranteed and crowned winnah jes yet. See, father Bob just told me he is starting his contest project right now,er, Monday and rest assured we are going to have a brand mew MFK 700. Age and treachery my friends, at least that is what he thinks. I just asked him, "before or after the canoe?" And Michael, 15 degrees to the left of Che? Ha! I worked for Bella Abzug. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_Abzug Per |
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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2008, 09:11 PM » |
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Nick, yeah, I can be pretty demanding (want to talk about demanding, you should try working for me). I want to apologize to everyone, best mostly the members with contest entries. It was not intention to ruin this for anyone. I'll back off the pressure on the contest. Good luck to everyone.
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« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2008, 09:15 PM » |
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2008, 12:32 AM » |
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Bella and Che, what a Per! That was back when my hair was as long as Nick's. |
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« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2008, 02:45 AM » |
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I'm throwing another one in the hat It was my main reason for buying a Domino. I have to agree, The doors are top notch and great documentation. |
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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2008, 07:29 AM » |
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Everyone, Sometimes -- MYSELF INCLUDED -- we tend to get too serious. Let's just have fun with this. With the open nature of the contest, judges can simply pick a project to win this month. Next month, anyone not picked is automatically entered again, so there doesn't have to be any hard feelings. If you want to ease up on the judging, that's not a problem! Let's relax. Sometimes, what seems easier is actually more difficult. I ran random drawings for Domino machines back when this forum was established. Let me tell you, it was NOT FUN managing randomness! Really, the "judging" for this contest does not need to be any more complicated than the usual discussions we have here. It should just be a natural response. Stay with this idea. Again, it's just the first month. We're just getting the idea going. With that said, Nick, I fully understand if you can't judge. That's not a problem. You've done a lot already helping to get this thing going, and I appreciate that. I'll respect whatever decision you make here. Matthew |
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« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2008, 06:05 PM » |
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Everyone,
I've spent a lot of time going through all the projects in the "Member Projects" section, and there is one project I favor for the first contest. I won't yet say which one, because I want to make sure my fellow judges are ready to do that.
Also, keep in mind we're only halfway through the month, so there's still time for someone to swoop in and change everything. But part of the fun of this is to discuss projects, debate a little, and then choose someone.
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« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2008, 06:17 PM » |
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Thats right folks, the month is only 1/2 over.
And Father Bob (see above) just said,
First, no, very first thing tomorrow, Imma gonna get started and show those whippersnappers.
Like that old adage, it aint over till the old geezer (insert verb of choice).
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« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2008, 05:41 PM » |
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For those of you scoring at home: CheBOY is that ever deep I'm just trying to have a little fun This really is anybodys game. There's a lot of talent here. |
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« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2008, 06:29 AM » |
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Can the same winner win again with a different project?
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« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2008, 06:31 AM » |
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Because it would be sad if a previous winner could not compete for a Kapex if that is ever the prize.
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« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2008, 08:52 AM » |
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Can the same winner win again with a different project? Yes, you can keep entering. Of course, you can't win with the same project! Matthew |
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