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Older photos disappearing???
« on: April 17, 2015, 08:04 AM »
Is anyone else having trouble with older photos disappearing? I went back to some old threads and, when I click on a thumbnail, the image disappears instead of enlarging. This is what I see AFTER having clicked on the bottom thumbnail image:



In this example I have not clicked on the top thumbnail, everything looks normal. It is not happening consistently, other images later in this same thread have no problem.

Also, if I reload the thread the thumbnails appear normal, click one and the same thing happens. This is the specific post:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/has-anyone-built-gary-katz's-assembly-and-cutting-table/msg264923/#msg264923

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Re: Older photos disappearing???
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2015, 08:12 AM »
There was a server crash or some sort of catastrophic event some years ago in which a lot of older photos were corrupted or completely lost.

Had to be worse than that!!!  I look at photos of me then and now, and I don't look the same either...   [scared]

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2015, 08:12 AM »
There was a server crash or some sort of catastrophic event some years ago in which a lot of older photos were corrupted or completely lost.

I see the thread you talk about is newer than the crash I mentioned. Same happens here, the picture disappears. Seems like last weeks outage has done some damage also.

« Last Edit: April 17, 2015, 08:17 AM by Alex »

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2015, 08:16 AM »
On that thread that you listed any photo in a post before July 2013 disappears.

On a lot of other threads early photos don't even appear as thumbnails and I just assumed that that was normal.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2015, 01:36 PM »
My Avatar is GONE?

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Re: Older photos disappearing???
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2015, 01:55 PM »
My Avatar is GONE?

So was mine. Tried cache clearing but that didn't work for the avatar. I reloaded it and it is back now.

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Re: Older photos disappearing???
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2015, 02:02 PM »
@SRSemenza  - does this mean that that this is a known issue and all those pre-7/13 photos are history?

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2015, 02:07 PM »
@SRSemenza  - does this mean that that this is a known issue and all those pre-7/13 photos are history?

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I was specifically referring to the avatar.

As far as the photos ......... I do not know what is happening with some of them.  I just  looked at some pre 7/13 threads and the photos are still in them. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2015, 07:55 PM »
@SRSemenza  - does this mean that that this is a known issue and all those pre-7/13 photos are history?

RMW

It appears that only thumbnails are affected. If it was loaded as full size it is still there.

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2015, 04:30 PM »
Lots of posts missing photos now. Is something being done to "get them back" or will the threads forever be missing them?
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Re: Older photos disappearing???
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2015, 04:47 PM »
Shane is gone and the place is falling apart...  [unsure]
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2015, 05:29 PM »
Lots of posts missing photos now. Is something being done to "get them back" or will the threads forever be missing them?

Yeah, I actually see most thumbnails, but once you click, it gets replaced with nothingness.

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2015, 05:34 PM »
As I recall, this happened a few years ago also?


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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2015, 05:42 PM »
Shane is gone and the place is falling apart...  [unsure]

I get this feeling too. Seems they have not replaced him with a capable webmaster.  [huh]

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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2015, 06:12 PM »
I don't believe that Shane's replacement has been hired as of this time.

Would someone post a link or two to a thread here where the images have disappeared.  I really don't feel like searching.  We don't need 10 threads, just a couple.

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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2015, 07:19 PM »
Would someone post a link or two to a thread here where the images have disappeared.  I really don't feel like searching.  We don't need 10 threads, just a couple.

Thanks.

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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2015, 07:50 PM »
Thank you!

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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2015, 10:59 PM »
My avitar vanished, too!   [scared]
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2015, 11:08 PM »
My avitar vanished, too!   [scared]

A bunch of avatars have disappeared including mine. Reloading it seems to fix that particular problem.

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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2015, 10:32 AM »
A photo from an older post disappeared, yet the thumbnail remained.  Had to upload a replacement full-size photo. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2015, 12:53 PM »
Just tried to look at some photos, and they disappear and the jpg is still there, but when try to load that it says missing file.  Bill

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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2015, 02:17 PM »
For  long time, i could not figure how to add pics.  suddenly, either i figured it out or the gremlins quit playing with me.  For a couple of months, i was able to add pics.

All of a sudden, i had to try many times to get a pic to show.  Finally, even tho i was following directions for adding full size, i could not get any to show.  I just added my comments and closed out that page, and went to another discussion.  sooner or later, some body added a reply and i opened to see what had been said, and behold, there was/were my pics.  I just figured it was me.

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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2015, 05:32 PM »
I have always said full size pictures are better than those crappy thumbnail pictures and this is just another big +1 to full size images again! Yay!!
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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2015, 03:51 AM »
Problem with full size pictures is it takes ages to load them because people don't resize them and upload 2.5 MB pics while 150 Kb would suffice. Thumbnails keep loading times, server load and page clutter to a minimum.

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2015, 09:12 AM »
Problem with full size pictures is it takes ages to load them because people don't resize them and upload 2.5 MB pics while 150 Kb would suffice. Thumbnails keep loading times, server load and page clutter to a minimum.

I've always used the thumbnail option for that reason, to keep the load time down. Figured folks only have to look at the photos if they want to.

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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2015, 09:23 AM »
My avatar was gone too, hence, the new one.  I'm guessing the majority of folks, myself included, like to see full sized pics.  I find thumbnails to be annoying, I rarely click on them.

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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2015, 09:52 AM »
Regarding image sizes - I know that personally I prefer the larger sizes.  This forum has existed for long enough that the original software didn't support images very well and custom programming was done to allow for that.  A gallery section was developed to make it a bit easier to do a post with numerous images.  Flash forward a number of years and there are now a ton of sites that allow for image and video sharing, the gallery function is no longer supported by the software ( that might be part of the issue with older posts (that linked to the gallery)) and now there is an internal function for handling images.  Months ago Shane had to devise a custom work around to help alleviate the issue with images coming in sideways. 

It is absolutely true that the image processing portion of the forum does do some compression and reduce file sizes to some degree.  It is also true that if users would reduce the quality of their images and also minimize the file size it would help out with load times, etc., time has proven that it won't happen often.

It seems that there is an issue that has occurred with the forum software - being it maintenance or other.  At this current time there is an issue,  and there isn't a Shane (a FOG loving computer IT professional) sitting and continuously monitoring and nourishing the forum (often on his own personal time) available immediately to handle these types of issues.  So in this absence this issue might take a bit of time to address.

In the meantime if you don't like the fact that your avatar is missing - please reload it.  As far as posts from way back that are missing images, if you are the author and notice missing images in some of yours - it might be helpful to others to modify your posts and upload files at full size (better to have slower load times than no images) or else wait to see what happens when the situation gets addressed. I know that might be a hassle but we all contribute and receive here freely.

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Re: Older photos disappearing???
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2015, 12:42 AM »
Folks,

The server crashed a few weeks ago because it ran out of space. As a stop gap, we deleted some older posts and which apparently linked to some images that were deleted. The server crash also seems to have turned off notifications for a few FOG members as well.

We are aware of the issue and do have a plan to address it, however we are waiting on the qualified person to handle this issue.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Thank you for your patience.

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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2015, 05:10 AM »
On the issue of image sizes, I have said this before, and I'll say it again....

REDUCE THE SIZE OF YOUR IMAGES TO A MAXIMUM OF 1200 WIDTH!!

If you do that, they will show up full size on the forum, and with a small bandwidth footprint. (Under 500kb generally). Quality is NOT affected.

A lot of guys are taking their pictures at the highest resolution their cameras can manage. That's great if your planning on using the picture on a highway billboard, but it is totally RIDICULOUS if pictures are for use online.  If you MUST take your shots at high megapixels, then do your viewers a favor and reduce the size of the shot BEFORE posting. Use Preview on a MAC, or PAINT on Windows. 1200pixels MAX width.

As some have said, working through thumbnails is a pain....ESPECIALLY when the resulting shot is 4 or 5 MEGABYTES in size (some even more!). Slow loadiing and takes up bandwidth, especially for those in countries where bandwidth is limited and paid for incrementally. The same goes for those people on the road and paying for bandwidth on their iPads, iPhones, and laptops.

PLEASE!  We all want to see full size shots, and if you'll reduce the pixel sizes, they will come up fast, low bandwidth, and still at a quality level that is not reduced.

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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2015, 05:42 AM »
I have a 90 MBit connection. But when 4 MB pictures load and then 5 or 10 of them in a row, it still slows down.

When I resize pictures I always make them 1024 x 800 max, while the filesize is under 200 Kb at a quality (JPEG 80%) that is perfect for this forum.

When you upload such large pics you're doing nobody a service and I don't understand why it is so difficult to figure out for people how to resize them, because it is not. It is as easy tying your shoes.

I'm not surprised the forum ran out of space with all those 4MB pictures, that can go fast.

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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2015, 10:05 AM »
REDUCE THE SIZE OF YOUR IMAGES TO A MAXIMUM OF 1200 WIDTH!!


But then it's so tiny on my 4k screen. ;)

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2015, 10:47 AM »
REDUCE THE SIZE OF YOUR IMAGES TO A MAXIMUM OF 1200 WIDTH!!


But then it's so tiny on my 4k screen. ;)

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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2015, 11:54 AM »
My avatar is gone?
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2015, 12:45 PM »
My avatar is gone?

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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2015, 06:23 PM »
We are aware of the issue and do have a plan to address it, however we are waiting on the qualified person to handle this issue.

Any news Steve? Researching a project currently and the lack of photos on posts is becoming a real PITA...  [crying]

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Re: Older photos disappearing???
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2015, 10:01 AM »
I lost a lot of pictures from some early build posts here.  Same over on TalkFestool.  I've since opened a free Flickr account and upload all my pictures there.  You get a whopping 1 tb for free!  Then when I post a picture here, I just link to it on Flickr.  There's a bit of a learning curve, but it's a short one.  Well worth it.