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Offline charley1968

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Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« on: August 02, 2016, 03:55 PM »
Hi. My name is Andi and i'm an alcoholic..
I just wonder if there're other folx on the FOG who're likewise afflicted and not afraid to share?
Any feedback welcome!
Best regards: Andi
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Offline bobfog

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2016, 04:07 PM »
Not an alcoholic, but just wanted to comment that it takes real courage to admit publicly that you've got a weakness, my biggest weakness in life in not being able to admit I have weaknesses/failings.

If you're big enough to admit voluntarily to your weaknesses, you'll have enough strength of character to kick it and stay sober.

Good luck.

Offline charley1968

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2016, 04:25 PM »
Thanks,Bob , i appreciate it! The reason why i'm asking is that i'm spending quite some time on the FOG and so do many others. I recon there are many more alcoholics here, active or recovering, and being able to discuss it here may someday make a difference to someone..
Then there's the 12-step program i may wanna discuss with someone in the know, not like with a sponsor, more theoretical..
But thanks for your encouragement, Bob!
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Offline Kev

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2016, 05:21 PM »
@charley1968 im curious why you feel there are many alcoholics on the FOG [scratch chin]

What are the indicators that lead you to this thinking? From my perspective there's a number of people here that enjoy good quality wines, beers, spirits, etc - but I haven't seen rampant signs of alcohol addiction.




Offline charley1968

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2016, 05:32 PM »
Simple statistics. It's guestimated that 1 in ten has a substance abuse problem.
As i consider the FOG to be made up of normal people, it stands to reason that the percentage ought to be roughly the same.
One thing i don't want to do is proselytising. I don't want to discuss risky drinking habits , except the person in question wants to discuss it.
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Offline Kev

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2016, 05:59 PM »
Statistics can be interesting. Substance abuse statistics are absolutely shocking. Discussing these will turn political very quickly and won't be good on the FOG.

Alcoholism is terrible, but I truly see a breakdown in society, culture and family as primary factors that result in some people turning to methods that seem to "dull the pain".

Anyway, I feel anyone that has a concern in this area for themselves or people they know, professional help should be the path taken.
 

Offline bobfog

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2016, 06:22 PM »
I think there's a big difference between over use of alcohol/abuse and alcoholism.

As Kev points out many people use alcohol as a crutch to "dull the pain" or simply take the edge off and pass the time a little more quickly. I can think of points in my life when I was between relationships, work slow and in the long nights of winter months where I probably "abused" alcohol and drank a little more than was healthy. But there's a big difference between abusing something and depending on something.

I think the real danger is if the lack of other stimulus or source of pain goes on for too long, often people slip from the lesser evil of drinking too much to take the edge off, to having a physiological dependence on the drink as opposed to simply enjoying it a little too much and often creeps up on you.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2016, 06:26 PM by bobfog »

Offline Dogberryjr

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2016, 06:57 PM »
Pardon me if I'm missing something here, but what about the "Anonymous" part?

That said, good for you and I wish you a long sobriety.

Offline Kev

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2016, 07:34 PM »
Pardon me if I'm missing something here, but what about the "Anonymous" part?

That said, good for you and I wish you a long sobriety.

@Dogberryjr I did have a mouthful of coffee ... not any more! [big grin] [big grin]

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2016, 07:44 PM »
How about we take a moment to re read the original post, think about what it took to post that and then leave the other verbal baggage other than answering the question asked aside.

This not a thread suitable for kidding or analysis or judgement.

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Offline Kev

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2016, 08:05 PM »
How about we take a moment to re read the original post, think about what it took to post that and then leave the other verbal baggage other than answering the question asked aside.

This not a thread suitable for kidding or analysis or judgement.

Peter

@Peter Halle

I for one and I doubt anyone else is making light of the courage it could take to post that first message.

How people react and want to discuss this is exactly what I feel @charley1968 wants to open as healthy discussion. If that's not the case, how about we let him guide his thread.

Now let's be clear here ... my daughter is still in an abusive relationship, after 6 years, caused by the alcoholism and drug abuse of her partner that she doesn't have the courage to leave and still believes she can save from his addictions. He has put he in hospital THREE TIMES ... so I'm certainly not kidding about here. BUT we do need to keep our sense of humour and judgement hasn't been mentioned until your post.






Offline Peter Halle

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2016, 08:17 PM »
Kev,

Thank you for keeping me grounded. I only wish that the FOG community doesn't go off topic in this thread.

Peter
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Offline Dogberryjr

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2016, 08:27 PM »
How about we take a moment to re read the original post, think about what it took to post that and then leave the other verbal baggage other than answering the question asked aside.

This not a thread suitable for kidding or analysis or judgement.

Peter

Wait, is this directed (in part anyway) at me? 

Offline roblg3

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2016, 08:43 PM »
I have be a friend of Bill for some years now. Less as long on the FOG. This topic seems more like a private message thing to me.
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Offline charley1968

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2016, 02:38 AM »
Welcome, Rob!
Of course, the PM- function will be used exhaustingly,if need be..
@Peter Halle : thanks for admonishing,and appreciating. As Kev wrote: feel free to discuss the issue openly. If anyone has any questions, shoot. If anyone wants to know about meetings, ask..
I'm a recovering alcoholic and i've been sober for the past 10 weeks, so i'm certainly no expert on the program..but having asked newbie-questions myself and not always got a satisfying answer, i'll try toanswer any question and everyone who thinks he/she knows better than i do, is welcome and encouraged to chime in..
As for anonymity: i don't think it gets more anonymous than the internet!
« Last Edit: August 03, 2016, 02:44 AM by charley1968 »
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Offline JonSchuck

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2016, 03:13 PM »
Rule #1 - After one drink never play with anything more dangerous than a sander.

Rule # 2 - It is possible to ruin projects with a sander.

Offline roblg3

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2016, 04:05 PM »
Rule #1 - After one drink never play with anything more dangerous than a sander.

Rule # 2 - It is possible to ruin projects with a sander.

Haha. True, so true!
Rob Gardner
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Offline polarsea1

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2016, 03:32 AM »
Clean and sober since 1982. Best wishes.

Offline Tinker

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2016, 04:32 AM »
When I was very young (that had to be atleast 38 yrs ago) my brother and i were dropped off at my father's uncles farm to stay for two weeks as Mom and Dad sorted out their own problems.  Biggest problem was their oldest son who has always been 39.  We stayed on that farm for 5 years of the best and most formative years of my life.  My cousin had married a man who became a drinker. He was the biggest influence on my life.  One of the things he told me during the period in his life when he "...drink any one under the table..." was, "Tink, if you feel like you would enjoy having a beer, or any other beverage, relax and enjoy.  When you fel like you need a drink, leave it."  At the time, he was a hard drinker.  He was still sober enough to wish me well and still give good advice on so many things important to my life when i went into the military.  When I came home, he was gone.  I have heard many stories about his final years.  about his wandering from job to job because, not his lack of skills, but his drinking.  As far as I could comprehend, he could not live up to the advice he had given to me so many years ago. I think he knew his fate at the time.

Later in my own life, I had been doing very well in my trade, but increasingly bothered with severe back pain.  A bottle of Scotch in my tool bag was always handy for a short while. When pain got too much, the scotch deadened it somewhat, until my cousin's shadow appeard to tell me the scotch was no solution. I remembered the advice he had given me many years before. Since then, I have been very fortunate that I no longer drink at any time if I feel I need the drink. I do have the glass of wine with my dinner and often, I thank God and my cuz that I have the strength to only have that one.  There are others in this world who are not so fortunate.
Tinker

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Offline charley1968

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Anyone?
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2016, 05:05 AM »
For me, one drink is too much and a thousand not enough. I always marvel at my wife: she can have a glass of wine one evening, than the bottle stands in the fridge for a week, tyan she has another glass or two or the bottle gets emptied into the sink,if it doesn't taste good any longer.
I would (..and did..) finish the bottle in whiff and ask for seconds..
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