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Offline Untidy Shop

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Australian Wine
« on: May 17, 2016, 04:45 PM »
@Richard/RMW. @Bert Vanderveen

Guys the wine that you are referring to in -
http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/designing-and-building-a-true-australian-shed/msg459333/#msg459333

is generally sold down here in 2 and 4 litre casks and is referred to as Chatau Cardboard. When I was @Tinker 's age its sales were high, now the Australian Wine consumer has matured and casks are now usually found in a retailers small corner shelves. These wines are massed produced and rich in chemicals to speed production processes. Naturally there are exceptions; Brown Brothers for example.

Here is a link to the website of one of Australia's largest retail chains for wine, spirits, beer etc,. Explore, Enjoy.

https://www.danmurphys.com.au/red-wine

And some other links -


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/chateauchunder.htm

Stephen
« Last Edit: May 17, 2016, 04:58 PM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 04:56 PM »
@Untidy Shop - not picking on Ozzie wine, I was just elaborating on how sometimes something is so inexpensive I cannot get my mind around it. The wine in my example has a roo on the label and we selected our varietal based on label color, "get the purple one". That should tell you about my taste in vino.

I saw a better example at a restaurant supply, case of 24 pints of water for $1.99. 8 cents a bottle to procure/package/ship/sell something as bulky as H2O and make a profit along the way. I don't get how they can do it. Then I realized they charge $3 bucks for that same bottle of water at the airport.

Anyway, just more ramblings, hopefully no slight was taken.

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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2016, 05:02 PM »
@Richard/RMW

Richard I was not offended, far from it, just thinking you might want to find some better tasting Aussie Wine Options. I have since added a UTube Link you might enjoy.


As for bottled water - in our supermarkets, it is now more expensive per litre than milk. Our dairy farmers are on the streets and in country town halls protesting.

Cheers
« Last Edit: May 17, 2016, 05:20 PM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2016, 07:12 PM »
@Untidy Shop - not picking on Ozzie wine, I was just elaborating on how sometimes something is so inexpensive I cannot get my mind around it. The wine in my example has a roo on the label and we selected our varietal based on label color, "get the purple one". That should tell you about my taste in vino.

I saw a better example at a restaurant supply, case of 24 pints of water for $1.99. 8 cents a bottle to procure/package/ship/sell something as bulky as H2O and make a profit along the way. I don't get how they can do it. Then I realized they charge $3 bucks for that same bottle of water at the airport.

Anyway, just more ramblings, hopefully no slight was taken.

RMW

They probably ship it by boat...  [cool]

Offline bobfog

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2016, 07:17 PM »
@Untidy Shop - not picking on Ozzie wine, I was just elaborating on how sometimes something is so inexpensive I cannot get my mind around it. The wine in my example has a roo on the label and we selected our varietal based on label color, "get the purple one". That should tell you about my taste in vino.

I saw a better example at a restaurant supply, case of 24 pints of water for $1.99. 8 cents a bottle to procure/package/ship/sell something as bulky as H2O and make a profit along the way. I don't get how they can do it. Then I realized they charge $3 bucks for that same bottle of water at the airport.

Anyway, just more ramblings, hopefully no slight was taken.

RMW

They probably ship it by boat...  [cool]

They could probably power the boat off it too.

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2016, 07:48 PM »
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2016, 08:14 PM »
@Untidy Shop - not picking on Ozzie wine, I was just elaborating on how sometimes something is so inexpensive I cannot get my mind around it. The wine in my example has a roo on the label and we selected our varietal based on label color, "get the purple one". That should tell you about my taste in vino.

I saw a better example at a restaurant supply, case of 24 pints of water for $1.99. 8 cents a bottle to procure/package/ship/sell something as bulky as H2O and make a profit along the way. I don't get how they can do it. Then I realized they charge $3 bucks for that same bottle of water at the airport.

Anyway, just more ramblings, hopefully no slight was taken.

RMW

They probably ship it by boat...  [cool]

Not sure if I actually understand that but I was thinking of the wholesale to retail markup implied.  [scratch chin]

RMW
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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2016, 08:32 PM »
I think the boat comment was an irony that they were shipping the water in a boat.

Also I think the water is sold as a lost leader getting people in and profiting off or the rest of their business. 

Offline Kev

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2016, 09:22 PM »
I'm going to do a @Tinker

Very early 80's the company I worked for sent me down to Griffith to Miranda Wines (Griffith is in Southern NSW, Australia).

Miranda Wines were well know locally as a manufacturer of some of the cheapest "box wine" available .. it was "drink to get drunk wine", typically in a 4 litre bladder, served up in a cardboard box. Any Australian old enough may remember the Golden Gate cask wines.

The "factory" was essentially swimming pool sized stainless steel pits with crushing screws in the bottom, massive pumps and big storage tanks. 20+ tonne semi trailer dumpers dropped grapes in one end, massive deliveries of sugar came in through another dock and out came "wine". Not the traditional picture of a fair maiden stomping grapes with her bare feet, but in the end is was probably more hygienic [smile]

The business was family owned and the were a really lovely family. They made their own private family wines and these were at the extreme other end of the spectrum to the wines they mass produced. Just as I was packing up to leave they asked for my car keys and said they'd toss a couple of cases of wine in the boot of the car ... I wish I had a photo of the car. You couldn't see daylight through it and the back of the car was literally on the ground. The drive back to Sydney was quite hazardous as I really didn't have much steering [eek]

I made it home and unloaded the car - took ages as it wasn't just cases .. they'd stuffed bottles where cases wouldn't fit and half bottles where full bottles would fit (some really, really nice little half bottles of sauternes in fact). When I finally got back to the car rental depot I went to get the papers out of the glove box and .. more wine [embarassed]. No, there was nothing under the bonnet - but curiosity did make me check!

I think wine was more honest in those days, now wine is sold more to an image than a taste.

A big change to the Australian wine export industry was by Casella. Some of you may be familiar with Blue Ocean Strategy .. it's essentially a concept of not competing with others and creating you own new market as your business strategy. In the US you're more than likely familiar with Yellow Tail Wines.

Here's a brief bit of the story ...

http://www.blueoceanstrategyaustralia.com.au/featured-case-studies/casella-wines-2/

On a bit if a tangent, Blue Ocean Strategy (Harvard Business School) is a little dated, but the thinking is solid and the book of the same name is a good read.

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Offline Holmz

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2016, 11:34 PM »
I think the boat comment was an irony that they were shipping the water in a boat.

Also I think the water is sold as a lost leader getting people in and profiting off or the rest of their business.

Bingo... It was the best I could do sans spirits.
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2016, 08:01 AM »
I think the boat comment was an irony that they were shipping the water in a boat.

Also I think the water is sold as a lost leader getting people in and profiting off or the rest of their business.

Bingo... It was the best I could do sans spirits.


Ahhh. Thanks for clarifying.

Back to AU vino, being a fan of rich reds (malbec/red zin) and not a connoisseur, any recommendations for good vintages available in the US for reasonable prices?

Thanks,

RMW
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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2016, 09:09 AM »
@Richard/RMW

Google provided this US distributor
http://www.solawines.com/CTGY/NAAUS.html
And they seem to have some good choices.

My favourite Aussie Wineries include -
http://www.clydepark.com.au
http://www.scotchmans.com.au
http://www.solawines.com/CTGY/NAAUS.html
http://www.campbellswines.com.au
http://www.bluepyrenees.com.au
http://www.brownbrothers.com.au

As some of these may not be large enough to export, look for the range provided by some of the big companies such as -
https://www.penfolds.com
https://www.wolfblass.com/en-au
https://www.yalumba.com

If you like sparkling wine [we can not call it Champagne here since the French took us to Court and won], look for Tasmanian product such as -
https://www.jansz.com.au
http://www.bayoffireswines.com.au

You will note that to enter some sites you need to enter your date of birth due to legislation.

Cheers.
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Australian Wine
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2016, 10:37 PM »
I think the boat comment was an irony that they were shipping the water in a boat.

Also I think the water is sold as a lost leader getting people in and profiting off or the rest of their business.

Bingo... It was the best I could do sans spirits.


Ahhh. Thanks for clarifying.

Back to AU vino, being a fan of rich reds (malbec/red zin) and not a connoisseur, any recommendations for good vintages available in the US for reasonable prices?

Thanks,

RMW

Basically NO.
Argentine malbecs or South African.
There is exactly 1 decent (very good) Aussie Zin (Cape Mentele in WA).
The is one descent euro style pino (Picardy in Pemberton WA).

Shiraz, Cab Savs are good in South Australia and WA.
Tim Adam Fergus (Grenache) is noteworthy and for the price very noteworthy.