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Offline NL-mikkla

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2018, 08:57 AM »
The Cuisinart CBM-18 looks like an updated version of mine.
And because mine is over 10 years old I can imagine it's updated by now.
Price is somewhat similair to what I paid for it.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2018, 09:00 AM »
An updated model would make sense.  I'll have to do some comparison research to see if a more expensive grinder is really worth it.  I wonder if noise is also a consideration or maybe not really?
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2018, 09:02 AM »
Good point! That certainly is a downside of mine, it makes a fair bit of noise.
here's a compairison vidoe, I have the one on the right.


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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2018, 09:47 AM »
Thanks for sharing that link.  The CBM-18 looks pretty fancy with the display screen.

I just did a quick google search on Cuisinart Grinders and the main complaint seems to be that the grind isn't super consistent and you end up with a lot of fine grounds that will clog the filter.

It seems like the Baratza Virtuoso might be the way to go even though it's pretty pricey.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #64 on: July 23, 2018, 06:53 PM »
I have a Baratza Precsio, which is similar to the Virtuoso with a slightly fancier adjustment mechanism, it has worked well for me, and makes a nicely consistent grind. I grind for a French press each day, and most days also brew a small pot of either drip or expresso, so I get a lot of use of the grinder's adjustment range.

Baratza offers good product support on their website, including parts. They also sell refurbished grinders for a good price.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2018, 07:42 PM »
haha, glad I saw your post, was getting swayed

been thinking about getting this.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JE36GLQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2EPN08Z0FPLG4&psc=1

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Late to the party, but: Get a french press.

Inexpensive (both in initial expense and per use), relieable, makes good tasting coffee and works as long as you have access to hot water (whatever source, might be a campfire). Available in different sizes, down to one cup per press in case you're not a heavy coffee addict.

Given no gravity assisted encounter with the floor (for the models made out of glass) it'll likely outlast any electric thingy.
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Offline Dane

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2018, 08:27 PM »
French Press is certainly a cheaper option- but not necessarily any less trouble on the brewing front.  Grind beans, boil water, pour water, wait 4 mins, press, pour into another vessel.  It's the cleanup that really gets me with the French Press- for whatever reason I find it maddening trying to get all those grounds out of the mesh and the canister without resorting to washing them down the sink and ruining my plumbing...

Also- French Press gives you one of the most acidic brews of any of the options, you press all those oils out into the coffee, lots of folks cant take it on the stomach.  Immersion brewing is a good option- I had a Cafe Solo for years and that made some pretty awesome coffee.  Till it cracked.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2018, 10:13 PM »
I have the coffee grinder from the above video on the right (no LCD).  Its now in a box.  It never worked very well, made a mess, and made lots of fines that just stuck in the container (until the moment some of them did not).  Over time it kept jamming (not feeding beans thru).  Got to where I was shaking the thing.  Finally gave up.   When I boxed it, I took it apart and cleaned it really well. I think the issue was fines where clogging the whole thing up.  It needed a cardiologist.

I now have a Hairo Burr grinder.  Get a quick arm exercise in with it. Just have to grinder faster than the microwave heating up water.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2018, 07:54 AM »
I have a Baratza Precsio, which is similar to the Virtuoso with a slightly fancier adjustment mechanism, it has worked well for me, and makes a nicely consistent grind. I grind for a French press each day, and most days also brew a small pot of either drip or expresso, so I get a lot of use of the grinder's adjustment range.

Baratza offers good product support on their website, including parts. They also sell refurbished grinders for a good price.

Maybe the Baratza Encore is actually the way to go - it's still $44.96 cheaper than the Virtuoso, even with the 20% discount.  I think the main difference between the Encore and the Virtuoso is the Virtuoso has a timer, which I don't know that I really need.

Also- French Press gives you one of the most acidic brews of any of the options, you press all those oils out into the coffee, lots of folks cant take it on the stomach.

Maybe that's the primary reason why I didn't like the French Press coffee.

I have the coffee grinder from the above video on the right (no LCD).  Its now in a box.  It never worked very well, made a mess, and made lots of fines that just stuck in the container (until the moment some of them did not).  Over time it kept jamming (not feeding beans thru).  Got to where I was shaking the thing.  Finally gave up.   When I boxed it, I took it apart and cleaned it really well. I think the issue was fines where clogging the whole thing up.  It needed a cardiologist.

I now have a Hairo Burr grinder.  Get a quick arm exercise in with it. Just have to grinder faster than the microwave heating up water.

That's good to know about the Cuisinart Grinder.  Does a hand grinder work as well as an electric grinder?  I was looking at pepper mills yesterday and mistakenly started looking at this "grinder" thinking it was a pepper grinder: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00004Y69L?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=5707046144712701809&pf_rd_r=543c85a4-33cc-45a3-ac65-4567dd9290f6&pd_rd_wg=Keyi3&pf_rd_s=desktop-huc-carousels&pf_rd_t=40701&pd_rd_i=B00004SPD9&pd_rd_w=jV5TC&pf_rd_i=desktop-huc-carousels&pd_rd_r=543c85a4-33cc-45a3-ac65-4567dd9290f6&ref_=pd_luc_rh_crh_rh_sbs_02_01_t_img_lh&th=1.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2018, 10:05 AM »
The timer helps some, but is not essential, grinding for a 8 - 10 cup pot is probably 45 seconds +or-, for some that may be a long time to keep your thumb pressed on the button. It takes a bit of trial and error to flip the timer knob to just the right place to get the desired volume of ground beans. I weigh the grind, but that's probably much too anal for most folks.

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« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2018, 10:10 AM »
I actually have a kitchen scale so I was planning on weighing the beans.  That's one of the reasons why I was thinking the timer wouldn't be very useful for me.  Oh you actually need to hold the button down?  I was thinking it was like an on/off button - in that case, maybe the timer would be better than holding the button.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2018, 10:15 AM »
haha, glad I saw your post, was getting swayed

been thinking about getting this.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JE36GLQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2EPN08Z0FPLG4&psc=1

any other suggestions?
I have one from bodum. Upsides: cheaper than the full metal knockoff (new 1L one is <20US$ after a quick look on amazon.com - last year when I had to replace my old one after ~15 years of use as it performed a gravity assisted suicide, I got a new one for 10€ from a sale in a local shop), dosn't rust (so you can dishwash it without problems) and all parts are available as spares (though when sourcing these through amazon it's usually cheaper to get a new complete one).

It's the cleanup that really gets me with the French Press- for whatever reason I find it maddening trying to get all those grounds out of the mesh and the canister without resorting to washing them down the sink and ruining my plumbing...
I have washed mine down the kitchen sink drain for >10 years on a daily basis (takes <30 seconds), no problems at all. Every second week or so I throw it (disassembled) into the dishwasher to get rid of what simply rinsing it dosn't get rid off.

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Also- French Press gives you one of the most acidic brews of any of the options, you press all those oils out into the coffee, lots of folks cant take it on the stomach.
You can't press out oils from the grounds with a french press (unless you massively overfilled it with grounds in the first place and then attach it to a hydraulic press - which will likely kill the vessel - else you couldn't get the pressure you need to 'press out' stuff).

It's more of a forced filtering, the sieve impacts quickly (increasing flow resistance) and retains even the small parts (some might slip through at the beginning though, especially when you don't take it slow).

Offline Dane

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2018, 11:35 PM »
FWIW, I think the timer on the grinder is key.  I can get the rest of the operation almost totally done while the beans are grinding.  Rinsing out the machine, filling the reservoir etc.  maybe my morning are more hectic than most with three kids to get fed, packed and out the door, but that 45 seconds seems to be an eternity if I’m standing there holding a button.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2018, 08:01 AM »
My mornings aren't really hectic, but I am lazy so being able to set the timer and walk away sounds better.
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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2018, 08:23 AM »
I used to buy ground coffee (mind you: freshly ground in the shop), but a couple of years ago Esken (who owns that shop) suggested I try the Nemox Lux grinder. And it has served me well. It costs around € 140 over here.

My method is quite simple: after I have set up for the correct coarseness of the grind (mostly around the same mark, but it depends on the batch of beans), I weigh the correct amount of beans, put that in the empty grinder, start the grind and count till all beans have been processed. After that I never weigh, but just count out (twenty seconds…).

I always make two cups of espresso at the same time, because I prefer flat whites… " )

There are a lot of grinders that seem to be just variations on the basic design of the Nemox Lux. I wonder whether they all use the same grinding wheels. The price differences appear to be unjustified by added features (is a added timer worth a hundred bucks?), but I have not done extensive research, so, who knows?
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Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #75 on: July 26, 2018, 03:02 PM »
Thanks again everyone for the coffee grinder recommendations.

I picked up the Baratza Virtuoso Grinder from the Williams-Sonoma Outlet today.  It came out to $195 even with tax.  I'm just about out of the LavAzza coffee so I ordered a half bag of the Blue Bottle Beta Blend whole beans.  I also ordered a bag of Dark Sumatra from Coffee Bean Direct.   That is the low acid coffee that my former coworker drinks.  Neither of those beans are going to arrive before next week so I plan on stopping by a Starbucks to pickup a bag of the Blonde Roast.

Now the question is - should I have them grind it or should I grind the Starbucks at home?  Maybe that's a no brainer since I just bought a grinder but my only concern is, do I need to "clean" out the grinder when switching between beans?  I don't want to cross contaminate the grinder with 3 different beans.  Maybe it's not that serious...
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #76 on: July 26, 2018, 03:37 PM »
Congrats on the new grinder -  once you develop a system it is a pleasure in the morning.

My system takes only a few minutes from bean to brewed coffee with the Moccamaster:

1. Pour filtered water into the machine (I use a Brita pitcher that I set up the night before)
2. Weigh out the beans (my preference is 10 g per 6 oz water)
3. Grind the beans while you set up the filter (I pre-wet the filter) - my grinder (Capresso) takes about 1.5 minutes for 100 g beans
4. The Moccamaster will have your brewed coffee very quickly (as you already know)

We have tried about a dozen different beans so far and I would suggest trying Peets Major Dickason Blend - it has become a real favorite of ours. Others we enjoy are Lavazza Grand Filtro and Dunkin Donuts House Blend. For the occasional decaf the try Don Pablo (Amazon).

As for cleaning your grinder, I don't bother except about once a week - I take it down to the shop and use my CT26 and a small dedicated bristle brush - works great. As an added benefit the shop smells like fresh coffee every time you use the vac  [big grin]

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #77 on: July 26, 2018, 04:11 PM »
Thanks!

I've just been using the filtered water from our LG Fridge.  Your ratio is very close to the ratio that @Dane recommended.  I guess most ratios are generally going to be pretty close to the so called SCAA "Golden Ratio."

I've heard/seen about pre-wetting the filter, but I didn't really want to get into too many extra steps - same with folding the #4 cone filter at the seam?  I just opened the filter up and pushed it down into the basket.

I had seen Peet's Major Dickason Blend when I was searching for different coffees at Peet's.  I'll have to check that out.

Aren't there also some oils from the beans that can collect on the burrs that need to be cleaned out?  I think I had heard about running some kind of cleaner through the grinder to absorb those oils?

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #78 on: July 26, 2018, 10:35 PM »
Good choice on the grinder, I like mine quite a lot.

I rarely use anything but French Roast, but on the odd occasions where I may have something else, I don't clean the grinder between types (aside from possibly emptying it from the previous roast).
However, the Baratza grinders are very easy to empty if you need to, and brushing any remaining dust off the burrs is easy too. If you want to purge it, just grind a tablespoon or so of the new beans and discard, you'll be good to go.


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« Reply #79 on: July 26, 2018, 11:08 PM »
Hm.  As geeky as I can be about coffee- I’ve never cleaned my grinder.  I figure the next round of beans basically pushes the old grounds through and it’s not enough to impact the flavor.  Be worth experimenting, I suppose.  Honestly, I’d just have Starbucks grind the blonde.  Throw it in the freezer for the week.  Probably won’t see a perceptible difference.

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« Reply #80 on: July 27, 2018, 08:26 AM »
Hm.  As geeky as I can be about coffee- I’ve never cleaned my grinder.  I figure the next round of beans basically pushes the old grounds through and it’s not enough to impact the flavor.  Be worth experimenting, I suppose.  Honestly, I’d just have Starbucks grind the blonde.  Throw it in the freezer for the week.  Probably won’t see a perceptible difference.

That’s funny  [big grin]

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« Reply #81 on: July 27, 2018, 08:56 AM »
Good choice on the grinder, I like mine quite a lot.

I rarely use anything but French Roast, but on the odd occasions where I may have something else, I don't clean the grinder between types (aside from possibly emptying it from the previous roast).
However, the Baratza grinders are very easy to empty if you need to, and brushing any remaining dust off the burrs is easy too. If you want to purge it, just grind a tablespoon or so of the new beans and discard, you'll be good to go.

Cool! That's good to know.  Did you wash grinder parts before you ground your first beans?

Hm.  As geeky as I can be about coffee- I’ve never cleaned my grinder.  I figure the next round of beans basically pushes the old grounds through and it’s not enough to impact the flavor.  Be worth experimenting, I suppose.  Honestly, I’d just have Starbucks grind the blonde.  Throw it in the freezer for the week.  Probably won’t see a perceptible difference.

Sounds like it would be a good test to compare.  I'll just have it ground at Starbucks then and see how I like that.

That’s funny  [big grin]

LOL!
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #82 on: July 28, 2018, 10:55 AM »
If you are concerned about *nasty* things happening with the partially ground beans left behind, you could just weigh out the amount needed for every serving, grind that till the grinder is empty of beans and go to sleep at night with a sound mind.
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« Reply #83 on: July 28, 2018, 05:17 PM »
Won't there still be some residual grounds left even if I grind exactly 60 grams of whole beans or am I worrying about a minuscule amount of grinds?

My Dark Sumatra Beans arrived today instead of the estimated delivery date of Monday.  I'm going to grind those beans fresh tomorrow morning.

Last night I saw an ad on Facebook for Henry's House of Coffee.  Anyone familiar with their Bella Finca?  It sounds really yummy.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #84 on: July 28, 2018, 06:19 PM »
I'm pretty picky- and i have never noticed any negative repercussions from not cleaning my grinder.  I grind exactly the amount that I am using every morning and, as I mentioned, I am pretty sure the next morning's beans clear out any minuscule residual dust.  That said, I do use roughly the same roast every day, so maybe if you were putting a really oily roast through there, it might affect the flavor of the next grinding- but I seriously doubt it.

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« Reply #85 on: July 28, 2018, 06:31 PM »
I've definitely gone from one end of the spectrum to the other.  I didn't care at all before and now I've become obsessed with the smallest details that probably don't even really matter.

Is there a general rule how to tell what is an oily roast?  Is that usually a lighter roast?

It's still kinda counter intuitive to me that the dark roasts actually have less caffeine than the lighter roasts.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #86 on: July 28, 2018, 10:12 PM »

It's still kinda counter intuitive to me that the dark roasts actually have less caffeine than the lighter roasts.

Why,  what would make you think one way or the other, or that there is any spectrum.

It would be like thinking folks dressed in Black are always the bad guys and folks dressed in White are always the good guys.   There is just no reason to think one way or the other looking at them.

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« Reply #87 on: July 28, 2018, 10:26 PM »
It's not just the color of the roast.  It's also the descriptors that are associated with Dark Roasts: full bodied, bold, deep, rich, etc.  Those terms make it sound (at least to me) like Dark Roast is going to be stronger, ergo more caffeine.

Is it just a myth that darker roasts have less caffeine than lighter roasts? 
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« Reply #88 on: July 28, 2018, 10:43 PM »
like Dark Roast is going to be stronger, ergo more caffeine.

Is it just a myth that darker roasts have less caffeine than lighter roasts?

The roasting process slowly destroys the caffeine in the raw bean, so more roast (darker bean) less caffeine.

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« Reply #89 on: July 28, 2018, 11:07 PM »
That was also my understanding, which is why I said it's counter intuitive that the darker roasts actually have less caffeine.

Normally I'd think strong flavor = more caffeine.
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