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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #90 on: July 29, 2018, 11:02 AM »
The longer roasting times that darker roasts get brings oils to the surface of the bean. That's what gives dark roasted beans a shiny surface sheen. That oil does accumulate on the burrs and in the hopper, but I've not found it to be a particular problem, I wash the hopper occasionally, and clean the burrs if the beans are not feeding well through the grinder.
I believe the manual does recommend washing the removable burr before the first use to get rid of any possible manufacturing residue, and the hopper as well.
I weigh the ground beans. When I first got the grinder I weighed what I put into the hopper so that I had an idea of where to set the timer. But after I figured out that, I fill the hopper, and for grinding, set the timer to the approximate position, then weigh the bin with the ground beans, and fine tune with the pulse button. For the times I grind too much, I put the excess into a small glass jar, and dump that into the bin the next time I brew (which is either "tomorrow" or in a few hours).

As for caffeine, my understand is as stated, that the extended roasting destroys some of the caffeine, so darker roasts have less. But I've never seen any analysis that proves it one way or the other.


Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #91 on: July 29, 2018, 11:44 AM »
Amount of cafeïne — As far as I know the time that the ground coffee steeps determines the cafeïne-content, eg a French press cup of coffee contains more than an espresso (made with the same beans).

I shudder when imagining what the stuff the cowboys drank in the John Ford movies of the forties and fifties contained; must have been almost pure cafeïne after brewing for a night on the camp fire. : )
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #92 on: July 29, 2018, 11:52 AM »
That was also my understanding, which is why I said it's counter intuitive that the darker roasts actually have less caffeine.

Normally I'd think strong flavor = more caffeine.

Caffeine is flavor-less..  So I got that wrong, apparently it is bitter.  But in most stuff it is in such small amounts few people can notice it.  I had just always thought of it as flavorless simply because caffeinated water taste the same as water, thus a lot of folks don't notice some of their favorite bottled water has caffeine in it.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #93 on: July 29, 2018, 12:22 PM »
I ground 60 grams of the Dark Sumatra coffee on setting 19 this morning.  I was sadly underwhelmed by the aromas when I opened the bag of beans.  The grinder was actually pretty quiet and pretty quick to grind.

I used the 60 grams of whole beans to 32 oz of water.  I tried the coffee straight black and it was still a little too bitter/acidic for me.  My wife also tried and she said it was less acidic, but more bitter.  I have trouble differentiating between acidic and bitter.  They seem to be the same to me.

I had to add half and half, but only 2 tablespoons instead of my usual 3.  I'm not too impressed with these beans.  Luckily the Blue Bottle Blend is still coming, I'm still going to try the blonde roast from Starbucks, and I want to try Henry's House of Coffee.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #94 on: July 29, 2018, 03:00 PM »
Not sure if you've made a decision yet but the Bunn MyCafe is a happy medium between a keurig and a pot coffee maker... if you're only making coffee for one. If it's for two, forget about it.

Basically it's like a keurig (and you can use k-cups) but you can also put tea leaves or coffee grinds in the filter pod. So when I wake up, I grind my beans, load them in the cup, and walk away. clean them out when you're done and it's ready for the next coffee. There's also a thing to just put out hot water, or to put teabags into.

https://www.amazon.com/BUNN-MCU-Single-Multi-Use-Coffee/dp/B009PLQ5H2

The only downfall is that there's no water reservoir, so you have to fill it for every use. So if you regularly make coffee for 2+ people, forget it. If you're the solo coffee drinking and you drink 1-2 coffees/day, it might be perfect for you. I still own (and prefer) pourover but this thing is ready to go, and gets reasonably close to pourover taste without being as bad as regular drip. YMMV, of course...

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« Reply #95 on: July 29, 2018, 03:22 PM »
I ground 60 grams of the Dark Sumatra coffee on setting 19 this morning.  I was sadly underwhelmed by the aromas when I opened the bag of beans.  The grinder was actually pretty quiet and pretty quick to grind.

I used the 60 grams of whole beans to 32 oz of water.  I tried the coffee straight black and it was still a little too bitter/acidic for me.  My wife also tried and she said it was less acidic, but more bitter.  I have trouble differentiating between acidic and bitter.  They seem to be the same to me.

I had to add half and half, but only 2 tablespoons instead of my usual 3.  I'm not too impressed with these beans.  Luckily the Blue Bottle Blend is still coming, I'm still going to try the blonde roast from Starbucks, and I want to try Henry's House of Coffee.

Try a little bit courser grind and a little less coffee.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #96 on: July 29, 2018, 03:48 PM »
Not sure if you've made a decision yet but the Bunn MyCafe is a happy medium between a keurig and a pot coffee maker... if you're only making coffee for one. If it's for two, forget about it.

Basically it's like a keurig (and you can use k-cups) but you can also put tea leaves or coffee grinds in the filter pod. So when I wake up, I grind my beans, load them in the cup, and walk away. clean them out when you're done and it's ready for the next coffee. There's also a thing to just put out hot water, or to put teabags into.

https://www.amazon.com/BUNN-MCU-Single-Multi-Use-Coffee/dp/B009PLQ5H2

The only downfall is that there's no water reservoir, so you have to fill it for every use. So if you regularly make coffee for 2+ people, forget it. If you're the solo coffee drinking and you drink 1-2 coffees/day, it might be perfect for you. I still own (and prefer) pourover but this thing is ready to go, and gets reasonably close to pourover taste without being as bad as regular drip. YMMV, of course...

Thanks for that suggestion.  I already bought the Moccamaster (but it could still be returned, though I hate returning stuff).  On the weekends I might need to brew enough coffee for 2 people.

I ground 60 grams of the Dark Sumatra coffee on setting 19 this morning.  I was sadly underwhelmed by the aromas when I opened the bag of beans.  The grinder was actually pretty quiet and pretty quick to grind.

I used the 60 grams of whole beans to 32 oz of water.  I tried the coffee straight black and it was still a little too bitter/acidic for me.  My wife also tried and she said it was less acidic, but more bitter.  I have trouble differentiating between acidic and bitter.  They seem to be the same to me.

I had to add half and half, but only 2 tablespoons instead of my usual 3.  I'm not too impressed with these beans.  Luckily the Blue Bottle Blend is still coming, I'm still going to try the blonde roast from Starbucks, and I want to try Henry's House of Coffee.

Try a little bit courser grind and a little less coffee.

Maybe like 55 grams of coffee and 20 or 21 on the grind setting?
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #97 on: July 29, 2018, 05:05 PM »
I wouldn’t lose hope.  I can’t stand dark roast, in fact,when my mom visits,
who insists on a French Roast, I have her use a completely different coffee maker as the burnt taste lingers - the Beta might be your thing.  Also- different roasts require different fibers, so 19 might not be right.
 

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #98 on: July 29, 2018, 05:32 PM »
I haven't lost hope yet ;).  I'm hoping I like the Blue Bottle Beta.

I also had high hopes for the Bella Finca from Henry's House of Coffee, but I believe that's also a dark roast so I likely won't like it.

I selected the 19 grind setting because that's what you said you were using for the Blue Bottle Beta. The grinder instructions suggest 20. Is there that much of a difference between 19 and 20?  I'd think the difference would be negligible since they're only 1 tick apart.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2018, 05:58 PM »
I've been using a bodum burr grinder for about five years now.  Usually with my aeropress and  I'm partial to Counter Culture beans.  There is a local roaster (Commonplace Coffee) which is also very good.   




Offline Koamolly

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #100 on: July 29, 2018, 06:32 PM »
I didn’t catch this before your recent post.  Are you trying to brew just 1-2 cups of coffee with your Moccamaster?  Not a full pot?  I think it might take more experimenting with grind size and amount for these smaller amounts.  If so, if you haven’t brewed a full pot yet, try 2/3 cup of beans, run through the grinder to get a size about the size of Kosher rock salt or a bit smaller.  Close the drip container and wait until it’s about 3/4 full, stir the grinds, open it, walk away and let it finish brewing.  If you’re only doing one cup at a time the AreoPress is hard to beat for $25.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #101 on: July 29, 2018, 08:40 PM »
I've been using a bodum burr grinder for about five years now.  Usually with my aeropress and  I'm partial to Counter Culture beans.  There is a local roaster (Commonplace Coffee) which is also very good.

Thanks for that data point.  I will check into Counter Culture Beans.

I didn’t catch this before your recent post.  Are you trying to brew just 1-2 cups of coffee with your Moccamaster?  Not a full pot?  I think it might take more experimenting with grind size and amount for these smaller amounts.  If so, if you haven’t brewed a full pot yet, try 2/3 cup of beans, run through the grinder to get a size about the size of Kosher rock salt or a bit smaller.  Close the drip container and wait until it’s about 3/4 full, stir the grinds, open it, walk away and let it finish brewing.  If you’re only doing one cup at a time the AreoPress is hard to beat for $25.

In the most recent scenario I was trying to brew about 4 cups of coffee.  It was more than a single cup, but far from a full pot.  I had noticed that the ratios seemed to be off when I was comparing 2 cups to 4+ cups (full pot), but I assumed that was still the correct ratio.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #102 on: July 29, 2018, 08:42 PM »
I haven't lost hope yet ;).  I'm hoping I like the Blue Bottle Beta.

I also had high hopes for the Bella Finca from Henry's House of Coffee, but I believe that's also a dark roast so I likely won't like it.

I selected the 19 grind setting because that's what you said you were using for the Blue Bottle Beta. The grinder instructions suggest 20. Is there that much of a difference between 19 and 20?  I'd think the difference would be negligible since they're only 1 tick apart.

You would be amazed! When I first started doing pourover I played with my grind size... three different grinds made 3 different cups of coffee. It was the difference between watery, perfect, and bitter. Remember that your grind size determines how long the water takes to extract from the beans - too large and there's no flavour, too small and you over-extract.

I haven't kept up with the entire thread but if your Moccamaster uses a paper filter, you should always rinse it under hot / boiling water before using it to make coffee. My pourover gets accolades from all my friends (even the espresso snobs), and most are in disbelief that it's paper-filtered coffee... it's much cleaner-tasting than anything through a metal filter, which can let too much of the oils through into your cup. I'm not sure how the moccamaster works, exactly, but i zeroed in on my grind size by targeting a 1:30 - 2:00 extraction time for a 12oz cup. From there you can tweak the ratio of beans:water you use - general rule is 1g:20g water but I like 1g:16g - so a 25g grinding of beans gets 400g water. Your manual may trump that though - the aeropress uses double that amount of grinds for a cup which is part of the reason I never got one... but since the moccamaster is pourover-like I'd say that should be a good place to start.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #103 on: July 29, 2018, 08:59 PM »
Thank you for your considerate response.

From the sound of that - it sounds like a 19 to a 20 grind size could make a difference - I thought the 1 point difference wouldn't matter.

I am using a paper filter in my Moccamaster, but I don't pre-soak or rinse the filter.  I felt like that was a lot of extra effort for not a lot of return.  I did make sure to buy the white filters and not the brown paper filters.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #104 on: July 29, 2018, 10:15 PM »
I have found that most coffee scoops that come with pots are measuring relatively the same amount (haven't bothered to see what that amount is).

The scoop that came with the Moccamaster is for "2 cups". We have found that for most coffee and our tastes when making a small pot we use 2 scoops (4 cups) of ground coffee and fill with filtered cold water to 7 cups (between the 6 and 8 lines on the machine).

This method makes about 3 1/2 actual cups of coffee to a strength that we like using most medium roast coffee (drinking it black). It also works well for darker roast coffee if you use some type of creamer and/or sweetener.

For a full pot we use 4 scoops, and fill the machine just shy of overflowing.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #105 on: July 30, 2018, 02:32 AM »
One thing to keep in mind: the finer you grind the coffee the more surface area is created. Finer grounds and a finer filter is needed. Surface area, temperature and time determine how much of the contents you'll extract.

In case you want to taste something interesting: take a french press, fill with normal amount of ground coffee and cold water, put on a lid and store in the fridge for 10h, then press. Cold extraction, some like it, some don't.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #106 on: July 30, 2018, 07:36 AM »
Amazing that that thread is still going strong (pun intended)

While we are at it, any one have experience with the Breville Barista Express

I'm looking for that type of coffee brewer and I'm wondering if the grinder in that machine is of the same quality of that grinder since both are from the same brand.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #107 on: July 30, 2018, 09:06 AM »
I have found that most coffee scoops that come with pots are measuring relatively the same amount (haven't bothered to see what that amount is).

The scoop that came with the Moccamaster is for "2 cups". We have found that for most coffee and our tastes when making a small pot we use 2 scoops (4 cups) of ground coffee and fill with filtered cold water to 7 cups (between the 6 and 8 lines on the machine).

This method makes about 3 1/2 actual cups of coffee to a strength that we like using most medium roast coffee (drinking it black). It also works well for darker roast coffee if you use some type of creamer and/or sweetener.

For a full pot we use 4 scoops, and fill the machine just shy of overflowing.

Really?  I was going off the amount of scoops in the Moccamaster manual.  For 4 cups of water I was using 3 scoops and for a full 10 cups I was using 7 scoops.  The 7 scoops of grounds was just about full.  Maybe your scoop is bigger than mine?  My scoop is equivalent to 2 TBSP.

One thing to keep in mind: the finer you grind the coffee the more surface area is created. Finer grounds and a finer filter is needed. Surface area, temperature and time determine how much of the contents you'll extract.

In case you want to taste something interesting: take a french press, fill with normal amount of ground coffee and cold water, put on a lid and store in the fridge for 10h, then press. Cold extraction, some like it, some don't.

I think I tried a cold brewed coffee at Starbucks before - seemed like regular iced coffee to me.  Nothing really that special, but it seems like cold brew is all the rage lately.

This morning I made 4 cups of coffee and used 25 grams of whole beans ground on 19.  I meant to change it to 20 but only remembered when the grinding was just about done.  Today's cup tastes much better!  I don't taste the acid or bitterness so I'm going to try to drink it black.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #108 on: July 30, 2018, 10:27 PM »
Mine came with the Technivorm. 2 tbsp sounds right from memory. I bet we have the same scoop.

We used to drink French Roast (pretty dark) with cream and/or sweetener. When we switched to black we had to cut way back on the amount of coffee to be able to drink it.

When we could no longer get 8 O'Clock French Roast we switched to Community Med Roast (several similar flavors) and just stayed with those proportions.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #109 on: July 31, 2018, 09:39 AM »
Oh yeah we most likely have the same scoop then.

My Blue Bottle Beta Blend came in the mail yesterday.  That's fast delivery considering it's coming all the way from Oakland, CA and I ordered last Thursday.

I followed @Dane ratio of 60 grams of Blue Bottle Beans ground on setting 19 and 8 cups on the Moccamaster.  I'm able to drink this coffee straight black as is, but I'm not crazy about the taste.  I think it tastes too "citrusy."  I think I prefer the Dark Sumatra with a 25 grams to 4 cups ratio, at least in terms of drinking it black.  I should try adding some half and half to the Blue Bottle Beta Blend.  That might be good and probably won't require that much half and half.

I was surprised how much lighter in color the Blue Bottle Beta Blend beans were compared to the Dark Sumatra.  The Blue Bottle Beans also seem a lot drier than the Dark Sumatra.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #110 on: July 31, 2018, 10:28 AM »

I ended up with the Clever Coffee Dripper. An immersion based system. Ordered a sampler from Black Rifle Coffee and it should be delivered some time today.

Can't wait.
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« Reply #111 on: July 31, 2018, 10:32 AM »
I had forgotten about Black Rifle Coffee.  Not too long ago I was seeing a lot of press about them.  Please let me know what you think of their coffee.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #112 on: August 01, 2018, 01:54 PM »
I just came across this cool Moccamaster Factory Tour video on YouTube: .

It was interesting to see how it was made and assembled.
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« Reply #113 on: August 02, 2018, 09:46 AM »

Made a mug of the Just Black yesterday and followed directions of 2TBSP per 6 oz and it had me bouncing off the walls and was way to strong. I halved the amount that I ground today and it's pretty awesome stuff.

I went from communal office pot of seattles best to this and it's the first time I actually like coffee as is without sugar/cream.


I had forgotten about Black Rifle Coffee.  Not too long ago I was seeing a lot of press about them.  Please let me know what you think of their coffee.
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« Reply #114 on: August 02, 2018, 10:14 AM »
Cool.  Thanks for following up. Good to know it's strong stuff but you can drink it black.

I ordered a bag of Bella Finca from Henry's House of Coffee yesterday. I'm looking forward to trying that.
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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #115 on: August 03, 2018, 09:46 AM »

I gotta say I really like manually grinding. about 50 revs is a TBSP so I am dialing in to exactly how I like it by changing how many revs each day so grind only what I need for a wonderful cup
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« Reply #116 on: August 05, 2018, 09:11 PM »
Good deal.  Sounds like you're getting a little mini arm workout in the process too.

My Bella Finca came from Henry's House of the Coffee on Friday.  I eagerly tried it out on Saturday morning and it was just ok.  Nothing earth shattering.  I think I might like the Dark Sumatra more. 

Last night I started steeping a cold brew with the Bella Finca - 4 cups of water to 1 cup of whole beans ground on setting 20.  This morning I strained the coffee and made my wife and myself a Cold Brew Latte.  It was pretty good.  Then I made myself a cup of cold brew with just ice and a little bit of sugar.  I think I liked the black cold brew with sugar more than the Cold Brew Latte.
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« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2018, 12:23 PM »
I finally got around to buying a bag of the Veranda Blend of Blonde roast from Starbucks.  Unfortunately I immediately didn't like how fruity or florally the taste was.

I just got my latest delivery from Henry's House of Coffee (Parker wants some coffee too).



I'm trying out my first cup of Conquistador coffee now.  It's good - as the bag says, more cocoa-y than chocolatey like the Bella Finca.  I have to change my opinion of what I said before.  I think Bella Finca is my favorite.  I had previously said that I thought I liked the Dark Sumatra better, but actually the Bella Finca is better than the Dark Sumatra.

I think the ranking is:

  • Bella Finca
  • Conquistador
  • Dark Sumatra

I also bought their "Hello Darkness" sampler pack so I can try out of a few more of their dark roast varieties.

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Re: Coffee Maker Recommendations
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2018, 12:30 PM »
I have been buying my coffee from West Coast Roasting. I drink almost exclusively espresso and I have not found beans that I can approach the taste and depth of flavor I get with their beans. They are a tiny company in California, but they ship beans the morning after they are roasted, I always have them 2 days after roast. Oddly enough found out about them (by meeting the owner) on a car forum....sometimes the internet is a wonderful place....sometimes.