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Offline bobfog

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Come Back Oliver!
« on: June 26, 2016, 03:37 PM »
With tail between my legs, I come with a plea.

In a previous thread, a comment I made towards Oliver aka "Six-Point Socket", on Friday seems to have caused a degree of offence that was simply not intended. As a result (not sure if it was solely down to my single comment) Oliver requested his account be removed.

On Friday I was in a particularly bad mood due to the frankly insane decision for my country to leave the EU and the economic/political turmoil that has/is/continues to cause immense uncertainty for us. As a result my comment, while IMO generally valid, was phrased in a way that was low on tact and diplomacy, for which I regret and apologise for wholeheartedly.

So, Oliver, if you're reading this as a forum lurker, maybe regretting having your account removed a little hastily, we'd love you back, be it with a new account or hopefully one of the moderators can reenable your prior account.

Best regards
Bob.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 03:44 PM by bobfog »

Offline fuzzy logic

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 03:48 PM »
Haven't a clue what this about. 

But...please reconsider if possible Oliver. 

Really enjoyed reading your posts, and, would miss your input. 

Richard (UK)

(Edit: removed couple of words, and, added one) 
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 03:50 PM by fuzzy logic »
Decent people do the right thing - always?

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 03:51 PM »
Haven't a clue what this about. 

But...please reconsider if possible Oliver. 

Really enjoyed reading your posts, and, would miss your input. 

Richard (UK)

Me too (US)

Offline Alex

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 03:54 PM »
Yes please Oliver, come back, I also value your input. Don't let a single bad apple spoil it for you.

Bitte, bleib bei uns!

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 03:59 PM »
Hey Oliver. Please reconsider and return to the fold - you are one of the keys to the forum and personally i enjoy your style of posting. Remember the offer to visit the UK offices is still open as well........
rg
Phil


Hey Oliver. Bitte überdenken und in den Schoß zurückkehren - Sie sind einer der Schlüssel zum Forum und ich persönlich genießen Sie Ihren Stil der Entsendung. Denken Sie daran, das Angebot der britischen Büros zu besuchen nach wie vor als gut öffnen ........
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 05:33 PM »
Hey Oliver,
I asked that you reconsider, now others are also...bitte?

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 07:55 PM »
Hi!

As it is pretty normal I guess to still lurk at a Forum after you have left, I found your thread Bob - and it left me quite a bit baffled.

I'm no little drama queen - and drama in general is not good for forums, thats why I besides asking TylerC for account deletion only told two other members about my decision. I was at exactly this point once before, but simply stopped posting.

I could write a lot about the why - the short version is that I became rather thin skinned in the more recent years of being online, that I found me asking myself why I would still participate on the internet almost constantly and that I considered, and still consider a lot of what I did in the past a waste of valuable time for various reasons.

At the moment, the "old" me (pre 2015) is definitely gone and I'm struggling with the update. Kinda like the annoyance of missing DLL's when you try to install that new software/update. (Maybe that's why I bought a Mac at some point, failing to realize that if it's not missing DLL's, it's something else)

And I apologize that my personal struggle hit the FOG at a time where it better hadn't.

First of all, Bob you got my respect for starting this thread and I'm going to say this as I would to your face (if no kids are around), it takes b*lls to open a thread like this right in public. I never would have called you out on this, as your comment was just the tip of the iceberg, which in that very moment tipped me over the edge. (And just to be clear, the rest of that iceberg is not solely to be found on the FOG in anyway)

I apologize to you Bob for bringing you into this situation - that was not my intention.

For clarification, yes, your comment hit and hurt me - because the way I have read and understand it - it was questioning my ability to decide on a gift for a dear friend whom I know for a long time, whom I "talk" to on an almost daily basis and last but not least whom I connect to on a level that lies far, far beyond spending a couple of hundred bucks on tools - even if he might never put them to, what most here would consider good use but instead use them for some minor tasks. I could write pages about reasons, about a certain lifestyle, about my or his situation - but why would I do so in public? And what would that thread have gained by it except for a lot of personal information that I'm not willing to share?

I intended that thread in question to be entertaining and hoped to find a couple of tools/accessories I hadn't thought of yet. Because I want to have fun, that's the very reason I'm here. I love high quality tools, I love working with them, I love what I do. I'm not a pro, I don't need my tools or work to earn money for me. I want to have fun & entertain people who also like high quality tools, working with them and what they do.

I try to only reply to topics that I know something about and I try not to mess up important threads were I clearly don't have a dog in the fight with my funny attitude and rather "unprofessional" view, as I do understand a lot of people here earn their money with what they do and to them this isn't solely about fun.

It gets to be a lot less fun for me when I come to find that I have to double or triple check every post I make because it could start some drama. And that is the reason for my harsh reaction a couple of days ago. I started what I felt was a very "innocent" fun thread about tools, and the first comment, sorry that that was yours, gave it a nod in a direction that could only end up going further down south from there. (It's not the first time that has happened, albeit not your fault of course) I lost my patience because, and I can't stress that enough, all I want is to have some fun. I didn't want an in-depth analysis of my "gift", it's value, my friendship to someone or a judgement based on so minor information that I gave out because this is still a public forum. And I was at a loss for words that something so trivial could trigger a comment like yours.

But yes, your thoughts were absolutely valid - your opinion is - absolutely no question. But like I wrote above, it's not what I was asking for in that particular thread - and it had simply very bad timing - I snapped.

I understand where you are coming from, I understand that you too had probably very little thin skin/ patience that day especially considering what is going on in your country - an please accept my heartfelt well wishes for the future considering that matter.

I had to admit that the other day and I'll do it again, if English was my native language I probably would have read/understand your comment in a different way and if it had been under different circumstances I might just have replied to it and all would have been good.

In all honesty, after two nights and a Saturday spent woodworking - I do look different on this and yes I was lurking when I found this thread because I thought that it maybe was the wrong decision to leave the FOG.

But I also tend to keep my word, and without your thread I would definitely not have re-signed up. And this really doesn't mean that I don't value the opinion of the two other members I talked to, but by then I had sent TylerC my request for deletion and it felt stupid to ask to forget about that.

Thank you Bob for starting this thread and for choosing this path for both of us. It would feel very cheap to me to simply say I accept your apology, because under different terms, maybe face to face over beer - there would have been nothing to apologize for. So thank you for apologizing, I accept your apology. But I would also like to ask for you to accept my apology, too. For causing this drama and putting you in the middle of it, I didn't intend that in any way.

To all of you nice souls posting here, Thank you very much!


Kind regards,
Oliver
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 08:54 PM by six-point socket II »

Offline copcarcollector

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 08:07 PM »
Oliver - Welcome back! I enjoy your posts. Take care...

Offline bobfog

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Re: Welcome Back Oliver!
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2016, 08:13 PM »
@six-point socket II

Oliver, I won't respond to each individual point you've made above, other than to say everything you've said is valid and I reiterate my apology for the way I responded to the previous thread.

Thank you for having the strength of character to change your mind and reengage the forum.  There was no need to apologise to me, however as you have chosen to graciously do so, of course I accept.

I look forward to your continued contribution to the forum and hope @TylerC can reinstate your old profile and you can pick up where you left off.

Best regards.
Bob.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 08:19 PM by bobfog »

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2016, 08:47 PM »
First off, I'm glad you're back, Oliver. You're a consistent and valuable member of this community.

As to reinstating the old account, at first glance that does not appear to be possible. I'll get wit Scott and see if we can figure something out, but it currently doesn't look like recovering a deleted account is possible. I certainly will if I can.

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2016, 08:52 PM »
Hi!

Thank you very much @TylerC  and I'm sorry this all happened while you're not in the US - so please take your time and if it turns out to be not possible to recover my old account - that's the way it is, and I'll use this one - absolutely no problem for me! :)

Thank you for not giving me a hard time about this and I apologize for the hassle and inconvenience!

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2016, 09:06 PM »
@six-point socket II

My timing sucks. I staged the 5th photo in reply #40 of this thread just for you. Wanted to see if you'd notice.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/another-cms-micro-adjust-(-using-crown-stops)/msg465974/?topicseen#msg465974

Never knew you left, glad your back.

Tom

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2016, 09:13 PM »
Hi!

@tjbnwi , Snap-On  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] Thanks Tom!!! :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2016, 09:16 PM »
Hi!

@tjbnwi , Snap-On  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] Thanks Tom!!! :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Late 60's, mid 70's and late 80's Snap-On.

Bought my first Snap-On tool (wrench set) in '66 or '67.

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2016, 09:26 PM »
Hi!

@tjbnwi , Snap-On  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] Thanks Tom!!! :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

@six-point socket II

Late 60's, mid 70's and late 80's Snap-On.

Bought my first Snap-On tool (wrench set) in '66 or '67.

Tom

So amazing! :) I do have two two late '70's to early '80's ratcheting box wrenches that were German military surplus because I couldn't take a pass on them, but truth to be told, I was born in '86 so I'm a little to young for any truly self purchased Snap-On tools from those years - although sometimes I wish I would have been around then :) Thanks for sharing!

Here are mine


Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline Cheese

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2016, 10:12 PM »
Welcome back Oliver...I think this is a great example why Peter and others have changed their avatars. The FOG can be and is a great  nurturing group, but because of language differences, societal differences and sometimes the need to just hammer out responses on an iPhone without proof reading them, the original intent is not only lost, but can become severely misconstrued.

I think this can become that moment when we decide to not just post...but post with a proof read, and the proof read is not just a spell check but a look at how the phrasing of the answer might affect the other person.

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2016, 11:40 PM »
Oliver,
Welcome back!

Reading your helpfully entertaining posts, and viewing your wonderful photos has been a delight.  You are one of the good people who make the FOG a great place to be!

Looking forward to more of your posts!

Thanks, Mike A.

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2016, 12:25 AM »
Thank you very much!

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2016, 02:42 AM »
Thanks you guys, both Bob and Oliver.

Thank you for your humility, your willingness to put the other first and find a resolution, and for doing so in a public manner in this online community.
It's heartening to see and you set a terrific example for all of us.

Best Regards,
Dave
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Offline Kev

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2016, 03:33 AM »


Well Oliver .. you would have been a baby in the 80's [wink] [big grin]

Kev.

Offline Goz

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2016, 11:45 AM »
Glad you're back, Oliver.  I really enjoy your posts!

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Re: Come Back Oliver!
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2016, 04:00 PM »
+1
Welcome back!