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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2008, 09:37 AM »
fuel tax varies a lot over on the continent, when i was regularly driving to spain from england we avoided buying diesel until we got to france, and spanish fuel was cheaper again

continenental artics (semis) fit long range tanks and fill up at continental ports to avoid buying fuel in england

some english truck companies register their truck fleets (perfectly legally) in europe to avoid our taxation system   






artic is the most common term in england for articulated trucks
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2008, 09:55 AM »
the ultimate accessory for your chelsea tractor ?

spray on mud.....................  ;D



this is not a joke product

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/jun/14/uknews

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   I've got some Throw On Dirt that I could let go for  $5.00 a pound.     :D


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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2008, 10:03 AM »
does "let go" refer to the installation charge    :D



dont worry seth, there will be some stupid limey who will pay your price

it will of course retail in the uk at 10 dollars
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2008, 10:43 AM »
does "let go" refer to the installation charge    :D



dont worry seth, there will be some stupid limey who will pay your price

it will of course retail in the uk at 10 dollars


The shipping to Europe is a killer though.   I will custom install , but that gets pricey.



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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2008, 12:33 PM »
the ultimate accessory for your chelsea tractor ?

spray on mud.....................  ;D

There are pickup owners in the US that will not put anything in the bed for fear the paint would be scratched.

I do understand the hesitation, which is why with every new truck I've put a dent inside the bed with a hammer immediately on taking delivery.  "There, it's not new anymore."

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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2008, 12:36 PM »
   I've got some Throw On Dirt that I could let go for  $5.00 a pound.     :D

Don't go for it!  Seth's mud is inferior!  The best US mud is Georgia Red Clay!  Accept no substitutes!

I have no mud.  Best we can do here is sand, gravel, and something that looks like thin peat moss.

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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2008, 05:45 PM »
Politics get mentioned, and instantly the mud slinging begins!

Hadn't heard the term Chelsea Tractor before. Not sure if there is a US equivalent... "giant SUV driven by a soccer mom" doesn't have the same ring.
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2008, 07:09 PM »
In Melbourne they call a Range Rover a "Toorak Tractor", no doubt the English influence there. Toorak Road is where the mansions are.
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2008, 07:45 PM »

There are pickup owners in the US that will not put anything in the bed for fear the paint would be scratched.



I have two trucks, the F250 will haul anything and I don't care what I put in the bed. The F150 is more dainty, it has a lid on the bed, which is completely lined with carpeting. I keep that one highly polished and don't allow anything in it that's even slightly dirty.

Trucks are kinda like boots, you have a pair to work in that get torn up, and a pair you take good care of so you can go anywhere without being ashamed to be seen in them. 


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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2008, 08:13 PM »

There are pickup owners in the US that will not put anything in the bed for fear the paint would be scratched.



I have two trucks, the F250 will haul anything and I don't care what I put in the bed. The F150 is more dainty, it has a lid on the bed, which is completely lined with carpeting. I keep that one highly polished and don't allow anything in it that's even slightly dirty.

Trucks are kinda like boots, you have a pair to work in that get torn up, and a pair you take good care of so you can go anywhere without being ashamed to be seen in them. 


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I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2008, 08:26 PM »
Trucks are kinda like boots, you have a pair to work in that get torn up, and a pair you take good care of so you can go anywhere without being ashamed to be seen in them. 

John

There was a time I probably would have agreed with you, I had two trucks in Cali myself, an F350 crew 4x diesel, and an Isuzu Rodeo. Now I'm having a really hard time justifying a second vehicle for the family here! After all, we can walk to school, the market, and the train line (which is not perfect, but covers a lot of ground here in Melbourne).

Sure it's inconvenient to walk, but it's loads cheaper in both short and long term costs. I like to think of the operation costs of a vehicle here as more 'real'. Gas is AU$1.50 a litre right now here (that's about USD$5.30/gal with all the conversions), and everything I'm reading says crude will be $200 a barrel in the next 7-10 years. That will probably work out to $8-9/gal (or more!). The road costs are about 15% higher here, registration reflects the part of road liability that the gov't covers and then you need add'l insurance on top of that. I'll most likely be getting a trailer for materials, all the Gray boxes fit in the CRV with room to spare.

You'll really be able to keep that F150 spotless when it doesn't go anywhere at all anymore, let alone anywhere dirty.  ;)

Sorry, I know that's a wet blanket rant, I'm not trying to specifically persecute you, but at some point we do need to be a bit less flip about cars. They aren't much like boots at all. The results are in, we need to change or we'll be forced to change. Party's almost over.  :-[
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2008, 08:34 PM »

Sorry, I know that's a wet blanket rant, I'm not trying to specifically persecute you, but at some point we do need to be a bit less flip about cars. They aren't much like boots at all.



Not being flip, Eli. I do understand the issues. And I'm sure you understand the challenges of getting around in Los Angeles.

Don't forget that I can only drive one truck at a time, and that's usually the one that gets the best mileage. The other one can pull a house down and gets only 8 mpg, but its carbon footprint is zero when it sits, which is most of the time. And, my wife's car is a hybrid, which gets driven the most of all. So, our average mileage for the household is probably better than most.

And I'm sorry too, but to me my trucks are just like my boots (of which I can also only use one pair at a time).  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  ;)


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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2008, 05:01 AM »
yes eli's got it originally it meant range rovers now its any large luxury 4x4

chelsea is one of the most expensive areas in london

its always a second car used primarily for getting kids to school by mums and they have never seen mud in their lives

tractor = a vastly expensive vehicle thats too large, overpowered and cant manover on urban roads (for cant manouver read a mum who would be safer driving a toyota yaris)

chelsea tractor is also a metaphor for gas guzzler


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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2008, 05:44 AM »
graphex i missed your mud slinging comment first time round

but not the second time  ;D
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2008, 08:32 AM »

Sorry, I know that's a wet blanket rant, I'm not trying to specifically persecute you, but at some point we do need to be a bit less flip about cars. They aren't much like boots at all.



Not being flip, Eli. I do understand the issues. And I'm sure you understand the challenges of getting around in Los Angeles.

Don't forget that I can only drive one truck at a time, and that's usually the one that gets the best mileage. The other one can pull a house down and gets only 8 mpg, but its carbon footprint is zero when it sits, which is most of the time. And, my wife's car is a hybrid, which gets driven the most of all. So, our average mileage for the household is probably better than most.

And I'm sorry too, but to me my trucks are just like my boots (of which I can also only use one pair at a time).  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  ;)


John

Points accepted.  ;)
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Offline Forrest Anderson

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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2008, 12:26 PM »
yes eli's got it originally it meant range rovers now its any large luxury 4x4

chelsea is one of the most expensive areas in london

its always a second car used primarily for getting kids to school by mums and they have never seen mud in their lives

tractor = a vastly expensive vehicle thats too large, overpowered and cant manover on urban roads (for cant manouver read a mum who would be safer driving a toyota yaris)

chelsea tractor is also a metaphor for gas guzzler

Since we seem to be on the subject of derogatory terms for certain categories of motorists in the UK, I'll add another - White Van Man.

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Wikipedia entry:
"White van man" is a stereotype, a usually pejorative term used in the United Kingdom to describe aggressive, thoughtless drivers of light commercial vehicles. Such vehicles are almost always painted white at the factory - in order to facilitate easy sign-writing on the panelled sides - and as such, the colour is very popular among van buyers. Drivers of un-lettered white vans are often thought of as having poor road manners, cutting off other road users and generally failing to drive safely. The term is therefore used to refer generally to aggressive van driving, extremely fast driving speeds and is not usually specific in its target.

The stereotypical "white van man" is often thought to be a self-employed or small businessman, often a builder, carpenter or a plumber. His vehicle of choice is the popular Ford Transit light panel van.
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Chelsea Tractors, White Van Man - where would we be without stereotypes, huh?   ::)

Forrest


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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2008, 12:50 PM »
being a self employed carpenter i drive MY transit with dark glasses  8)       so nobody recognises me  ;D  ;D


another stereotype british driver. the flat cap driver..    clearly he wears a flat cap and always has driving gloves

hes rich enough to buy a lambourgini or ferrari outright, then drives the damm thing at 35mph on outside lane of the motorway



highway code in england. motorway driving, MINIMUM speed limit 30 mph, maximum legal  ::)  is 70  and what is termed undertaking is illegal (using the middle or inside lane)

so when you undertake flat cap man you get you done for dangerous driving IE get you banned





white transits are driven at a mimimum of 90 mph          ;D ;D
sprinters do over 120mph.................... what else do you expect from a mercedes van  :P
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2008, 12:57 PM »
correction

transits (should be) driven flat out............................... 90 mph is the minimum speed
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Offline JJ Wavra

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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2008, 04:00 PM »
being a self employed carpenter i drive MY transit with dark glasses  8)       so nobody recognises me  ;D  ;D


another stereotype british driver. the flat cap driver..    clearly he wears a flat cap and always has driving gloves

hes rich enough to buy a lambourgini or ferrari outright, then drives the damm thing at 35mph on outside lane of the motorway



highway code in england. motorway driving, MINIMUM speed limit 30 mph, maximum legal  ::)  is 70  and what is termed undertaking is illegal (using the middle or inside lane)

so when you undertake flat cap man you get you done for dangerous driving IE get you banned





white transits are driven at a mimimum of 90 mph          ;D ;D
sprinters do over 120mph.................... what else do you expect from a mercedes van  :P

That is the same by where I live. There is some rather afluent areas around me and so you will see some ferraris and lambos.  Of all the time I have been driving I think that only one or two of those cars actually passed me.  As a side note, I don't drive fast but those high performance machines are driven even slower.

My brother and I call the big suvs kiddy cruisers, because undoubtly a mom is driving her kids some where while tailgating you and then rolling the stops signs.  God forbid the kids are late soccer practice. :D

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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2008, 04:46 PM »
jj youve got it   "kiddy cruisers"

that's a really good definition for chelsea tractors /  toorak tractors

its not too,,,,,,,,, rude                     but it is abusive enaugh not to be a compliment



as for being late for football practice........................... well said that man
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2008, 07:48 PM »


that's a really good definition for chelsea tractors /  toorak tractors



I drive a Chelsea Tractor - Range Rover - and every time I fill it up at ?120 -$240 - I think of all the help I'm giving to the illegal immigrants that are coming through the Channel Tunnel. Excuse me if that's not a politically correct statement.



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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2008, 02:46 PM »
if illegal immigrants get in your vehicle, make sure YOU are not driving

the law as it stands here is there is a 10,000 pound fine for EACH illegal immigrant

(about 20,000 dollars american) is levied on the DRIVER, not the owner of the vehicle
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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2008, 03:30 PM »
if illegal immigrants get in your vehicle, make sure YOU are not driving

the law as it stands here is there is a 10,000 pound fine for EACH illegal immigrant

(about 20,000 dollars american) is levied on the DRIVER, not the owner of the vehicle

I did suggest to the Immigration Department that this a totally unfair practice and that if they really wanted to stop immigrants arriving in the back of lorries then they should insist that all exhaust pipes terminate in the trailer - they never replied  ;D

Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: diesel is getting expensive
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2008, 02:58 PM »
there is a problem with this strategy

flowers from holland wilt on the way over  :P
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