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« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2008, 06:40 PM » |
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« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2008, 08:01 PM » |
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I appreciate that the more experienced among us sharing some history. As a newbie, I was a bit puzzled my the emotion I picked up reading the posts.
I don't quite understand the marketing strategy of the EZ folks. I was literally interested in ordering one of the products, and was perusing their website..... THEN I read the owner's posts, and promptly decided that I would never, ever order anything from such a person. If I was marketing a product, I would probably not go out of my way to insult an entire forum, its members, the tools they use, or the forum's administrator. Strange.
But then again, thank you Dino for saving me several hundred dollars.
No need to reply, done deal. Hope it felt good to "win."
EZ Blowsit
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d.epstein
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« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2008, 08:10 PM » |
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You can say you like the festool and nothing else, that's passionate opinion. But do not defame the merits of other tools or the efforts of others to invent new tools just to justify your affection.
This country still has some brilliant inventive minds. One of the obstacles they face in bringing a tool to market is the attitude that says 'there can be nothing better'.
The attitude Matthew, the 'superior' attitude.
Chris.
Dino,
After reading and searching the facts, I think Chris is 100% right.
Who is PaulB?
Never mind. I'll call you tomorrow.
Thanks for posting.
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« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2008, 08:46 PM » |
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Dino - I cannot believe you are dredging up the crap you are posting. After the last round of F vs EZ war posts at Sawmill Creek, the home of your own forum, I would think you would have learned something. Apparently you did learn something, because the F vs EZ threads have ceased at Sawmill Creek. I suppose you know if you acted on Sawmill Creek like you are acting here, the administrator would shut you and your forum down.
Matthew - I cannot believe you are allowing this thread and Dino's posting to continue.
Per - Enjoy your popcorn.
Webfarmer - Thanks for speaking with your wallet.
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« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2008, 09:49 PM » |
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Per, You got extra butter for that popcorn? |
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Per Swenson
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« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2008, 10:02 PM » |
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« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2008, 10:46 PM » |
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.............................So, to members of the FOG, let me say this: Dino can come here and post, but he's on a short leash.
To Dino: you can post responses to direct criticism of your products. But do not use this forum to promote EZ Smart.
Thanks,
Matthew
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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2008, 11:03 PM » |
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could use a Big Red soda and some Junior Mints as well...
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« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2008, 11:12 PM » |
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« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2008, 06:34 AM » |
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« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2008, 07:55 AM » |
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« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2008, 08:34 AM » |
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« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2008, 09:59 AM » |
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Good Morning,
This is fun! Thanks Per and others for providing a theatrical experience. But be careful, Dino might label you as one of my soldiers!
I agree that this thread should be shut down, and it will.
But for the moment, this thread is hurting Dino and helping Festool. The more Dino brings up, the more he turns off potential customers, like Webfarmer. Even the old Taunton posts he dredged up strengthen the arguments against him. I've never harbored any ill will towards Dino, and in those Tauntonm posts, it's pretty clear I was trying to be fair to EZ Smart.
A lot of new customers come along who may not know the whole Festool versus EZ Smart debate. With this thread available, they can get up to speed and make a proper choice!
Another thing, this helps the Festool Owners Group. We've had some disagreements around here lately, and a discussion like this shows that we agree more than we disagree.
So, I'm going to lock this discussion by the end of the morning. Get your final comments in everyone.
Last call for popcorn and soda!
Stay in touch,
Matthew
PS: I have some dirt on Dino that would devastate his entire argument. Believe me, the inside knowledge I have would absolutely level him.
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« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2008, 11:01 AM » |
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Good Morning,
Another thing, this helps the Festool Owners Group. We've had some disagreements around here lately, and a discussion like this shows that we agree more than we disagree.
So happy to bring ( not brink ) unity to this club and save it from self destruction. Matthew, Call me anytime you have problems with your club. Stay in touch. Dino You know my number. Yes, same one.  |
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« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2008, 12:24 PM » |
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Yo Dino,
Here's a new EZ Challenge for you. Take this thread to the EurekaZone (EZ-Smart System) forum at Sawmill Creek. Let's see how long it would take for the discussion to be shut down, the thread deleted and the EZ forum closed.
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« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2008, 12:58 PM » |
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Yo Dino,
Here's a new EZ Challenge for you. Take this thread to the EurekaZone (EZ-Smart System) forum at Sawmill Creek. Let's see how long it would take for the discussion to be shut down, the thread deleted and the EZ forum closed.
David. From day one. And this is not the only thread. The FOG rules are good as long as they benefit Festool. Come over to SMC and start calling people "minions" because they don't own the same tools that you're promoting. Stay in touch. I got this from Matthews. Stop in our forum and you will see that we respect all people and users. EZ-Ryobi...Minions...to keep Dino in check... Is this a woodworking forum or a hate club? Stay in touch. PS. I will post the ez challenge in the SMC forum. Challenge is good. So far I see no takers. |
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« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2008, 01:39 PM » |
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PS. I will post the ez challenge in the SMC forum. Challenge is good. So far I see no takers. Yo again Dino. So I jump over to the SMC forum and I look for the EZ Challenge you say you posted. I look in the EZ forum, General Woodworking and Power Tools forum and Off Topic forum. Where did you hide your post? Or maybe the moderators have removed your post, like I thought they would? We need a little help here! How about a link - you can post links to other forums here. Challenge is good. So far I see no challenge.  |
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Nisse
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« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2008, 07:48 PM » |
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Hi all,
just wanted to let you all know that
there is something rotten in the state of Denmark
have been reading the EZ-Duzit thread because I have had
some problem with my Festool TS75 plunge saw and the
MultiFunctionTable
I need to rip 2" thick and 4-9" wide solid wood down to
2" by 2" dimension
now, I tried rip it with the Festool rail system and I
simply cant get perpendicular cuts
Dino The Carpenter at EurekaZone tells me it can be done
easily with their rail system and my TS75, but it seems
like all of the professional woodworkers here at the
FestoolOwnersGroup thinks the Festool is a much better
system
in the EZ-Duzit thread you all jumped on the carpenter
Dino but nobody is telling what's wrong with his system
some of the honorable members pointed out that Dino is
the owner of EurekaZone and wants to earn some money
on his own inventions?
do you mean the Festool or other companies are in the
business to lose money?
now, my only concern is to get perpendicular and square
cuts, so could anybody tell me how to do it with Festool
MFT and my TS75 plunge saw?
- also, why are the alu profiles on the side of MFT not perpendicular
to the MDF table surface?
makes it almost useless when clamping wood or jigs
this is hard facts and I need help, so please do not
blame Dino The Honest Carpenter for Festool malfunction
I spent good money on Festool MFT and rails and it
doesn't work. Is there some real reasons for me not to
jump on the phone and order some EurekaZone parts to see
if it could solve my perpendicular Festool problem?
Nils
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« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2008, 08:14 PM » |
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Nisse - I have to say that I'm not sure what your problem is. I do this all the time (admittedly with 1 and 3/4 inch stock, not a true 2 inch thick piece, and I use an ATF55, not the 75). I can get within a few thousands of an inch accuracy over 31 inch lengths on the MFT. Perhaps one of the tricks is supporting the guide rail with stock of the same thickness. I've also found it useful to use a piece with a straight edge as a fence under the guide rail: set it so that you can snug the piece you're going to cut up to it, and you'll get a perfect cut every time (or at least the same cut every time, if you didn't align it properly). If you spend a little time before making the cut aligning the pieces, you can make perfectly square cuts.
You might also check that your saw blade is perpendicular to the base. Mine wasn't perfectly aligned when I got it - it's a quick and easy fix.
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« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2008, 08:24 PM » |
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now, I tried rip it with the Festool rail system and I
simply cant get perpendicular cuts
Maybe you need to work on technique. I have both E and F systems and can cut straight with both. So, make a decision on one of them and commit yourself to technique. Without the commitment, you are not going to cut straight with anything. it seems
like all of the professional woodworkers here at the
FestoolOwnersGroup thinks the Festool is a much better
system Well, you are on a Festool forum, what would you expect? Most people here are using Festool tools and like them very much...me included. now, my only concern is to get perpendicular and square
cuts, so could anybody tell me how to do it with Festool
MFT and my TS75 plunge saw?
I spent good money on Festool MFT and rails and it
doesn't work. Well, if you go out and spend your good money on an airplane, that doesn't mean that you will go right out and fly it...and not being able to fly that plane doesn't mean that the plane is junk. It just means that the wanna be pilot needs to be schooled. There are good folks around here that will answer any questions relating to Festool tools or technique that you may have. You just need to ask. Your claim that "it doesn't work" is just without merit. So, you should either ask your questions and begin learning technique on the Festool stuff, or go with EZ and learn technique on that. But, in either case, if something doesn't work, it's not the tool, it's the pilot. |
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« Reply #81 on: August 04, 2008, 08:30 PM » |
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Nisse, Welcome and how ya doin? It is customary before ones first post to read a little first. That is of course if you really are here for information. If and after you use this fancy intertoob feature here, search( don't worry I added the criteria for you), Come on back and I betcha you will phrase your question differently, and rabid Festoolians won't think poorly of your post. Your real carpenter friend Per |
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« Reply #82 on: August 04, 2008, 08:33 PM » |
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« Reply #83 on: August 04, 2008, 08:41 PM » |
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Ah Chris, Of course I just sent Son Hunter down to the A&P, Betcha can't guess what for. Give you a hint.  |
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« Reply #84 on: August 04, 2008, 08:43 PM » |
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If and after you use this fancy intertoob feature here, search( don't worry I added the criteria for you), Per, that's just too cool!!! You are truely a gentlemen and a scholar. When you get a chance, can you create some searches for me too? While you're at it, can you reboot my PC whenever it gets slow or confused.  |
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Hmmm.....It seems that the OP has the same problems with english syntax as another non-native speaker on a thread of a similar subject. Just sayin....quacks like a duck.
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« Reply #86 on: August 04, 2008, 08:52 PM » |
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Thanks Rey, I have gotten better at bootin the confusion out of stuff. Per |
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« Reply #87 on: August 04, 2008, 09:18 PM » |
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guess I can build jigs and support under the rails,
but then I'll have to do it for each and every dimension
and when ripping 3-5m lengths it takes me to much time
also I bought the MFT in order to avoid building support
and jigs all the time, if you cant cut perpendicular without
special support and jigs than it doesn't work,
as somebody stipulated above in this thread, cant fly with
a submarine, not even if its painted yellow
have been using the MFT for the last 2 years and it seems
to me like its just not constructed for solid wood
anybody tried the TS75 on the EurekaZone rails,
how well does it work?
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« Reply #88 on: August 04, 2008, 09:28 PM » |
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have been using the MFT for the last 2 years and it seems
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