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Offline GoingMyWay

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Holmes and Holmes
« on: August 21, 2018, 08:39 PM »
I started watching the second season of Holmes and Holmes on DIY Network.  In case you're not familiar with the show Mike Holmes has partnered with his son, Mike Holmes Jr. to start buying properties to renovate and flip for a profit.

I couldn't help but notice in the second episode that Mike Holmes is now using Festool.  He used to be a DeWalt guy.





I really liked his original show Holmes on Homes and even his later Holmes Inspection.  I find this new Holmes and Holmes to be very annoying.  Too much made up drama and not enough actual construction work.  I guess that's the direction most home improvement shows are going or have gone.

Anyway, I thought it was cool to see Mike Holmes using Festool.
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Offline JD2720

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 08:51 PM »

I really liked his original show Holmes on Homes and even his later Holmes Inspection.  I find this new Holmes and Holmes to be very annoying.  Too much made up drama and not enough actual construction work.  I guess that's the direction most home improvement shows are going or have gone.

Anyway, I thought it was cool to see Mike Holmes using Festool.

I also liked his original show. I also do not like the new show for the reasons you stated.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 09:12 PM »
I think it was his son that drove the Festool stuff, he has been using them in pervious seasons.  Some of the episode were more of a commercial for Festool (demonstrating the sander for removing popcorn ceiling). But it looked like in earlier series Mike Jr was using them just because he liked them.

I still like all his stuff, but yeah, Holmes and Holmes has a weird reality show side.  I think it's part of some odd origin story.  Since the first season was doing Juniors house, it had a natural deal of covering him getting engage, which then rolled into this season with getting married.  I hope later season just get back to the old formula.   I think some of this happened due to Sr. coming to the US and doing some shows for Fox which were awful reality shows.

What has bothered me more is where the series they did before were good because of real ness.  But on season 2,  their is stuff not being said that is showing it not being as it seams.  If you watch the previous season you will know the "country house" was his daughter sherry's house in season 1.   So either they faked it being her house in season 1, or it was her house, and now they never mention that and act as they just bought it from someone.  I don't know Canada Realestate but 900 grand for that place sound way off.  So I wonder if it was a way to funnel money off to her, or that are just purely making up numbers or something.  It's not like it would hurt the story if they said "I bought my daughters house to flip it and show her what she could have done".

Additionally, if you watched his Garage Series, you will quickly notice Mike Sr lives directly across the street. So he's fixing up the property across the way which may be his daughters or one he all ready owned.  I don't know if in some ways he just doesn't want to talk about how many problems his daughters house had which is certainly would have looked at when buying it before she lived in it.

This has been bugging me all season.  If he just said "I bought the neighbor house years ago and my daughter lived in it for a few years till getting married, we found it had some major issues over time, even I miss things, and now I'm going to fix it like I do the other homes and show you can do this and make a profit". I'd be more than ok with that.


Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2018, 09:15 PM »
Also a side graphics issue.   I get it's Holmes AND Holmes, with and being an additive term, so they have the Philips head screw in there which looks sorta like a Plug sign.  But they are Canadian, anyone who understands history knows that screw should be a Square Drive (Robertson).


Offline BMAC

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2018, 12:18 AM »
$900K is a steal here on the West Coast of Canada in Vancouver. We have some of the most expensive real estate in North America and many parts of the world including as much if not more than New York City for residential single-family dwellings. This article is from 2016 and prices have dropped only slightly since then but this article is representative of what it’s like to buy housing in Vancouver!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-teardown-real-estate-1.3449869
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Offline kevinculle

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2018, 07:58 AM »
I would presume that in a commercial TV program like this the featured tool supplier is whomever offers thye most generous terms (all show tools free, here's some extra tools for you to use at home Mike, a one minute segment highlighting a tool gets the show paid at TV commercial advertising rates, etc.).  When that is not the case you usually see the tools with logos taped over so as not to discourage other tool suppliers from advertising.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2018, 09:57 AM »
I would presume that in a commercial TV program like this the featured tool supplier is whomever offers thye most generous terms (all show tools free, here's some extra tools for you to use at home Mike, a one minute segment highlighting a tool gets the show paid at TV commercial advertising rates, etc.).  When that is not the case you usually see the tools with logos taped over so as not to discourage other tool suppliers from advertising.

In the early series he did, there was the progression.  From using what they had, to getting corp support so then their were heavy. Dewalt and Milwaukee phases.   Since those shows ended they have been doing more small random shows without the same corp support.  Tools always changing and you see all brands of tools being used.  Even now with the Festool stuff more common their is a ton of non Festool used, even in the same scenes. 

They list the products they "approve" on the Holmes website, Festool isn't there. "King" was there, they show up in the woodshop with a shop full of them. 

I think maybe they got paid to do a random plug for Festool but in general unlike the Dewalt and Milwaukee periods I think they might simply have bought some of them because they like them.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2018, 09:59 AM »
I think it was his son that drove the Festool stuff, he has been using them in pervious seasons.  Some of the episode were more of a commercial for Festool (demonstrating the sander for removing popcorn ceiling). But it looked like in earlier series Mike Jr was using them just because he liked them.

I still like all his stuff, but yeah, Holmes and Holmes has a weird reality show side.  I think it's part of some odd origin story.  Since the first season was doing Juniors house, it had a natural deal of covering him getting engage, which then rolled into this season with getting married.  I hope later season just get back to the old formula.   I think some of this happened due to Sr. coming to the US and doing some shows for Fox which were awful reality shows.

What has bothered me more is where the series they did before were good because of real ness.  But on season 2,  their is stuff not being said that is showing it not being as it seams.  If you watch the previous season you will know the "country house" was his daughter sherry's house in season 1.   So either they faked it being her house in season 1, or it was her house, and now they never mention that and act as they just bought it from someone.  I don't know Canada Realestate but 900 grand for that place sound way off.  So I wonder if it was a way to funnel money off to her, or that are just purely making up numbers or something.  It's not like it would hurt the story if they said "I bought my daughters house to flip it and show her what she could have done".

Additionally, if you watched his Garage Series, you will quickly notice Mike Sr lives directly across the street. So he's fixing up the property across the way which may be his daughters or one he all ready owned.  I don't know if in some ways he just doesn't want to talk about how many problems his daughters house had which is certainly would have looked at when buying it before she lived in it.

This has been bugging me all season.  If he just said "I bought the neighbor house years ago and my daughter lived in it for a few years till getting married, we found it had some major issues over time, even I miss things, and now I'm going to fix it like I do the other homes and show you can do this and make a profit". I'd be more than ok with that.

I hadn't seen the first season.  I think the last Mike Holmes show I watched was Holmes Make it Right - well I did see that show he had on Fox where he was giving away a home, but I think we turned it off mid way through because it was so bad.

Any else bugged by the fact that Mike Holmes Jr. is wearing a wedding ring in most of the shots even though part of the storyline is that he's preparing for his wedding?  I'm operating under the assumption that he had already gotten married when they were filming the show.  The producers thought it would be a good idea to add in the wedding part (extra drama) and just edited it all together to make it look like he was about to get married when in fact it had already taken place in the past.

I never really realized how sneaky you can be when editing video until I watched some YouTube videos on how to use Final Cut Pro and then actually edited the travel footage I shot.  You can really make something look totally different from what actually happened.

I would presume that in a commercial TV program like this the featured tool supplier is whomever offers thye most generous terms (all show tools free, here's some extra tools for you to use at home Mike, a one minute segment highlighting a tool gets the show paid at TV commercial advertising rates, etc.).  When that is not the case you usually see the tools with logos taped over so as not to discourage other tool suppliers from advertising.

That's a good thought, but wouldn't that relationship have to be disclosed?  I just checked the credits and Festool was not listed.



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Offline Cheese

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2018, 10:15 AM »
I watched the Holmes shows when they were going through their Milwaukee tool phase, I rather liked them.

However, just reading the above comments on the current Holmes show, it reminds me of American Chopper and what happened to that program as they felt the need to add more & more drama to each show... [eek]  At some point I just quit watching.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2018, 10:32 AM »
I guess I missed or never saw the episodes when they were in their Milwaukee phase, or I might not have been paying attention.  DeWalt is what most noticeably stands out in my mind.

I also really liked the American Chopper show.  I still kinda like it - I watched the reboot (if you wanna call it that) that was on back in May.

I'm also going to finish watching the second season of Holmes on Holmes.  I'm a masochist and like to watch programs that annoy me just so I have something to complain about.
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2018, 11:22 AM »
I dont watch Home Improvement shows to much anymore. I never can to what they do build a porch etc in a half hour to a hour...... plus most of them never really show the actual issues ya run into during a remodel, its mostly just do this and just do that and yer done. especially now with all these husband and wife teams.

Most of the shows I see on the networks are these house flipping shows. People think its easy peasy buy a beater remodel it and flip it make some good money doin it.

Folks, Its not that easy.........

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Holmes and Holmes
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2018, 02:32 PM »
I dont watch Home Improvement shows to much anymore. I never can to what they do build a porch etc in a half hour to a hour...... plus most of them never really show the actual issues ya run into during a remodel, its mostly just do this and just do that and yer done. especially now with all these husband and wife teams.

Most of the shows I see on the networks are these house flipping shows. People think its easy peasy buy a beater remodel it and flip it make some good money doin it.

Folks, Its not that easy.........

That's why the Mike Holmes shows were/are refreshing.  He's showing the really issues and what it takes to fix the real issues, the finishes aren't covered so much as they are not the main focus aside from how to make sure they too don't fail.  His shows show what's wrong, why it went wrong, what should have been done/not done, and then proceeds to show how to fix it and show what it takes.  The timeframe for the efforts is made clear (he's had some that took over a year (they fixed the house by building a new one)).  He has also has versions of the shows that go over the price breakdown at the end.

But I think at some point they decided they can only fix so many houses in Toronto area and or just got repetitive.  He did some shows in the US that were awful and fell into classic reality tv &*().  I think he took that back to Canada and his new shows now have some of that feel too.  He still goes over a lot of the same stuff from the past shows, but their is more reality show side stuff now that is annoying.

In a way it's probably good his new show is about flipping, as flipping will happen no matter what, so why not show how to do it better.  But in the end, they are working in price ranges beyond most flipping.