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Title: Is this a joke?
Post by: ear3 on July 29, 2017, 03:20 PM
I feel like this guy made a bet with his friends of how many fingers he could cause people to lose.  The real fun starts at :40.  But make sure to watch all the way through to see how he copes:


PLEASE  DO NOT CUT CROWN USING THE METHOD SHOWN

 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGfW7zi4yUA






EDIT> to add warning note.
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: aloysius on July 29, 2017, 03:45 PM
What an idiot!  Apart from the obvious dangers involved, he simply doesn't understand the fundamental principles or even the operation of a miter saw:  that it BOTH mitres AND bevels simultaneously to eliminate the need for this type of lunacy.

There's free access miter saw calculators available on the interweb, and each & every smart 'phone too, that will allow the swift, geometrically accurate adjustments for an infinite number of miter and bevel angles whilst the mouldings are safely held flat against the turntable.
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: Rollin22Petes on July 29, 2017, 03:47 PM
I actually hired a guy about ten years ago that was supposed to be trim carpenter. So the first thing I had him do was run crown around a square box as soon as he held his crown in the saw the same way that idiot did his employment ended. Any good trim guy cuts his crown flat or nested depending on style of trim and he doesn't use a hacksaw to cope. Typical stuff you see on the DYI network butch guys and girls that have no idea what they are doing.
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: deepcreek on July 29, 2017, 05:56 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!!!


Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: Laminator on July 29, 2017, 10:05 PM
Should be referenced as "Unsafe crown cutting", which is no joke.
 
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: WastedP on July 30, 2017, 02:37 PM
This looks like something a new guy would try.  They would receive a lecture and warning on my jobsite.
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: ali on July 30, 2017, 05:36 PM
good grief, don't believe everything you see on the internet  [eek]

Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: Rollin22Petes on July 30, 2017, 07:18 PM
good grief, don't believe everything you see on the internet  [eek]
  While the internet can be a good resource it's vids like this that get people hurt. If your already searching how too run crown you already don't know what your doing then you run across this vid and think I can do that plus the wife insist crown would look great in the family room. Until she's picking up your fingers hoping they can reattached as you race to the ER!!! 
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: smirak on July 30, 2017, 11:08 PM
Go to the website and you'll notice he does this on at least one more video too...
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: Peter_C on July 31, 2017, 12:43 AM
That is almost how I cut crown, except opposite with a Bosch SCMS. What is wrong with using crown stops? *shrugs* works for me. You won't be doing any 10" crown without cutting them flat though.

https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/494369---ab-ks
(http://www.garymkatz.com/toolreviews/Kapex/IMG_5004.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: GarryM on July 31, 2017, 05:13 AM
I have been fitting crown for 20 plus years, this just looks too dangerous to me. How can he possibly get an accurate cut with the moulding flapping in mid air? Even if he tried a jig of some sort or a block at the back at the very least. No, I'll stick to what I know works thanks.....
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: SRSemenza on July 31, 2017, 10:10 AM
Ordinarily we would remove a post / topic demonstrating unsafe practices. In this case it seems that there is a pretty high consensus that the method of cutting shown in that video is wrong and dangerous ( I agree). In this particular case I think this topic serves to warn people off trying to use the method shown. This topic might disappear at some point. And it should not be made a habit on FOG to post unsafe practices video / picture / methods even if to show that they are wrong.

     DON'T CUT CROWN THE WAY THE VIDEO SHOWS TO DO IT

   
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: TylerC on July 31, 2017, 10:23 AM
Just to reiterate what @SRSemenza said, Festool does not recommend this video or the techniques shown in it. Hopefully, that doesn't need to be stated, but I'd rather be too obvious than not enough.
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: Daver on August 01, 2017, 05:26 AM
I have been fitting crown for 20 plus years, this just looks too dangerous to me. How can he possibly get an accurate cut with the moulding flapping in mid air? Even if he tried a jig of some sort or a block at the back at the very least. No, I'll stick to what I know works thanks.....

Of course you're right, Garry.
If by luck this guy keeps his fingers intact doing one of these 'cuts', there's NO WAY he can achieve any kind of accuracy with the stock out there floating in thin air unsupported.

A terrific illustration of exactly what not to do.

Dave
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: NL-mikkla on August 01, 2017, 06:01 AM
Well, he's wearing eye protection, that's something  [smile]
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: ear3 on August 01, 2017, 07:44 AM
You just have to remove the back fence, and then you're good to go  [tongue]

That is almost how I cut crown, except opposite with a Bosch SCMS. What is wrong with using crown stops? *shrugs* works for me. You won't be doing any 10" crown without cutting them flat though.

https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/494369---ab-ks
(http://www.garymkatz.com/toolreviews/Kapex/IMG_5004.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: SRSemenza on August 01, 2017, 11:18 AM
Not to mention the high potential of flying pieces. I also note the the demonstrator is cutting something like light weight MDF or foam ( I think).  The issues will only get worse if cutting solid wood.

Seth
Title: Re: Is this a joke?
Post by: smirak on August 01, 2017, 12:30 PM
I have been fitting crown for 20 plus years, this just looks too dangerous to me. How can he possibly get an accurate cut with the moulding flapping in mid air? Even if he tried a jig of some sort or a block at the back at the very least. No, I'll stick to what I know works thanks.....

Of course you're right, Garry.
If by luck this guy keeps his fingers intact doing one of these 'cuts', there's NO WAY he can achieve any kind of accuracy with the stock out there floating in thin air unsupported.

A terrific illustration of exactly what not to do.

Dave

I did watch one of his other videos (why?  Because I was bored at work).  In that video, he does concede that accuracy will be affected.