I went to the NEC 2010 to day!  

Well I couldn't come back empty handed!    

I went thinking I was just going to look at the Hammer Felder machinery!  but then found BunnyBolts! who had Protool and Festool! I had been looking at the Protool Universe for a while on the internet but when I saw BunnyBolts had one and I had a look I had to buy it!!  I then noticed he had the Protool Auto Feed screw gun and ofcorse I bought that!  Well them two tools cost me £1200 including vat!  

Then I saw! Lamello magnet Invis kit! I had been looking at them months ago on the internet! but thought to my self they arn't any good cant see them being very strong!  Well I was wrong! They are! They hold really well! I was really surprised how well they hold and a must buy! 10% off retail price but it was still going to cost me over £400 so I had to have a think about it so I went for a walk! Thinking I just spend £1200!  Then I saw this KONIG repair kit I loved it and bought it cost me £200!   So I was on £1400

Carried on walking then saw a MAFFEL section pretty big really didnt bother looking at the JIGSAW because I already own the Carvec but I loved the KSS300 circular saw its really tiny and both the flexible rail and the short spring loaded fit in a systainer! £490   I really wanted it!  I was thinking I cant buy the Lamello Invis kit and Maffel! Well my mate loved the Mafel and bought it with a free blade! It made me want it more so we went out side for a drink and something to eat. Then my mate said I am not letting you go back into the NEC because your not spending any more money! So after talking to him and him telling me not to do it we went home!  It was a lucky escape really! I cant help my self I just keep on buying!!


Oh I had a feel of the CXS at bonny bolts and I must admit the drill feels nice and feels really light and small I kinda liked it.


It was a good show!  I did take my camera to take pictures but I wasnt comfortable to take pictures Sorry!!!  Any way when the Protool Universe and Screw gun arrives ill do a quick little write up on it!  Also asked my mate if I can have a play with the Mafel and take pictures and some videos he said no props so when he gets his ill do a little write up on HERE!

 

Sounds like a good tool show. Ordered a few things from bunny bolts before and there service is always really good. Did you see any other new festools there? New hoovers etc?

Yes saw the new Hoover lol CTL 26  and T-locks  and! T18 which felt pretty heavy but might be because I lifted the CXS just before that.  Also saw the Festool WCR 1000.


JMB

I must agree with Dean!   What stopped me buying the Protool online from him was 2 reasons!  One I dont like the layout on his web site and their is no Info it feels kinda half hearted!  Two! I didnt like the fact he has 3 websites! Protool Festool BunnyBolts  I felt like its a company you could have trouble with like you do with these sister companies where they blame each other and you dont get any where with them seeing him in person has changed my opinion!  

I said I know about his web site and I was going to say I think you should just have one site and put more info on it but then thought I want to try and get the best possible price so I dont really want to pee him off! lol

JMB

who you talking about?!?!

you JMB, just how it reads in my head lol.

I wish i had the sword saw for when i did this  http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/current-job/

gang cutting the rafters would have sped it up alot

Yeah understand what you mean about the website, I ment more in the way of things being delivered pretty quick. Does the sword saw work on a guide rail to or am I thinking of something else?

Yes it sits on the Guide Rail!    and the chain is about 5 mm from the splinter guard so it wont cut the splinter quard so it wont affect the TS55-75

JMB

gang cut all birds mouths with circular saw (hitachi which goes over to 55deg) cost £119inc vat and 1700watt motor.

i mark all the rafters up when clamped up and cut as deep as i can while clamped up then finish off 1 by 1.

That looks amazing!!! Don't do much first fix so couldnt justify it. Or could I lol. What was the new Hoover like in size. Looks big in the pictures I've seen.

Seemed bigger than my CT22 only because I removed my top section I dont need it makes it bigger and bulky! But the CTL26 looking at it its permanently fixed. But being able to remove  the top off completely is very nice much better than the CT22 which is hinged and it has a much larger volume! So when I can convince my self to buy another vacuum I will be buying the CTL26!

JMB

rather have the protool csp132 with the wide housing cutter set. much more useful

http://www.timberwolftools.com/tools/protool/P-CSP132E.html

its the stuff that you can get for it

have you got the wide housing cutter for it?

The Mafel will do 0-60 degree to me seems more usefull.

JMB

but 45 will cover all pitches if you set it to 20degrees it is 70 if run from the opposite side???

anyway. it not much faster than doing it with a circular saw run from each direction and far to big and heavy, and uses to much power

PS
Did you check out the Senco nailers ?

I was there monday lunchtime - if anyone was making any idiot comments it would have been my Brother in Law - he was trying to explain to the German guy on the Mafell stand what a Birmingham Screwdriver was.  The poor guy looked lost!

The new invis is less critical when you line things up and stronger apparently.  I just can't see me using it all that much - Brother in Law said whats wrong with nails 

Richard

Ha Nails!   I was their from 9  to about 1

I was close on buying the the entire Invis kit I loved it  I can see it come in handy alot.   I loved the the bits with the bridge section so you can fix two shelves on one thing panel as the magnet screw goes through the panel.  I have seen it on the internet but thought it cant be very strong but seeing it in person and getting my mate to hold the wood apart while I use the magnet to screw it together was good well he tried but he could NOT hold it apart.  Which for me was good enough proof that is has a good pulling force.    Did you look under the table at Lamelo they had 4 festool drills sitting their I was like I want to use them not this rubbish bosch lol!    I like it as its an instant hold you dont need to clamp things while the glue goes off so you could just use two on an edge then have the rest with Dominos or Dowels put plenty of glue screw it together with the magnet bang your done it strong enough just with the the screws and even stronger with Dominos and when the glue goes of even stronger and no fixing in sight!

JMB

Oh dean! I didnt know protool made this!

http://wwwinet.my-tts.com/Protool/Produktbilder/06_saegen_zimmereimaschinen/jpg_zoom/zoom_06_nrp90_617250_p_01a.jpg

Looks smaller than the Mafel one!


JMB

I think I was talking to Warren! Does he talk really soft (quiet) and slow?!

JMB

JMB, what are you like    I thought i was addicted to tools but it seems you have me licked  

That sword saw looks cool as mince, wonder if festool will do one ?

Woodguy.

Just like the blue & green    Protool is not an option with my dealer, they cant get it.  Protool do cordless drills, festool do cordless drills etc, etc.  Don't see why they couldn't do it !

 

I picked up my delivery to day from the Depot as I was out yesterday and missed the delivery!

I had to call up to arrange for me to pick it up! I used the number on the paper but the system couldnt find me! So I had to go on the internet and find the number of the local Depot my self!   It RANG RANG RANG RANG RANG RANG!  Finaly some one answered!  The phone call was very unprofessional I thought! I said can I pick it up now Friday 5 oclock the woman said to me well umm its kinda messy at night everything is every where so you would have to wait abit till we sorted it out your best coming tomoro at 8-10  I was thinking messy?! Why would it be messy your a delivery service you should have a system!

Any way I have just been to pick it up! I looked all round couldnt find where to go! Saw this door open saw some boxes so went inside.  Just looks like a Farmers SHED with boxes just dumped any how!  And this little old pc in the corner covered with crap just messy.   Any way he said whats up! I said picking up packages!!  He said okay can I have the delivery note! I gave it to him! He then said I have seen your ID if anyone asks! I was like I have it in my pocket you can see it if you want he says no its okay.  Then the phone rang! I had to wait!!!   and Wait!!!   Ofcorse I could hear what he was saying on the phone as I was right next to him!  Well he was saying how this Depot is just a mess he trying to sort it out and how doesnt want to be here at Christmas as its all over the place. I was thinkin umm okay I wont be using INTERLINK for my deliveries!   He then went looking for my boxes I had 4 parcels! One of them is 800 guide rail! Well he just droped one of the boxes on top of the saying this is yours right?!?! I was thinking you should be telling me what boxes are mine!!!!   He picks up another box which was ontop of this other and just pushed it off! It landed on the corner!!!


Any why know systainers are robust! He helped me carry the boxes to my van!  I opened up the raill box to see if it was bend! It was fine! Few

When I got home I opened all boxes! To find!  That the Little systainer the corner is SMASHED!!! The big systainer has had such a hard impact that is has bowed the lid and so it moved over the lip and I can not open the systainer I have tried but I just can not open the lid! IF I force it it will snap something!

I would tell every one not to use INTERLINK! Well not the STOKE area one anyway!   I cant believe it!  

I wanted to have a play with my Portool SWORD but I cant open the lid to get it out of the BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jmb


P.s just taking some picture to show you!


I know its not Bunny Bolts fault he told me I would get it monday so it was a quick delivery so good service! I have tried to call him but he is not open on Saturdays it seems! Bit annoying as I want it sorting now! lol    I will be telling bunny bolts to package better though as this could of been prevented as just sticking a sytainer in a cardbox box the same size of the systainer with out any packaging around the systainer in the box to me is not good enough.   My local dealer does that and thats why my T15 drill box got damaged twice in delivery when it was sent of for repair twice.

but really the delivery services should treat parcels with a lot more care



RCF (rexy cyrstals!)  I never had a damaged systainer form RCF as he uses much larger boxes and puts everything in one box with loads of empty boxes and air bags to make everything secure.








Here are the damaged systainers by INTERLINK

Jmb I do not use bunnys bolts anymore as I have had items arrived damaged.the packaging is always to light. those boxes he uses are just to thin.

Also I have found that if your items are not delivered and return to the depot the chances of damage go through the roof.

 they slide up and down the empty van slaming into bulkheads ect.

you should just force the systainer open if its damaged  it makes no odds Warren will replace it..

hope the saw is ok looking forward to some pictures..

Hi Warren was as good as gold,its just annoying when goods get damaged in transit for no good reason. when I last used Warren he was still using a carrier that did not give you the 1 hour delivery slot, which I find realy usefull saves you waiting all day for a delivery.

push the systainer back in to place and you wil e able to open it. it happened to 1 of mine and just had to push it in to place

There was more to it than delivery issues..But  they don't tell you when goods have been dispatched so you have no idea when its coming or if its sitting in a carriers warehouse and I have found fixy(slingers) service to be unrivaled so I will carry on using them..when you buy of them you get a dispatch conformation and on the day of delivery a hours slot, so you can get some work in...

I knew it!   I knew it!!     I wad thinking Dean just wants it out of the box and get me to show some vids on it he aint bothered about the box! He just wants a review lol!!  Cheeky sod!!!

JMB

YEah the dealer I always use! Has a good delivery service! The delivery guy knows me now! He said another parcel from RCF. Im like YIP more toyes! If im not in he calls my mobile! Asks if its okay to leave it at the front door and im like its fine! The delivery company he uses is much more professional I had to pick up the parcel from the Depot its big clean it has a room to wait while they get your package! If you look through the door everything looks like its organised Not like Interlink I felt like I was on a farm dark messy looked like a tip of parcels lol!


JMB

Jmb it would have been open within 2 mins of landing on my doorstep regardless

what size systainer is it in?

Dura Drive is systainer 2  and the Sword is systainer 5   why?!?!

I know I know I keep lookin at it through the lid lol!

I got it open! I my brother to pull the lid at the same time as I tried to pull the plastic up. It didnt cause any more damage to the box but my fingers got pinched a few times!

give me 10 just to take some pics!  What do you wanna see Dean?!?!?!

JMB

Well first off!  Silly me I should of opened the Protool chain box!  As its in a Oregon bag   Warren (BUNNY BOLTS) told me lol!

Well he called me first thing this morning! Which is very good!  He said I had two options! One sends me a new systainer first then has the hold picked up or has the old picked up 2moro and sends a new one right away but ill be with out a systainer for a bit.  but I found out on the Protool web site that they do a 18V Dura Drive so I asked if I could have the  12V Dura Drive sent back in the systainer and have the 18V Dura drive instead and he said no problem.

So really pleased that the problem was solved quickly!


JMB

low torque high speed is whats needed for drywall screws typically into metal stud work where as i would say the 18v is a tek gun which require higher torque but lower speed

I kinda thought the higher speed was for metal!   Which is good to hear as I am having the 12v 4000 RPM swapped for the 18V 2500 RPM for about 50 quid more should be coming weeks time and I dont work with alot of metal stud.   Just wondered why they lowered it as its the same drill or should I say its made for fixing plasterboard  to studing.     I mainly fix plasterboard to ply and 4x2 softwood some times oak! When its an old house with oak floor beams. Which the 18V should do better.


JMB

So making the decision getting the 18V is the right thing to do right?!?!?!   Will this still screw into metal?! I only done about 10 meters of metal stud in my lift! So you see I dont use it much! It went round two corners the metal stud! We then fixed it with ply first to make it more solid and for fixing units so the platerboard just could be screwed any where ofcorse.


JMB

Yeeeeeeeessssss hhhheeee  dddddoooooeeesssssssss nice chap

Here is the weight difference

10.8V
1.7 kg with battery
1.9 kg Battery and Magazine

18V
1,9 kg With battery
2,1 kg Battery and Magazine

So not much different!

Im well bad for changing subjects! Cant help it! I go on one!

Why dont you go for a small schneider compressor

JMB

What's the prob' Bill

A sander or hammer on a compressor will need 300+ L/Min. So if you intend to use such tools you should look for a bigger compressor.

I use a compressor all the time on site.  I have 2 bostich finish gun's, one a 15 gauge & the other an 18 gauge.  I just don't like the thin nails on the cordless nailers, or are they now doing them with 15 gauge nails ?  I too am looking for the smallest compressor i can get but will still run the 15 gauge.  Sorry for jumping on the hijack JMB.

Carry on 

Woodguy

I use a Sealy 25 litre compressor on jobs all the time with Prebena 16 or 18 gauge nailers. The effort of lifting it on to the job far outweighs the grief a jamming 2nd fix cordless guns.

It is relatively light and will produce 8 bar of pressure enough to fire 38mm stainless steel 16 gauge into oak without any probs at all.

Dont know if that would be sufficient for your needs.

Guy

You thought right. The higher speed is necessary for metal stud - the fact that the torque is lower isn't very important, as any 4000 RPM drywall screwer will have torque to spare for wooden studs.
The higher speed ( and finer thread !! ) for metalstud are needed to puncture the stud before it can be dimpled, creating an art of "built in spring washer" in the stud, leading to erratic depth setting.
You definitely need a high speed screwer for metalstud - for wooden studs both types work, although the lower speed ones are preferred. In wood you need the coarse thread (holds better) and when screwed in at high speed, cheap drywall may get smashed as the head sinks at a very high speed - higher then with the finer thread screws. You may want to use the finer thread screws to prevent this, but you sacrifice a bit in holding power.
Ideally, you need both, but the high speed one is just a tad more universal.

Regards,

Job

Just had a look at that one from Screwfix - does anyone have any idea on the overall dimensions of it? Never did get round to building my compressor-systainer...

hi Jonny, that one is too big for a systainer im afraid you need the senco 1010 and you have to cut a few bits off it for it to fit but I have seen one in a systainer. you can only run small nailers off it though.

i use a 35 gallon bostich compressor i bought with a 1st fix bostitch gun which cost 300 for the pair from dyna tools. Then bought a 16g 18g and 18g stapler for £130 all bostich

did you gang cut your rafters?

that auto mode looks awsome

Dean!!


Protool have brought out another SWORD

It cuts 330!   I thought I would let you know! I dont know if they do a 110v. What you would have to do is get the wood delivered to your house cut them at you place and then take them onto the job haahaa!!  Or get a RCD?!  Or just me and you just go round and kill all the health and safety idiots!

http://www.protool.de/Produkte/Seiten/Produktvergleich.aspx?foc=pt_schwertsaegen_8028


I have looked at the spec!  Its the same as mine 220 soooooo I am assuming I can just buy the bar and remove the knife and replace it with the larger one! I hope so any way! I am going to find out Monday!



Also the Angle Grinder which fits onto the Guide rail  this one : http://special.tts-protool.com/dustfree/index.php?cc=de&lc=de

WELL they sell it with just the case! So I THINK but im not sure! you can fit other angle grinders to the case. The case is only £110 so not that bad its another thing I wanna find out monday!  If so I can buy that and use my angle grinder I already own instead of buying more money on another one (protool one)

Just the case for dust extraction.
http://www.tooltechnic.fi/tuotteet/?product=3790


JMB
http://www.professionaltool.co.uk/new-products