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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 08:56 PM » |
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It looks like a new Blum product.  Pretty cool! Thanks for posting that. Peter |
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 12:30 AM » |
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Wow, that is a seriously compact soft close!  Seth |
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 03:37 AM » |
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the soft close on blum are all intergrated into the 35mm secion of the hinge and can be switched off.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 11:31 AM » |
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I had only seen the add on type units before.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 12:30 PM » |
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The wholesale price is pretty good too, cost less then buying the hinge and the add on soft close mechanism. Seth we started getting them early this year.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 03:41 PM » |
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Can someone post the part number? I was about to bulk order the older hinge w/ soft close mechanism for a job in January. If the wholesale price is lower I gotta spend some more time doing research.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2011, 04:46 PM » |
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Yeah the crown kitchen I fitted the other week had built in Blum soft closers very neat they looked slightly different to those in your picture as these were standard clip on's not face frame ones. You could hardly tell they had soft close built in they look almost the same as standard hinges but with a small on/off switch on the cup of the hinge. http://blumotion.blum.com/cliptop/en/ |
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2011, 04:48 PM » |
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Don't know if the PN is the same in the US but 71B355180 is for a standard 110* hinge for a full overlay door that uses screws in Canada. Check the Richelieu site and see if you can get any where.
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Bill, there are several part numbers. I am going to attach a pdf file, but I have no idea how the forum software likes multiple page pdf's. Peter  blum compact blumotion reduced 3.pdf (1327.26 KB - downloaded 399 times.) Pretty well. I eliminated some pages from the brochure. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 08:10 PM » |
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I've already used these on some 48" tall wall cabinet doors. They work as nicely as the old "plunger" soft close and this is so much cleaner looking. I was never a fan of the old soft close.
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I just finished a kitchen with those new soft close and unlike Tim,I don't think they work very well.
First,the soft action start when the door is about at 45* THEN the "closing" is very slow!
I even turn them to OFF and still had a soft closing.
I video a door to show my boss.I am going to try to post it here to show what i mean.
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 12:07 AM » |
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I tried those a few months ago on a problem job. They worked good on the few smaller doors but not very well at all on bigger, heavier doors. For the bigger doors I got the add-on clips and those worked good. Can't remember though if I used the same hinge or not. I vaguely remember having to do something odd on that job but maybe it was something else. Too many Dead shows many years ago.
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Ran across the first generation Salice integrated soft close hinges a few months ago on an install. While adjusting the cabinet doors, which entails me quickly opening and closing to double check, the mechanisms kept breaking! Then the cabinet rep had the gall to blame me for breaking them...  Needless to say, I dislike the Salice ones... Jon |
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Ran across the first generation Salice integrated soft close hinges a few months ago on an install. While adjusting the cabinet doors, which entails me quickly opening and closing to double check, the mechanisms kept breaking! Then the cabinet rep had the gall to blame me for breaking them... Needless to say, I dislike the Salice ones... Jon Yeah salice are crap! I have worked on a kitchen with the built in soft closers by salice horrible hinges! Jmb |
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 03:46 PM » |
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I just finished a kitchen with those new soft close and unlike Tim,I don't think they work very well.
First,the soft action start when the door is about at 45* THEN the "closing" is very slow!
I even turn them to OFF and still had a soft closing.
I video a door to show my boss.I am going to try to post it here to show what i mean.
If you turn them off then close them the soft close will still work because they need to be closed in order to compress the soft close mechanisim. I use these all the time and once the soft close is turned off there is no way for the door to still close softly. I would like to see the video you took to see what you dislike about the hinges. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2012, 05:25 PM » |
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I just finished a kitchen with those new soft close and unlike Tim,I don't think they work very well.
First,the soft action start when the door is about at 45* THEN the "closing" is very slow!
I even turn them to OFF and still had a soft closing.
I video a door to show my boss.I am going to try to post it here to show what i mean.
If you turn them off then close them the soft close will still work because they need to be closed in order to compress the soft close mechanisim. I use these all the time and once the soft close is turned off there is no way for the door to still close softly. I would like to see the video you took to see what you dislike about the hinges. I tried last night to post the video,but no luck.Maybe someone can help with this. Yes i know about closing the door after i switch off and then open and it should be off at that point.Today,went to another job with the same hinges and tried it.Did the same thing.Even turning them off it still has a soft action. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2012, 05:29 PM » |
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you having trouble uploading the vid onto youtube or posting the youtube link onto FOG?!?!?!?!
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 05:31 PM » |
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I just finished a kitchen with those new soft close and unlike Tim,I don't think they work very well.
First,the soft action start when the door is about at 45* THEN the "closing" is very slow!
I even turn them to OFF and still had a soft closing.
I video a door to show my boss.I am going to try to post it here to show what i mean.
If you turn them off then close them the soft close will still work because they need to be closed in order to compress the soft close mechanisim. I use these all the time and once the soft close is turned off there is no way for the door to still close softly. I would like to see the video you took to see what you dislike about the hinges. I tried last night to post the video,but no luck.Maybe someone can help with this. Yes i know about closing the door after i switch off and then open and it should be off at that point.Today,went to another job with the same hinges and tried it.Did the same thing.Even turning them off it still has a soft action. That is very strange, we are talking about the Blum hinges right  |
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 05:33 PM » |
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I just finished a kitchen with those new soft close and unlike Tim,I don't think they work very well.
First,the soft action start when the door is about at 45* THEN the "closing" is very slow!
I even turn them to OFF and still had a soft closing.
I video a door to show my boss.I am going to try to post it here to show what i mean.
If you turn them off then close them the soft close will still work because they need to be closed in order to compress the soft close mechanisim. I use these all the time and once the soft close is turned off there is no way for the door to still close softly. I would like to see the video you took to see what you dislike about the hinges. I tried last night to post the video,but no luck.Maybe someone can help with this. Yes i know about closing the door after i switch off and then open and it should be off at that point.Today,went to another job with the same hinges and tried it.Did the same thing.Even turning them off it still has a soft action. the blum soft close i use you turn both hinges off then close the door and after that they dont soft close anymore |
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 06:03 PM » |
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I just finished a kitchen with those new soft close and unlike Tim,I don't think they work very well.
First,the soft action start when the door is about at 45* THEN the "closing" is very slow!
I even turn them to OFF and still had a soft closing.
I video a door to show my boss.I am going to try to post it here to show what i mean.
If you turn them off then close them the soft close will still work because they need to be closed in order to compress the soft close mechanisim. I use these all the time and once the soft close is turned off there is no way for the door to still close softly. I would like to see the video you took to see what you dislike about the hinges. I tried last night to post the video,but no luck.Maybe someone can help with this. Yes i know about closing the door after i switch off and then open and it should be off at that point.Today,went to another job with the same hinges and tried it.Did the same thing.Even turning them off it still has a soft action. the blum soft close i use you turn both hinges off then close the door and after that they dont soft close anymore Dean,my boss called Kraftmaid and they also said to turn them off and to do what you describe.But after turning them off(all 3 of them on a door)it still had the soft close action. I am going to try to post the video on youtube and see if it works. |
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 06:06 PM » |
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wel cant say for kraftmaid but the blum hinges work great
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2012, 06:37 PM » |
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Dean,
Kraftmaid is the cabinet CO. The hinges are BLUM.
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Dean, those are not the one that i'm having problem with.
They are the wrap around for face frame.If you click on the link on the OP you will see what hinges i'm talking about.
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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2012, 07:26 PM » |
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Ok,after watching the video that i made,i need to make another one.Because in the video i got so caught up with this problem that i did not show the door closing "after"i turn the action off.So since i have another job starting tomorow,same cabinet Co., same hinges,i will do another video showing what i'm talking about.
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2012, 08:05 PM » |
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Ok i think i got this to work.In this video i did not try to shut the door again but it does shows how slow the soft close is.
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Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off. It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors. You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength. Not switching it off. They dont have that function.
If you watch the OP video LINK you will see what im talking about! It clearly states adjustable switch for heavy or light doors
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2012, 09:34 PM » |
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Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off. It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors. You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength. Not switching it off. They dont have that function.
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That's what i tough too,but if you look very close (can't see in the video)there are 2 symbol I -O I have to assume that it means ON/OFF Also,after talking to Kraftmaid manufacturer,they said that if you switch to O it will turn the soft close off,but like you said,I'm not convinced.I tried every combination all off,all on,1 off 2 on,2 off 1 on and i got the same result.(on a 3 hinged door) Tomorrow i will try to do another video with a different set of cabinets. BTW Does it look like it's kind of slow? |
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2012, 09:36 PM » |
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Okay let's say for discussions sake that on a small cabinet with two hinges even the light setting is "too slow for someone's taste". Could you just use one of the slow closers and a normal hinge? Just wondering?
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