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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2012, 09:38 PM » |
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Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off. It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors. You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength. Not switching it off. They dont have that function.
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That's what i tough too,but if you look very close (can't see in the video)there are 2 symbol I -O I have to assume that it means ON/OFF Also,after talking to Kraftmaid manufacturer,they said that if you switch to O it will turn the soft close off,but like you said,I'm not convinced.I tried every combination all off,all on,1 off 2 on,2 off 1 on and i got the same result.(on a 3 hinged door) Tomorrow i will try to do another video with a different set of cabinets. BTW Does it look like it's kind of slow? I think it seemed slow...but you never said when you were on what setting.... other hinges have heavy and light settings... Does the vender have video of both settings? Cheers, Steve |
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2012, 09:47 PM » |
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Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off. It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors. You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength. Not switching it off. They dont have that function.
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That's what i tough too,but if you look very close (can't see in the video)there are 2 symbol I -O I have to assume that it means ON/OFF Also,after talking to Kraftmaid manufacturer,they said that if you switch to O it will turn the soft close off,but like you said,I'm not convinced.I tried every combination all off,all on,1 off 2 on,2 off 1 on and i got the same result.(on a 3 hinged door) Tomorrow i will try to do another video with a different set of cabinets. BTW Does it look like it's kind of slow? Well I don't know never held one in my hand just going from the video and internet search. About it being slow! Yes! Looks very slow and kicks in very early from what I can gather from your video. They Don't look all tha brilliant to be honest. Jmb |
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mastercabman
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2012, 10:15 PM » |
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Okay let's say for discussions sake that on a small cabinet with two hinges even the light setting is "too slow for someone's taste". Could you just use one of the slow closers and a normal hinge? Just wondering?
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I guess you could but we would have to buy the hinges(without the soft close) Those new hinges comes with the cabinets |
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mastercabman
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2012, 10:21 PM » |
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Mastercabman Thats because them hinges you cant turn them off. It never actually says any where they can be turned of they simply can be switched to heavier or lighter doors. You switching it is just altering the soft closer strength. Not switching it off. They dont have that function.
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That's what i tough too,but if you look very close (can't see in the video)there are 2 symbol I -O I have to assume that it means ON/OFF Also,after talking to Kraftmaid manufacturer,they said that if you switch to O it will turn the soft close off,but like you said,I'm not convinced.I tried every combination all off,all on,1 off 2 on,2 off 1 on and i got the same result.(on a 3 hinged door) Tomorrow i will try to do another video with a different set of cabinets. BTW Does it look like it's kind of slow? I think it seemed slow...but you never said when you were on what setting.... other hinges have heavy and light settings... Does the vender have video of both settings? Cheers, Steve Steve,there was not much difference in the speed in any combination,maybe a little faster when it was all off but nothing like a door shutting with normal hinges Found this http://blum.com/compact/us/technics/damper |
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2012, 10:40 PM » |
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When you slide the little switch to turn off the soft close you have to then fully close the door. Now when you re-open the door you should notice the plunger on the soft close is now inward. The switch just keeps the soft close plunger locked back but you have to fully close the door to push the plunger fully in first. You can't just click the little switch over and have any change happen. It will turn OFF the soft close. You're just a little confused on the brochure because it says it will close faster but still silent close. That's because they are talking about turning off ONE hinge and still having one hinge turned ON. IF you turn them both off you won't have any cushion close and the door will close normally. On a door that size you could probably get by with just one unit turned on. Take another look tomorrow and make sure the plungers stay retracted after fully closing the door. IF not you can probably push the plunger manually back and get them to stay if the switch is off.
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waynelang2001
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2012, 02:43 AM » |
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Im not so sure now about these hinges. The OP video says you can switch between light and heavy use. But then the website says the Blumotion can be deactivated, which to me means it should turn off completely.
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waynelang2001
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2012, 02:49 AM » |
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I also think that 3 hinges on that size door is overkill, and could the problem.
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2012, 03:49 AM » |
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When you slide the little switch to turn off the soft close you have to then fully close the door. Now when you re-open the door you should notice the plunger on the soft close is now inward. The switch just keeps the soft close plunger locked back but you have to fully close the door to push the plunger fully in first. You can't just click the little switch over and have any change happen. It will turn OFF the soft close. You're just a little confused on the brochure because it says it will close faster but still silent close. That's because they are talking about turning off ONE hinge and still having one hinge turned ON. IF you turn them both off you won't have any cushion close and the door will close normally. On a door that size you could probably get by with just one unit turned on. Take another look tomorrow and make sure the plungers stay retracted after fully closing the door. IF not you can probably push the plunger manually back and get them to stay if the switch is off.
You are talking about the other Blum built in soft closers they have a different soft close mechanism and require you to close the door once you flicked the of switch to turn the soft closer. You can see in the video the ones your talking about has a moving lever which gets locked back to turn the soft closer OFF. But these new built in soft closers posted by the OP are very different If you look at the soft close mechanism they don't work in the same way to the ones your talking about. Jmb |
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2012, 05:22 AM » |
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Are you sure that the soft-close-system is giving you problems? If you have three hinges that are not perfectly in line you get an effect where the door closes very slow and somtimes doesn't close completly. Maybe you should try to remove the middle hinge to verify. Furthermore you have to make sure that the doorrs are ±2mm in front of the cabinets. If they are stuck against the frame than you can also get the problem you described.
I don't know how many experience you have using this type of hinges, and hope I'm not offending you with these, to an experienced person, very evident remarks.
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mastercabman
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2012, 07:55 AM » |
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Are you sure that the soft-close-system is giving you problems? If you have three hinges that are not perfectly in line you get an effect where the door closes very slow and somtimes doesn't close completly. Maybe you should try to remove the middle hinge to verify. Furthermore you have to make sure that the doorrs are ±2mm in front of the cabinets. If they are stuck against the frame than you can also get the problem you described.
I don't know how many experience you have using this type of hinges, and hope I'm not offending you with these, to an experienced person, very evident remarks.
That is a good point.I am going to a new job today and will make another video.This time i will close and open and reclose the door to make sure it is off and see what happens.I also will try to remove the middle hinge and see if that does anything different. This is the first set of cabinets with those new hinges that i'm dealling with,but i'm not new to the "soft close technology"  |
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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2012, 08:21 AM » |
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Are you sure that the soft-close-system is giving you problems? If you have three hinges that are not perfectly in line you get an effect where the door closes very slow and somtimes doesn't close completly. Maybe you should try to remove the middle hinge to verify. Furthermore you have to make sure that the doorrs are ±2mm in front of the cabinets. If they are stuck against the frame than you can also get the problem you described.
I don't know how many experience you have using this type of hinges, and hope I'm not offending you with these, to an experienced person, very evident remarks.
That is a good point.I am going to a new job today and will make another video.This time i will close and open and reclose the door to make sure it is off and see what happens.I also will try to remove the middle hinge and see if that does anything different. This is the first set of cabinets with those new hinges that i'm dealling with,but i'm not new to the "soft close technology" when you take the middle hinge off just try to open an close it while you change the switch, that should show weather or not the indeed can be switched off completely |
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2012, 08:25 PM » |
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Got to the other kitchen today but did not have time to video.Tried the soft close and seem a little better.
I tried switching off,shutting door reopen then close again and it still had a soft close action.Not as bad but still slowed down.
I guess i am so used to the other device that it look like it's not working smooth.But they do kick early,about 45* and shutting really slow.
I will try again tomorrow to video it.
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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2012, 02:27 AM » |
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Got to the other kitchen today but did not have time to video.Tried the soft close and seem a little better.
I tried switching off,shutting door reopen then close again and it still had a soft close action.Not as bad but still slowed down.
I guess i am so used to the other device that it look like it's not working smooth.But they do kick early,about 45* and shutting really slow.
I will try again tomorrow to video it.
mastercabman, Do yourself a favour and take the hinge off and try opening and closing it on different setting, see what the action is like when it is off the cabinet. If it still closer slower on both settings then you will have your answer. If it has no soft close action on the 0 setting then I would say the hinges are not adjusted right on the cabinet. |
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« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2012, 07:53 PM » |
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They work exactly like I stated in an earlier post. Maybe you are not switching them off all the way or I guess, (unlikely) you may have some defective hinges. You should be able to see in the attached pictures the plunger in when off and out when on. There is no effective cushioned closing when properly switched off.
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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2012, 08:33 PM » |
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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2012, 09:40 PM » |
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ccmviking,i did exactly what you did and it did not "snap" shut like that,and yes i shut it and reopen and shut it a few time and still had somewhat of a soft close.The kitchen that i just work on was better with the soft close.I turn 2 out of 3 hinges off and it was pretty smooth,but if i turn them all off,there was still a little soft at the end.  I was too busy today to make a video.I will try again on monday as i am starting a new kitchen with the same hinges. |
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« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2012, 03:08 AM » |
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ccmviking,i did exactly what you did and it did not "snap" shut like that,and yes i shut it and reopen and shut it a few time and still had somewhat of a soft close.The kitchen that i just work on was better with the soft close.I turn 2 out of 3 hinges off and it was pretty smooth,but if i turn them all off,there was still a little soft at the end. I was too busy today to make a video.I will try again on monday as i am starting a new kitchen with the same hinges. did you take the hinge off and try it I think we all really want to see a video of the hinge off the cabinet and door and still soft closing when its off. |
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2012, 06:45 PM » |
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OK here's a video with the hinge taking off. This set of cabinets are much better with the soft close. But as you will see in the video,you can't 100% turn the soft close action off.
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2012, 03:36 AM » |
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I don't get why this depate is still going on. I said before and the video clearly states it. It does NOT have turn of function only a switch for heavy and light dirty doors meaning it only can be switched between a soft soft closer or a strong soft closer
I dnt know why you have been asked to remove hinge check the door with two hinges instead of three. Check if the hinges are fitted correctly. Try the hinge on its own etc...
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« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2012, 04:40 AM » |
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I don't get why this depate is still going on. I said before and the video clearly states it. It does NOT have turn of function only a switch for heavy and light dirty doors meaning it only can be switched between a soft soft closer or a strong soft closer
I dnt know why you have been asked to remove hinge check the door with two hinges instead of three. Check if the hinges are fitted correctly. Try the hinge on its own etc...
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The Blum website clearly states that the soft close can be switched off. I think in the video they show that you can switch off one hinge on a lighter door to make the soft close function a little less heavy duty. |
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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2012, 04:46 AM » |
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OK here's a video with the hinge taking off. This set of cabinets are much better with the soft close. But as you will see in the video,you can't 100% turn the soft close action off. Untitledare these actually blum hinges then ? Because ccmviking's video's show that it can be turned off. |
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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2012, 07:29 AM » |
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I don't get why this depate is still going on. I said before and the video clearly states it. It does NOT have turn of function only a switch for heavy and light dirty doors meaning it only can be switched between a soft soft closer or a strong soft closer
I dnt know why you have been asked to remove hinge check the door with two hinges instead of three. Check if the hinges are fitted correctly. Try the hinge on its own etc...
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JMB Their website clearly state that you can turn them off. http://blum.com/compact/us/technics/damperOn some doors,after turning all hinges off,the door still close very slowly,VERY SLOW. Did you watch the video from ccmviking? In the off position the hinge "snaps" shut,in my video it has a little soft close at the end. |
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« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2012, 08:27 AM » |
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I don't get why this depate is still going on. I said before and the video clearly states it. It does NOT have turn of function only a switch for heavy and light dirty doors meaning it only can be switched between a soft soft closer or a strong soft closer
I dnt know why you have been asked to remove hinge check the door with two hinges instead of three. Check if the hinges are fitted correctly. Try the hinge on its own etc...
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JMB Their website clearly state that you can turn them off. http://blum.com/compact/us/technics/damperOn some doors,after turning all hinges off,the door still close very slowly,VERY SLOW. Did you watch the video from ccmviking? In the off position the hinge "snaps" shut,in my video it has a little soft close at the end. I think you need to speak to your supplier on this one now mastercabman. It there must be some explanation why your hinges act that way. The only other thing I would suggest if you havnt done it already, is to open the hinge, turn it off, then try to press the soft close mechanism closed with your finger or something. Maybe the mechanism isnt being closed enough when you just close the hinge to turn it off. I know from other integrated blumotion hinges that the soft close work like a ratchet when you turn it off. |
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« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2012, 03:15 PM » |
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I don't get why this depate is still going on. I said before and the video clearly states it. It does NOT have turn of function only a switch for heavy and light dirty doors meaning it only can be switched between a soft soft closer or a strong soft closer
I dnt know why you have been asked to remove hinge check the door with two hinges instead of three. Check if the hinges are fitted correctly. Try the hinge on its own etc...
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JMB Their website clearly state that you can turn them off. http://blum.com/compact/us/technics/damperOn some doors,after turning all hinges off,the door still close very slowly,VERY SLOW. Did you watch the video from ccmviking? In the off position the hinge "snaps" shut,in my video it has a little soft close at the end. No I didn't missed it on my iPad videos don't show up only when you click on it. I see ccmvikings hinges snap shut. Only thing I can think of their must be two types of the same hinges. Like you said the web site clearly states deactivation of soft close and ccmvikings hinges show that. . The video clearly states it can be switched from Strong to weak soft close and your hinges clearly show that. So I'm going for the assumption their are two sorts. You have the the weak/strong soft closers ones and ccmvikings has the on and off soft closers. Simples!! Best way to find out is contact Blum! They are good at replying I contacted them and got an email back pretty quick not so long ago. |
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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2012, 06:04 PM » |
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wayne/jmb thanks.I will try to get in touch with Blum.Maybe it is what it is and i just have to work with it.
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« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2012, 06:32 PM » |
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wayne/jmb thanks.I will try to get in touch with Blum.Maybe it is what it is and i just have to work with it.
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