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Ken,
I have never sold a tool. I gave them away to charity in the contest thread back in the spring. I am in a metamorphosis stage whereas after this week I am working alone again, My helper L is leaving for CA until September - with my whole hearted blessing. He is one heck of a guy and this is an opportunity for him that I wish that I had.
The fuel costs in relationship to income are again getting really warped and I need to change my attitude from having everything available at anytime to what is reasonable. I love my Festools and systainers, but transporting 25+ systainers everyday and then tons of other stuff has to change.
Change is good. Until you find you left something at home that you needed.
Peter
 , but hopefully it's not your extra set of keys you need. Just once, I drove an hour to a job, got out of my truck while running, closed the door and realized, uh oh. I hit the auto locks while getting out.  Coat hanger, anyone? |
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2011, 08:53 PM » |
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Ken,
Happened to me on my second day of construction in 1983. In a snowstorm. I can relate. I also locked my keys in my trailer and luckily had a grinder in my pickup to cut the padlocks.
Stuff happens I guess.
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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i have left my car keys a few times in the trailer.
nothing a grinder or bolt cutters cant fix....
i like the look of the new volkswagen pick up trucks.
i would only buy the diesel model.
anybody out there own one yet?
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Meh, I don't care what gas costs, my Suburban with the 454 sure is fun to drive. Oh, I can fit 4x8's in the back and close the rear doors.
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i like the look of the new volkswagen pick up trucks.
i would only buy the diesel model.
anybody out there own one yet?
justin.
I like the look. The name, Amorak sounds like a jumper you love. Plenty of rain in the winter here, I need more cover for my stuff. But if it has the same power as the Vans, it'll be great. It would certainly be comfortable. |
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Well I read Ford Fiestas and focus are becoming alot more propular in the USA due to the fuel prices going up and these smaller european cars have far better fuel economy you lot across the pond are finally becoming more sensible on fuel consumption and more environmental friendly about time!  So you props be seeing more of our vans aswell Jmb I lived in Ireland for a year back in the 2000s and drove a Ford Focus over 18,000 miles and loved it. It had some power and a great suspension .... the US version was a dog the same model year. The US version had a marshmallow suspension the would not have stayed on a Irish highly crowned road. It seems that the US auto industry just wants to build vehicles that old people will not spill their coffee in and can run over things and not know they killed the neighbors Great Dane. The commercial vehicles in the US are very limited. IMHO Cheers, Steve I use to have a focus ST and it was a lovely car to drive fast never had any problems with it. I'm definitely be getting another ford again unless I can afford an Audi then I'll go for Audi instead. Jmb |
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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2011, 07:08 AM » |
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i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too
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i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too
I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol! Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials RWD for doing Donuts hey Dean? |
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i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too
I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol! Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials RWD for doing Donuts hey Dean? just like the way it handles really. got used to no under steer when i push it, oh and the oh @*&% moments when it oversteers. |
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i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too
I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol! Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials RWD for doing Donuts hey Dean? I know joiners who just use a car, some people cant afford a car and a van..... John.. |
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i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too
I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol! Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials RWD for doing Donuts hey Dean? I know joiners who just use a car, some people cant afford a car and a van.....John.. John, I am sure a lot of us do, mate. They tend to be the guys who have got wife, kids, mortgage and bills to pay to keep a family going rather than a lot of disposable income.  |
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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2011, 02:45 PM » |
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i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too
I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol! Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials RWD for doing Donuts hey Dean? I know joiners who just use a car, some people cant afford a car and a van.....John.. John, I am sure a lot of us do, mate. They tend to be the guys who have got wife, kids, mortgage and bills to pay to keep a family going rather than a lot of disposable income. i got all that and a van and car. There is no way i could fit everything i need in a car |
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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2011, 02:58 PM » |
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Dean
I dare say you have and well done you!
I think the issue is that some guys have encountered circumstances, redunancy, divorce or other such financially devasting events in their lifetime and so perhaps have to operate on a financial plan that is a lot less generous than say if for instance you lived at home with your parents and had no such commitments.
To judge a tradesmans skill level on the basis of whether or not he drives a van just seems a little fatuous!
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« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2011, 03:07 PM » |
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Dean
I dare say you have and well done you!
I think the issue is that some guys have encountered circumstances, redunancy, divorce or other such financially devasting events in their lifetime and so perhaps have to operate on a financial plan that is a lot less generous than say if for instance you lived at home with your parents and had no such commitments.
To judge a tradesmans skill level on the basis of whether or not he drives a van just seems a little fatuous!
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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2011, 03:16 PM » |
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When I started out I just had a van,
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When I started out I just had a van,
I had to work really hard to get the rest.
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Not just vehicles When i lived with my parents i built a wooden shed in the back garden of their council house. You wouldn't believe the stuff i made in that small shed, windows for a nightclub, windows for a boat, doors, cabinets ect. My point is you manage with what you have got & try to build up to bigger & better things. If i had to go back to that small shed i would happily start again. I managed to get an old Astra van with seats in the back that folded down. Happy days  |
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Well you say all that but I only have a Van at the moment cus cnt afford car and a van but I could do what the other joiners do and just have a car and no van but seen as I need to make money and a car does not make me money I think its more important to have a van than a car. So you say people can not afford both okay but then jst have a van then you can go out and earn more money and buy a car like Windmill said. I made a choice and sold my car to get a van as I just couldn't carry all the tools I needed in my car soon as I finished my apprenticeship.
I still believe car joiners are often not very good joiners mainly because they obviously dont seem to be motivated to better them selfs. As I see it get a van do good work get more do more then get a car with your profits. All a car does is cost you money! It doesn't give a good impression turning up as a joiner in a car with a lack of tools.
As I have met many and they all have been umm not very good either lazy or just well not really joiners they claim to be but they aint. I was working with this joiner who had a car all he kept turning up with was a level hand saw drill and bag of handtools. Well I kept on telling him what he needed to do and checking his work! I was 22 he was 55! What is that about he should be telling me what to do! I got the feeling he must of always been a second joiner so he was good for shouting measurements at and he cut the wood for you and bring it to you.
I was using all my tools all the time in the end I got fed up and decided to worm my way out working with him cus I thought thats how he always got by working with companies by working with another joiner. Any way about week later he got sacked cus the forman soon realised he was no good! I was keeping above water!! I cant believe you can do a good job with just a car as you cant carry all the tools you need to get the job done at a high standard and quick. OKay you can go all old school and do a good job but it will be slow and you wont make money.
Even if its a little fatuous so be it thats what I think
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i 100% agree with you jmb
i had a car and a track car/ got rid of my daily car for a small kangoo, when i out grew it so sold that and my track car to buy a bigger van, so now i just have the van
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Oh oh im so glad i came accross this thread! Im in the market for a new van as my t4 is great but i need something newer, im looking at the dare i say it hyundai iload, has a 5 yr warranty,170 horses,aircon, leccy winduz, i test drove one last week and i like it, ive been looking at t5s but everyone i know has had issues with them and dropped big bucks on repairs, i think my minds made up, has anyone else got the hyundai if not check it out its a sexy looking van! Jmb ill send you a pic of my audi i sold last year was a dream but couldnt afford it when the work dried up  |
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So you got the poor guy sacked  The problem with a lot of families is if you have more than 1 kid then a van is no use. I have 2 boys so there is no way we all can travel together in my Renault Traffic. Things are not always black & white I'm afraid. |
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
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To cut a long story short, when i got rid of my audi and my van was in for repair i drove my missus £500 punto to work and got my festo gear out the back of that, would you think less of me then jmb? Lol
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So you got the poor guy sacked The problem with a lot of families is if you have more than 1 kid then a van is no use. I have 2 boys so there is no way we all can travel together in my Renault Traffic. Things are not always black & white I'm afraid. No I agree der are exceptions of course but you can get Vans which have 3 seat in the front so 2 kids is no problem! So your 2 boys will easily fit I think your new van has 3 seats no? I know I didnt want to but! I did say to him you need to bring in your chop saw or your circular saw but he just didnt he said ill use my hand saw. I said but its slower! He just said well I dont get paid more for using my power tools. Thats when I got angry and wormed my way out of working with him by going of and doing job which just requires one person or if a electrician needed help getting flooring up or plumbers I would go and do it for them so he would be left on the main job on his own and then slowly I ended getting the jobs on my own. As normally the Forman would say you and Steve do this he just said can you do this and then he would go and say to steve you do this. I then ended up with another joiner as you all know a lot of jobs requires two like roofing and flooring. Then the forman came to me and ask if I would give Steve a hand I was like Dam IT! Then the forman said dont worry hes been told hes only got a week left. I kinda felt bad but it aint my fault! JMB |
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why not woodguy? plenty of people get around with no car at all. guess it depends where you live, but there is not many time we need to go out as a family unit where we couldnt just walk, bus or train it if we didnt have a car
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Dan
The Iload has had some good write ups. Don't know what it will be worth when you come to trade in, in the future.
I have a New shape T5 lwb 130 bhp, love it not had any problems in the last 12 months.
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To cut a long story short, when i got rid of my audi and my van was in for repair i drove my missus £500 punto to work and got my festo gear out the back of that, would you think less of me then jmb? Lol
Haahaaa! lol If you read what I wrote above I said exceptions if your van is for repair or something so I would ask you, you would say its in for repair! I would then say yeah your alrite then lol! but cus you got your Festo out I would properly say you need to get the new Festool stuff lol! JMB |
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Oh oh im so glad i came accross this thread! Im in the market for a new van as my t4 is great but i need something newer, im looking at the dare i say it hyundai iload, has a 5 yr warranty,170 horses,aircon, leccy winduz, i test drove one last week and i like it, ive been looking at t5s but everyone i know has had issues with them and dropped big bucks on repairs, i think my minds made up, has anyone else got the hyundai if not check it out its a sexy looking van! Jmb ill send you a pic of my audi i sold last year was a dream but couldnt afford it when the work dried up Is it bang Tidy? Is it on your facebook? Cus I got a crappy phone! JMB |
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why not woodguy? plenty of people get around with no car at all. guess it depends where you live, but there is not many time we need to go out as a family unit where we couldnt just walk, bus or train it if we didnt have a car
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