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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2017, 06:26 PM »
I have to give full credit to my gunsmith on one thing (others, too, but this was most applicable here).  He said that there are days when it seems that little, if anything, is going right.  When he's having one of those "out of balance days", he just shuts down and goes home rather than mess up a customer's weapon.  I've adopted that thinking. 
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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2017, 08:39 PM »
I have to give full credit to my gunsmith on one thing (others, too, but this was most applicable here).  He said that there are days when it seems that little, if anything, is going right.  When he's having one of those "out of balance days", he just shuts down and goes home rather than mess up a customer's weapon.  I've adopted that thinking.

I was a mason contractor for many moons.  I loved doing stonework and was fortunate to land many bragging right jobs. Some days, every stone found a place almost immediately.  I would be on a roll and did not want to quit.  There were times, tho, when I just could not see how anything was going to fit. Those days, I would just take a walk in the woods to clear my head. If the walk in the woods did not work, i just quit for the day and either went to another job or home.  I did not fight the feeling.  When I returned, the same stones were in the pile, but they all seemed to jump into place.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2017, 08:52 PM »
Ron,

From personal experience please don't push yourself to "get back in the saddle".  If you are uneasy, just walk away.

In 2003 I fell off of a two story roof onto a set of steps leading to deck.  I walked away sore after picking up my tools and ladders.  It took me far longer than a year before I could get onto a roof again. 

What is right for you is right for you in time.

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2017, 10:21 PM »
I like what I see in Cheese's photos: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/kapex-blade-guard-stuck/msg520984/?topicseen#msg520984   Dual clamps!

Dual clamps, but NOT used at the same time...that's the most important element. Dual clamps used at the same time capture an off-cut, provide no escape route and will ensure a catastrophic problem.

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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2017, 10:32 PM »
I have to give full credit to my gunsmith on one thing (others, too, but this was most applicable here).  He said that there are days when it seems that little, if anything, is going right.  When he's having one of those "out of balance days", he just shuts down and goes home rather than mess up a customer's weapon.  I've adopted that thinking.

Ya, a friend of mine loves to say in French, there's a time to make things happen and there's a time to let things happen.

It's so true...forcing an issue just doesn't work, but when the synergy is right, the success is inevitable.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2017, 11:24 PM »
I like what I see in Cheese's photos: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/kapex-blade-guard-stuck/msg520984/?topicseen#msg520984   Dual clamps!

Dual clamps, but NOT used at the same time...that's the most important element. Dual clamps used at the same time capture an off-cut, provide no escape route and will ensure a catastrophic problem.

By dual clamps, I meant the convenience you have of a hold-down clamp on either side of the blade. Sometimes, when I make angle cuts, I have to switch back and forth the stock on the opposite side of the blade and repositioning the clamp after each cut is not fun.

Are there any more affordable third-party hold-down clamps for the Kapex?

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« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2017, 11:58 PM »
By dual clamps, I meant the convenience you have of a hold-down clamp on either side of the blade.

Ya, I understand your statement completely, I spent the extra $$ for the second hold down strictly because of convenience. I don't like to spend money more than anyone else does, however convenience plays a huge part in my expenditures. 40 years ago, I had more time than money, 40 years hence I now have more money (that's relative) than time.

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2017, 06:48 AM »
Ron,

From personal experience please don't push yourself to "get back in the saddle".  If you are uneasy, just walk away.

In 2003 I fell off of a two story roof onto a set of steps leading to deck.  I walked away sore after picking up my tools and ladders.  It took me far longer than a year before I could get onto a roof again. 

What is right for you is right for you in time.

Peter

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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2017, 12:46 PM »
I feel good about getting on the bike again. After talking to a lot of people here, other sites, that finishing class I took, the majority of them have had injuries.

What I am kicking myself over is I just remembered a different technique/set up that I could of used the TS 55 and guide rail to do the same cut and I wouldnt of had the accident.

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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2017, 08:22 PM »
I feel good about getting on the bike again. After talking to a lot of people here, other sites, that finishing class I took, the majority of them have had injuries.

What I am kicking myself over is I just remembered a different technique/set up that I could of used the TS 55 and guide rail to do the same cut and I wouldnt of had the accident.

 Live and learn...

Oh, and if we had some ham, we could make ham sandwiches.
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2017, 01:03 PM »
Well I thought Id give a update. The finger is healing fine. Looks almost normal now once the nail covers the flat spot. Been working in the shop getting my confidence back with the tools. I was using my table saw the other day for the first since the accident. So everything is good now. I was very lucky. It could of been a heck of alot worse.
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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2017, 05:21 PM »
Good to hear.  I've only had one major kickback incident on my table saw -- this was before I installed the Jessem stock guides -- but it scared the bejeezus out of me.  Bent the saw plate and the metal insert.  Fortunately the flying board missed my head.  It happens in an instant before you even realize what's going on.

But yeah, it took a week or two to get over the fear of putting a board on the saw...

Well I thought Id give a update. The finger is healing fine. Looks almost normal now once the nail covers the flat spot. Been working in the shop getting my confidence back with the tools. I was using my table saw the other day for the first since the accident. So everything is good now. I was very lucky. It could of been a heck of alot worse.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2017, 03:00 PM »
my salute to all of you for sharing your experience and preventive steps!
I like Peter Parfitt's idea of sharing little bite size video clips.

The points made about cooling it when things don'e seem to go or feel right: BINGO! right on - really works.

The point about distractions or change in the routine should set off an automatic alarm in our brain.

thanks for the refreshers - sorry it was prompted by unfortunate reminders.
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« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2017, 04:04 AM »
I have not worked in my shop for over a year.  Partly becase of my heart attack in August of last year.  Mostly because among other problems, I developed carpel tunnel in my left wrist and my thumb and first two fingers on the left hand are numb. Partly from spending a whole lot of my off time editing all of my stories that I have written.  The pecking away on the keyboard just exacerbates the wrist problem.  I find it almost impossible to pick up small items and when i try to work on my outdoor equipment, I am constantly dropping screws and nuts and bolts.  I am finally able to hang onto small items inspite of the numbness.  The last couple of months, i have slowly gotten back into the shop and have started working on some christmas gifts.  I have not actually worked on my table saw, but i am using a method developed many moons ago (even further back than when I turned 39).  Whenever I get a new tool, or use a machine that I have not used for a long while, I go thru a series of "dry runs" by going thru the motions with the machine unplugged.  Even tho I have been doing my cutting with my TS 55 over the guide rail, I know I will use my table saw (portable DW) eventually.  Every time I work in my shop, I go thru all the motions of cutting with my table saw.  I even use my push sticks to feed small stock thru between blade and fence. I have always been uneasy about using that small saw as my fingers are never far from the blade.  I am getting used to working with the saw without the noise.  eventually, there will be the noise, but I will have programmed my actions to work safely.
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« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2017, 04:46 AM »
I was thinking about another action as I was typing my last post above.  Even before i turned 38, in fact, even before I turned 20, and that was waaay back, i was in the Boy Scouts.  I loved camping and other activities.  When i finally dropped out, i still continued with hiking and camping in all sorts of weather.  I was asked by the scout leader to take a crew of young scouts out to a clearing job.  There was an elderly couple in town, actually out of town and in a wooded area of town, who were wanting to sell their home.  The property was over-run with underbrush and weeds so the Scouts volunteered to cleanup the property. I was experienced with hand tools needed and also had a good collection, soooo, I was sort of volunteered to lead a small crew. 

We were using all tools powered with hickory booms and armstrong power.  No noise and no smoke.  Among my collection of tools was an old scythe that I used often. It was razor sharpe.  I showed the boys how to use the tool, as I did with each tool used.  I also instructed all of them on safety measures to take with each tool, including instructions for standing back from the operators of any cutting tool.  My scythe was a tool that not one of the boys had ever used.  Most had never seen one in action.  I showed how to swing the tool with a smooth rhythmic motion instead of a chopping motion.  There was only one boy who seemed to catch on, so i decided to be the only one to use the tool.  Eventually, I needed to "whet the edge" and demonstrated how to do it. 

I had learned how to use the scythe from my uncle who, like me, was left handed.  He had been borne with partial paralysis in his high side and there were certain things he could not do right handed. A scythe is designed to e used right handed.  That he could do.  I could copy his swing.  Whetting (sharpening) ws always done with the stone held in the right hand and sliding along the entire length of the blade alternating from side to side.  Since my uncle could not use his right hand for the motion required, e always sharpened using his left hand. since i was left handed, and almost never used my right hand for much of anything, he showed me the method he used.  I don't recommend such practice, as it is extremely dangerous.  It exposes the entire back of the left hand to the shop blade for the entire length of the blade with every stroke.  I decided to show the boys how to sharpen the right handed way which was the only safe way to do the job.

I showed them how to hold and support he scythe.  I showed them how to hold the stone.  I went thru the motions very slowly.  I did not allow any of the boys to practice.  I figured they would never use a scythe again after that day, so there was no need to put them in danger.  After going thru the motions very slowly, it was time for real action.  I positioned myself and took the first swipe down the blade.  OOPS!  With the real activity, i had allowed my hub to be held straight up.  I still can see the scar.

That day, I showed the boys a lesson in emergency first aid.  i showed them how to make a "dumb-bell" with adhesive tape to hold two sides of a deep cut together as if it might be held with stitches.  With the first aid treatment, i was able to continue thru the day until we finished the job. I have used the scythe several times thu the years since that day, BUT, i have never sharpened (whetted) the blade by using "the safe" right handed right handed method.  Always the "dangerous" method i was taught "way back when".  It is safer >>> for me.
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« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2017, 07:04 AM »
I used to think that using a router table was just inherently safer than hand routing.  A few years ago I was routing a relatively small piece (1x10x1/4) for a table that was going to be a Christmas present for my wife.  Without thinking I did a small climb cut and the piece caught and dragged my left index finger into the router bit.  It just mangled the tip of my finger and did not hit bone, but imagine seven equally spaced cuts about 1/16" apart from one another and 1/4" deep.  No way to stitch it up.  Took a long time to heal and then it grew a weird little flap of skin that had to be removed.  All told it was about six months before it was back to the point where I could use it without being too distracted by it, and it still tingles as a reminder.  It was another three years before I finished that table, but I figured I had to re-do the ruined piece as part of the process, so that I would stop avoiding the router.  When I finally got around to it, it took me an hour to think through the operation to make sure I was doing it safely, quit procrastinating, and make the cut..  It taught me to be more careful and I now have a mental checklist for the router table that includes thinking a lot more about the dynamics of each cut and using a lot more jigs.

My wife did get her table, just three years late.  She was very patient, except for the part where she had to drive me to the emergency room.
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2017, 07:46 AM »
@Tinker
Ask your doc about getting the carpal tunnel fixed. It's not a particularly invasive procedure. I know that it made a world of difference for my wife's quality of life when she got hers taken care of.

Years of keyboarding caused hers.

Ron

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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2017, 07:57 AM »
I had bumped a raised planter bed with my mower.  I told the customer I would make the repair.  The legs were of 4x4 cedar but with very shallow sliding DT to hold the sides together.  I did not want to use my router in the wood that had been impregnated with dirt and fertilizer for a few years. I decided to just build a new planter and keep the old wood for my own projects.  The first step, after cutting 4x4 (NEW) cedar to length was to plough out sliding DT.  I had done theem before with 1x lumber with no problems by making a jig for my hand held router.  No problem GI.  This was going to be easy.  I ran the bit into the wood with no problem.  At the end of the cut, I could not raise the wood from the the table.  I was doing this on my router table.  I just pulled the wood very carefully back towards me.  As the end of the wood cleared th bit, i felt a slight tingling on my finger tip. the tingling looked a whole lot worse than it felt. It seems that with all my precautions I have spoken about in my previous post, I had not thought about pulling the wood back towards me.  I had cupped my hand over the far end of the wood with my fingers taking full advantage of the wood's thickness.  A few stitches later and I was good to go back to work and a little bit wiser. The planter came out a whole lot stronger than the original and is still standing, but is now growing only weeds.  The youngster that was growing flowers and veggies lost interest, but I have not forgotten my lesson.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #48 on: October 15, 2017, 09:00 PM »
I had to rip a few bits today using the table saw. I was very careful this time and took my time both setting up an cutting. I learned my lesson.

The finger is looking good. Almost healed, still a little tender. Lesson well learned
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