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Offline jobsworth

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Public Service Announcement
« on: September 04, 2017, 07:48 PM »
Guys please becareful, safe and work safely. Today I cut the tip of my finger off using the table saw. I cant tell you what happened which means I wasnt paying attention. The only thing I can tell you , Please use my mistake as a learning lesson. Ive been woodworking for 22 years, this is the first real injury Ive had.
Ive been lucky worked 10 years in the shipyards as a marine machinery mechanic and 22 years woodworking, but one little mistake and well as we used to say in the yards, Machines have no conscious, they'll cut ya and keep on going.

Please be safe and work safely
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Offline Mikeoutrage

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2017, 08:22 PM »
Sorry to hear about your injury. I do some crazy things at times. We all need to slow down.

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 09:44 PM »
Sorry to hear this. I know something we all need to guard against all the time.
I have 3 nine-fingered friends, every one of them the victim of an encounter
with a table saw.

That's why I came up with this signature line over 12 years ago, you find in it
all my posts on whatever forum I belong to.

"It's a table saw, do you know where your fingers are?"
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It's a table saw, do you know where your fingers are?

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 10:42 PM »
I kick myself for not respecting the tool. Like Tom told me this will definitely make me more careful now.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2017, 06:43 AM »
Hope that you heal well and quickly and that this incident doesn't simian your passion.

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2017, 07:50 AM »
Truthfuly It has made me a it gun shy, As soon as I can I need to get back on the bicycle. I am going to give it a shot today, playing with the domino  and  some of things.

I just wanted evenyone to learn from my experience, always remember the safety aspect of woodworking.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2017, 10:38 AM »
Hope you heal quickly (in mind as well) I passed my thumb over the TS blade 10 yrs ago got lucky but it doesn't bend as good now...I picked up the portable, SawStop awhile ago, and dont break it out because I have a smaller one and it's easier/lighter and I think you've reminded me to start using it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2017, 09:54 PM »
Thanks for sharing your unfortunate experience jobsworth.

My one friend who took the tip of his thumb off got a power
feeder for his TS so he could keep his hands clear.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2017, 12:03 AM »
Thank you for this Thread and best wishes as you continue to regain confidence in using your tools.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2017, 12:45 AM »
Sorry to hear of your accident. I had an incident last year with my jigsaw - by my wrist - took 10 or so stitches and a nasty scar to serve as a reminder. Amazing how quickly it happens. I wish you a speedy recovery.

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 01:53 PM »
Ron very kindly sent me a picture of his finger - or rather what is left of it. I have seen worse accidents but nonetheless feel for Ron as it is a terrible thing to go through. I understand he is having to find new ways to pick his nose !

Get well soon Ron and take care.

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 01:59 PM »
Really sorry to hear your news; get well soon.

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2017, 04:41 PM »
 
 Yep, it only takes a second of inattention for an accident to occur, but for sure it could have been worse. Not exactly a proper welcome home. Feel better soon, Ron.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2017, 05:28 PM »
Work accidents are no joke, time for us all to check up on our safe working procedures.

I don't know how much of the tip of a finger is gone now Ron but hope it doesn't unduly impede your usage. Get it healing well, and try and look on the bright side, as it could have been worse.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2017, 08:26 PM »
Sorry about your accident, Ron. It doesn't even take a tenth of a second to happen. A whole lot longer to heal.
Hope it doesn't hamper you after the healing.

I like @Bob D's sigature >>> "It's a table saw, do you know where your fingers are?"

Take care
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2017, 08:41 PM »
I too had an accident after 20+ years on a tablesaw. Luckily I had purchased a SawStop a few years earlier and damage was only a little groove about the width of the blade on my thumb and it healed up quickly without even a scar. I have never been one to keep that blade guard on, but I always did (an continue to) use push sticks and weatherboards when possible. I am so glad for you that you were not using a dado set.

This is not an endorsement of the SawStop nor it is an "I told you so" posting. It is just a reminder that accidents can happen to anyone and no matter what tool you are using make sure to enable/use all of the safety devices and take your time.

I hope that you are back in the game as soon as possible. Even though my accident was minimal I was still gun shy for several weeks, so that is a totally normal feeling. I have a non-Sawstop portable tablesaw that I use onsite and the guard never comes off except when I am putting it away. If I can't make the cut with the guard then I'll use another tool.

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2017, 09:02 PM »
The table saw blade cut a slot through the end of my index finger thirty something years ago.
For the next couple of weeks I had involuntary Technicolor visions of blood and gore every time I came near the table saw.

After the finger healed I discovered that it's new pointy-ness allowed it to fit perfectly into the dial of a rotary dial phone. That little silver lining was short lived as before long the rotary dial phones were replaced with push button versions.

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2017, 12:47 PM »
How funny, i have the same vision of the blade hitting my finger. I need to get back on that bicycle
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2017, 01:48 PM »
Hi @jobsworth

Hope you are ok mate

I think this is a good post. As we all probably take health and safety at home a little different than at work

We have to have full 5 point PPE at work including no shorts

Face fit tested dust masks for cutting etc

But at home I've been down the shed after Sunday lunch (maybe a beer or two) in my shorts flip flops no mask no glasses routering. Using the chop saw domino etc

GUYS PLEASE BE CAREFUL

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2017, 02:57 PM »
Mick makes a good point and, in my experience, take extra care when a friend drops in and you are doing something to show off a new tool or helping him or her with this or that.

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2017, 05:18 PM »
Thank you for sharing that. A former co-worker of mine (with some 45 years of experience of using woodworking tools) also had a similar finger accident with his tablesaw last summer. His pain was pretty long lasting despite the cut spot looked perfectly fine. His wife gave him two choices: a SawStop or Festool plunge cut saw; he chose the latter after considering the amount of hobby woodworking he still does.

I know many people who still insist that when it comes to tablesaw safety, the only thing that matters is what is between the ears. Call me anything, but I protect myself with a SawStop. During the past three years of ownership, I have turned off the finger-saving feature only once -- to make one single cut.

At the risk of being labelled as a hold-down champion, I must encourage every owner of the Kapex to use the hold-down clamp whenever possible (almost 100% of time for me). I find a mitresaw more dangerous than a tablesaw (the regular kind). If you really don't need and don't want your hold-down clamp, I am interested in buying one. I like what I see in Cheese's photos: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/kapex-blade-guard-stuck/msg520984/?topicseen#msg520984   Dual clamps!
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2017, 05:39 PM »
I too had an accident after 20+ years on a tablesaw. Luckily I had purchased a SawStop a few years earlier and damage was only a little groove about the width of the blade on my thumb and it healed up quickly without even a scar. I have never been one to keep that blade guard on, but I always did (an continue to) use push sticks and weatherboards when possible. I am so glad for you that you were not using a dado set.


Please consider installing its over-the-table dust collection system (among the best, if not the best dust collection for cabinet saws). It gives you great incentive to leave the guard on (which is an essential part of the dust collection system). Except for cuts like dado cuts or narrow cuts, you would not want to remove the guard because it really sucks (dust)! With my filtration system on, I now don't even wear a mask at the tablesaw even when I cut MDF (unless they are strips).
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2017, 11:37 PM »
Glad the incident wasn't worse @jobsworth and it was just a finger tip this time, and a great reminder that it can happen to anyone no matter the amount of experience.

Gonna be extra careful tomorrow on my Table Saw.  Don't have the Sawstop, but I do have the Jessem TS stock guides, which add an extra level of safety: http://www.jessem.com/clear-cut-ts-stock-guides.html 
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2017, 04:44 AM »
Just last week Matthias Wandel put up a movie of sticking his finger in his running table saw (no real harm done, btw). Watching the movie, it is easy to proclaim: "Yebbut, that has got to be the dumbest move I've ever seen, leaning over a running blade like that", but, well, you know, it ALWAYS starts with something dumb.

Table saws scare me. As such, I've gotten rid of mine, eventhough I never even removed the guard. Sure I'm not as "productive" - as if that matters for a hobbiest - now that I have to do everything with the plunge saw, but handling machinery while quite literally shaking in your boots is just not worth the hassle.

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2017, 09:08 AM »
Sometimes, it is the most unexpected things that catch you out.

I had a batch of paving slabs standing upright in a crate - some leaning to one side, some to the other.  It turns out the crate wasn't exactly level, so the ones on the 'high' side were almost vertical. The stack on the right fell over against the ones on the left, trapping my fingers.

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The sharp edge, and the weight of the slabs, was enough to cut through all 4 fingers - and right through the tendon in my middle finger.  Don't enlarge the next picture if you are squeamish!  And wear gloves!

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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2017, 01:01 PM »
I have seen the samething happen when a friend tried to hlp me on a job. Luckily, Iwas there to pry the pile away so h only ended up with a few bruises.  This past weekend, I was moving some cement blocks and another friend wanted to help me. I was putting ties (6x6) and some mason materials into the bucket of my tractor.  I told the guy I would handle he concrete blocks, but he jusy grabbed one and very quickly slid the block into the loader bucket nearly trapping his hand between bucket and block. I hate when people try to help with heavy items when they are not used to handling same. 
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2017, 05:06 PM »
Festool has done 2 outstanding things for woodworker safety while conducting their business:
1.  The tracksaw and TS55 and TS75 greatly improve wood worker safety, particularly when doing things like breaking up sheet goods like plywood, MDF etc.   And the system cuts accurately -- limited only by operator proficiency!
2.  And now SawStop!

These 2 systems complement each other from a safety standpoint.  Thank you to the Stoll family and employees for all of the work they have done and continue to do .

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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2017, 03:44 AM »
Festool has done 2 outstanding things for woodworker safety while conducting their business:
1.  The tracksaw and TS55 and TS75 greatly improve wood worker safety, particularly when doing things like breaking up sheet goods like plywood, MDF etc.   And the system cuts accurately -- limited only by operator proficiency!
2.  And now SawStop!

These 2 systems complement each other from a safety standpoint.  Thank you to the Stoll family and employees for all of the work they have done and continue to do .
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2017, 04:11 AM »
Oops!  I must have pushed the wrong button.  It just shows how mistakes can happen.
I agree about Festools contribution to safety.  The tracksaw is a very important safety device.

I have been using table saws for about 70 years off and on.  I have never had an accident to either hand.  That is somewhat related to the fear. I don't mean I was feared using a table saw, but I recognized the danger.  When I piched up my very first ATF 55 with its track, There was no more worry about feeding my fingers to the monster.  I threw away my Crapsman TS and decided never o use another table saw.

A douple of years ago, I decided to get a small portable table saw.  I found it to be handy in many ways >>> but <<< the saw is so small, but nearly as powerful as my old saw, and my hands are always sooo close to that blade, I am not comfortable using it anymore.

Throw into the mix, I have developed carpel tunnel in my left wrist.  I am left handed.  A year ago, I had a slight heart attack and as luck would have it, I ran into some people who worked very hard to steer me towards writing.  During my recovery time, I spent a lot of time at the computer.  Because I use the old H&P system of typing by using only my two index fingers, the first two fingers and my thumb are nearly void of feeling in the first two joints of each of those fingers (left hand only). I find all kinds of problems with picking up things, especially small items, with my left hand.  I am learning all sorts of new ways around such problems.  I am no longer interested in using that small portable table saw as much as before.  My TS 55 is used nearly 100% for any cutting with no fear of seeing fingers flying across a room because I did not know where my fingers were as I feed the wood to those spinning teeth.

Yes, I thank Festool for inventing the tracksaw.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2017, 09:46 AM »
Ron's mishap has prompted me to share a simple workshop safety gadget that I have made for cutting small pieces on the Kapex.

I have created a new thread which can be found here:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/various-woodworking-crafts-topics/nifty-neatos-1-video/

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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2017, 06:26 PM »
I have to give full credit to my gunsmith on one thing (others, too, but this was most applicable here).  He said that there are days when it seems that little, if anything, is going right.  When he's having one of those "out of balance days", he just shuts down and goes home rather than mess up a customer's weapon.  I've adopted that thinking. 
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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2017, 08:39 PM »
I have to give full credit to my gunsmith on one thing (others, too, but this was most applicable here).  He said that there are days when it seems that little, if anything, is going right.  When he's having one of those "out of balance days", he just shuts down and goes home rather than mess up a customer's weapon.  I've adopted that thinking.

I was a mason contractor for many moons.  I loved doing stonework and was fortunate to land many bragging right jobs. Some days, every stone found a place almost immediately.  I would be on a roll and did not want to quit.  There were times, tho, when I just could not see how anything was going to fit. Those days, I would just take a walk in the woods to clear my head. If the walk in the woods did not work, i just quit for the day and either went to another job or home.  I did not fight the feeling.  When I returned, the same stones were in the pile, but they all seemed to jump into place.
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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2017, 08:52 PM »
Ron,

From personal experience please don't push yourself to "get back in the saddle".  If you are uneasy, just walk away.

In 2003 I fell off of a two story roof onto a set of steps leading to deck.  I walked away sore after picking up my tools and ladders.  It took me far longer than a year before I could get onto a roof again. 

What is right for you is right for you in time.

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Re: Public Service Announcement
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2017, 10:21 PM »
I like what I see in Cheese's photos: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/kapex-blade-guard-stuck/msg520984/?topicseen#msg520984   Dual clamps!

Dual clamps, but NOT used at the same time...that's the most important element. Dual clamps used at the same time capture an off-cut, provide no escape route and will ensure a catastrophic problem.

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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2017, 10:32 PM »
I have to give full credit to my gunsmith on one thing (others, too, but this was most applicable here).  He said that there are days when it seems that little, if anything, is going right.  When he's having one of those "out of balance days", he just shuts down and goes home rather than mess up a customer's weapon.  I've adopted that thinking.

Ya, a friend of mine loves to say in French, there's a time to make things happen and there's a time to let things happen.

It's so true...forcing an issue just doesn't work, but when the synergy is right, the success is inevitable.
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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2017, 11:24 PM »
I like what I see in Cheese's photos: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/kapex-blade-guard-stuck/msg520984/?topicseen#msg520984   Dual clamps!

Dual clamps, but NOT used at the same time...that's the most important element. Dual clamps used at the same time capture an off-cut, provide no escape route and will ensure a catastrophic problem.

By dual clamps, I meant the convenience you have of a hold-down clamp on either side of the blade. Sometimes, when I make angle cuts, I have to switch back and forth the stock on the opposite side of the blade and repositioning the clamp after each cut is not fun.

Are there any more affordable third-party hold-down clamps for the Kapex?

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« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2017, 11:58 PM »
By dual clamps, I meant the convenience you have of a hold-down clamp on either side of the blade.

Ya, I understand your statement completely, I spent the extra $$ for the second hold down strictly because of convenience. I don't like to spend money more than anyone else does, however convenience plays a huge part in my expenditures. 40 years ago, I had more time than money, 40 years hence I now have more money (that's relative) than time.

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« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2017, 06:48 AM »
Ron,

From personal experience please don't push yourself to "get back in the saddle".  If you are uneasy, just walk away.

In 2003 I fell off of a two story roof onto a set of steps leading to deck.  I walked away sore after picking up my tools and ladders.  It took me far longer than a year before I could get onto a roof again. 

What is right for you is right for you in time.

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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2017, 12:46 PM »
I feel good about getting on the bike again. After talking to a lot of people here, other sites, that finishing class I took, the majority of them have had injuries.

What I am kicking myself over is I just remembered a different technique/set up that I could of used the TS 55 and guide rail to do the same cut and I wouldnt of had the accident.

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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2017, 08:22 PM »
I feel good about getting on the bike again. After talking to a lot of people here, other sites, that finishing class I took, the majority of them have had injuries.

What I am kicking myself over is I just remembered a different technique/set up that I could of used the TS 55 and guide rail to do the same cut and I wouldnt of had the accident.

 Live and learn...

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