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greenMonster

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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2012, 10:18 PM »

this was your first mistake...
"uhh... do I need to bring my tools, or will I be standing there holding the window?"
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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2012, 10:25 PM »

What an insult. 

You have better things to do my friend.  Smile

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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2012, 09:50 AM »

Hi Vin, It was great meeting you @ ToolNut yesterday.  I'm really sorry that you could not dip into your pocket and pay for a domino 500 for me to take home with me.  Friend!!!  Scared  Poke

You did the right thing and i think you should stay FAR AWAY from that company.  The owner is heading for big problems down the road if he is hiring supervisory help with zilch experience and knowledge. Sooner or later, he will be liable to a lawsuit for shoddy work.  do you think for a minute he would not drag all who had a hand in his "problem" into the action?  Your "friend" is just as bad.  Granted, he is ignorant of real wages and quality work.  He should have asked how much you would charge first.  He is not smart enough to ask such a question.  Stay Away Joe 

Sooner, or later, that outfit will be under the microscope and you might find yourself on the plate should you go along with them.  With all of the new regulations coming up over next couple of years, it will be tough enough to survive without having such "friends"

You are a lot nicer guy than i might have been in such a situation.

Many moons ago, i had a couple of friends who would ask me for an estimate to DO a job for them.  I gave honest estimates and next thing i knew, they were doing the jobs themselves.  I would gladly have helped them work out the estimates for nothing and even helped with the logistical info had they been honest.  In both cases, the next time they asked me to figure a job, i gave them a real lowball estimate and made sure i was real busy should they have called me to do the jobs.  In both cases, they took a real beating on the jobs and hated me forever after.  "Sorry guys, I must have made a mistook in my figuring."  My mistook was in figuring they were "friends."

Stick to you first impression, Vin.  You were right on, maybe even too generous.
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2012, 03:38 PM »

For Friends I don't really charge, well a case of guinness depending on what it is. When it comes to some mindless labor on the weekend or for someone I have done work for before and I know they are on a tight budget with kids etc I charge a min of $200 a day for 7-8 hrs. This is usually when I have a good idea that there is more work in the future or they have passed on my name and I have received more work and expanded my customer base.

For this friend of yours who is working for an idiot contractor, that one of us on this board ends up going behind and fixing his crap and having to charge the poor home owner more money to do it right, he should collect his checks while he can and look for someone else to work for. He won't stay in biz long like that. These are the contractors that  me off, (1) Screwing up the idea of what a contractor is to home owners (2) because I end up fixing there crap (although that is job security for me) and (3)  They could hire me for a little more money, had it done right and still saved in the end.

Thanks for not "helping"
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2012, 08:25 PM »

I do not discount my labor.  If a friend wants my help, they have to pay full price.  If they don't like it, find someone else.

My parents are the only one's who get free labor.

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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2012, 09:42 PM »

Charging labor with friends depends on weather or not friends return like wise labor with their expertise or comparable help.  Friends that ask for help without reciprocation because they know your "expert" in a certain skill without some sort of "quid pro quo" might just be taking advantage of you.  Of course beer goes a long way Wink
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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2012, 07:53 AM »

I have two friends that I will do the free thing with, largely because I know that when I need help it's readily given.  We all keep an eye on what I will call "equivalent hours" so nobody gets far out of balance.  My kid gets labor for free, but has to house and feed me when I'm at his place.  Everyone else is told up front that this is how I make my living, that I will charge them a fair price for what they get, and that if this is not acceptable to find someone else and see what they get.  I briefly dated a woman (quite a few years ago) who knew I worked in construction.  She made the mistake of thinking that after a ten hour day I would come to her place and remodel her home for free.  Needless to say, that relationship was rapidly terminated. 

 
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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2012, 09:56 AM »

I have two friends that I will do the free thing with, largely because I know that when I need help it's readily given.  We all keep an eye on what I will call "equivalent hours" so nobody gets far out of balance. 

 I briefly dated a woman (quite a few years ago) who knew I worked in construction.  She made the mistake of thinking that after a ten hour day I would come to her place and remodel her home for free.  Needless to say, that relationship was rapidly terminated. 

 

Yeah the friends are only 2.  Their parents helped me as well as they did when I was 15 living on my own. They did a lot and I feel I could never repay them. Still great friends after 28 and 30+ years. Those friends and families are few and far between.

Beer is good, People are Crazy  lol

Had the same thing with a women. $35,000 bathroom remodel…Repaired all the crap here kids messed up like doors, holes in the wall etc... and gave her lots of cash. In the end it was cheaper to live on my own and she only sees her side soooo…. lol
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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2012, 09:46 AM »

For me I have just 2 daily rates. $300 or free. (this is for wood work) my day job pays a bit more.

I know there are many that charge less and they are welcome to the problems that come with the jobs. At least if I get problems (I seldom do) I am being paid enough to be happy to fix them.
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« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2012, 04:38 AM »

Just for reference, I generally charge $45-50 an hour, but I almost never have to deal with materials. Most of my clients want to get those themselves, and any problems I run into installing, waiting for delivery, or making do with substandard crap works out to more time spent, which is more money.
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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2012, 07:02 PM »

Vinnie ,

Once more Im a little late to the party but,

 about 10 years ago I subbed out a window install on a home. There was something like 15 block windows to install the subs remove the old and intalled the new. I paid a  2 man crew $100 a window.

They provided a dumpster for the old windows/ waste, tools etc. They set the windows I trimmed out the inside and painted.

I took them a day a half to do the work.

At todays prices a $100 bucks a day, the illegals here dont work for that.

I would of told him for $100 I would teach him how to install them him self on site, stay for 2 window installs then leave and go get lunch.


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