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Offline leakyroof

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Bessey GearKlamp
« on: April 27, 2018, 10:20 AM »
Anyone tried these out yet.. ?Don’t seem to be for sale in the US. Interesting idea for a special needs clamping situation. Not sure how long lived the internal gears would be or what you’d do if a gear tooth chipped off inside the housing. Bessey has both an English and German video of the new clamp. I’ll try to post a link to them
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Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 10:37 AM »
Haven't tried one, but I really like the idea.  Their product video really highlights the increased versatility in tight clamping situations.  I'm not sure about the plastic polyamide parts and gears as they just don't seem as sturdy as the good old metal parts, but time and reviews will tell.  I've used many different Bessey clamps over the years and never had a problem with any of them so these will be interesting to watch.

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2018, 10:46 AM »
Here's the video:


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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2018, 10:59 AM »
Those look really useful! I have definitely had many times when a screw clamp handle would not fit or be in the way and  pistol grip quick clamp would not work either.

Those are on my list.

 Seth

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2018, 11:01 AM »
Definitely seem useful and I'd love to have a few, but yeah, there's also no way these will have the nearly infinite lifespan that traditional bar clamps have.
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2018, 11:37 AM »
Here's the video:


. Thank you for the link... [not worthy]
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2018, 11:40 AM »
Those look really useful! I have definitely had many times when a screw clamp handle would not fit or be in the way and  pistol grip quick clamp would not work either.

Those are on my list.

 Seth
. Mine too for exactly the reasons you posted.  Don’t have to have huge clamping pressure, they have enough at 450 spec for my needs.
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Offline Svar

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2018, 01:46 PM »
Hardly an improvement over pistol grip clamps. I do prefer screw clamps in general for easier control of pressure. However, a more complex design (as in GearKlamp) is more prone to failure.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2018, 02:27 PM by Svar »

Offline PaulH99

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2018, 07:42 PM »
These look really intriguing, but I have my doubts about the longevity of the plastic parts. I have several of the Besey KliKlamp ratcheting lever clamps (http://a.co/dcrwF9W). One dropped from about six feet on to a concrete floor and the upper magnesium arm snapped like a twig. The plastic hand lever didn't fare much better.

I guess I'm saving my pennies for their higher-end version, which are made completely from metal.
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2018, 11:46 PM »
Yeah, they don't look durable or for high pressure, but I still see them as a problem solver to have on hand.

Seth

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2018, 12:04 AM »
Yeah, they don't look durable or for high pressure, but I still see them as a problem solver to have on hand.

Seth

Same here. I'll get a pair.

Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2018, 03:00 AM »
Tried them in store the other day.

I am not 100% sure about the longevity but they should be fine in a "controlled" environment, i.e. minimal risk of dropping and knocking them down and fairly devoid of dust accumulations.

In store they had 450mm and 600mm - a span in which I have plenty already. I have enough 300mm ones too but short good ones are always welcome. I am ok with the Cliclamps but sometimes they are fiddly with only one hand free.

I will get a pair of the 150mm Gearclamp ones, for sure. Not so sure about the other lengths.  But a pair in the assembly kit is worth a try. I asked the dealer to order up a few and convinced him that the short ones are probably the ones to have in store. ;)
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Offline leakyroof

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2018, 06:35 AM »
I sent a message to Bessey NA yesterday to find out if they are available here in North America, or when they would be for sale without having to import them from the UK.
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2018, 05:53 PM »
Hi,

As long as these are used within spec. (2000 N) they should be as durable as any other Bessey product (hopefully). If these are continuously "over torqued" they will fail at some point. I saw them live back in May at Cologne Hardware and as Seth pointed out, these are not meant to replace other (regular) clamps, they are simply problem solving.

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Offline leakyroof

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2018, 09:30 AM »
Thanks Oliver, good to know. I just want 2 or 4 of them in a shorty length.
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Offline leakyroof

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2018, 12:54 PM »
Bessey got back to me.  They’re hoping to introduce the clamps to NA Market in August.
They said they were very pleased with the positive response the new clamps generated in Europe already.  So we will see.
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2018, 06:39 PM »
 I have replaced all my aluminum clamps with Dubuque...now the upcoming release of this new F-clamp design means big trouble for my pocket as I have so many F-clamps (under 24") to replace! [eek] [huh]

Anyone have any clue about the price (450mm) in Europe?
« Last Edit: April 30, 2018, 06:49 PM by ChuckM »

Offline leakyroof

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2018, 08:00 PM »
I have replaced all my aluminum clamps with Dubuque...now the upcoming release of this new F-clamp design means big trouble for my pocket as I have so many F-clamps (under 24") to replace! [eek] [huh]

Anyone have any clue about the price (450mm) in Europe?
. I looked up an On-Line Bessey Distributor in the UK, they had posted prices but I don’t remember what they were... [embarassed]
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2018, 08:02 PM »
I have replaced all my aluminum clamps with Dubuque...now the upcoming release of this new F-clamp design means big trouble for my pocket as I have so many F-clamps (under 24") to replace! [eek] [huh]

Anyone have any clue about the price (450mm) in Europe?
Also, I don’t think you would HAVE to replace the F-Clamps you’ve got.... just add a couple of the new GearKlamps to supplement your Collection.... [scratch chin] [scratch chin]
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2018, 09:54 PM »
I have replaced all my aluminum clamps with Dubuque...now the upcoming release of this new F-clamp design means big trouble for my pocket as I have so many F-clamps (under 24") to replace! [eek] [huh]

Anyone have any clue about the price (450mm) in Europe?
They're on sales right now
http://www.besseytools.co.uk/new-bessey-gearclamp/bessey-gearklamp-gk-transmission-clamp-450-60-quad-pack.html

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2018, 11:32 PM »
Thanks! That works out to be about $40 a piece.

At that kind of price (hopefully the introductory prices would be better because of the size of the market), I will get 1 to (max) 2 sets.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2018, 11:44 PM »
By the way, does anyone know if we can get these at that kind of price in NA?

http://www.besseytools.co.uk/bessey-4-x-deep-throat-clamps-tgn40t30-400-300.html
« Last Edit: April 30, 2018, 11:55 PM by ChuckM »

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2018, 07:56 AM »
By the way, does anyone know if we can get these at that kind of price in NA?

http://www.besseytools.co.uk/bessey-4-x-deep-throat-clamps-tgn40t30-400-300.html
. They aren’t for sale here in North America until August according to the Bessey rep who replied back to my inquiry to them.... See post above..... [smile]
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Offline Gregor

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2018, 11:27 AM »
I think the idea behind the gear clamps is quite interesting.

But it still has a limitation in the range of adjustment (maximum length of the rod that does the actual clamping) as with nearly all clamps which can be quite unfun in case you reach the maximum extension possible while pulling together stuff that isn't cooperative.

A design where the gear would operate on a row of teeth along the rail (instead of extending a rod) would IMHO be the best since bread in slices: This would allow move the clamp block along the full rail under (possibly near the maximum) clamping pressure, the only limit of adjustment through rotating the handle would be the ends of the rail and this would eliminate the need to reset it (as there wouldn't be a clamping rod that can be partly extended after being used).

Add a button to release the gear (while not under load) to allow freely moving the block or pulling it to convert for spreading, have the counter block (like the REVO KRV) moveable (by attaching into the same line of teeth), offer each and all parts individually (single - or in reasonably sized packs for the protective stuff) and it would be the design on top of my shopping list when it comes to clamping.

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2018, 12:16 PM »
I think they'd be handy to have on hand for those odd/difficult clamping tasks that always come up. A quad pack is all I'd need.

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2018, 01:15 PM »
I think the idea behind the gear clamps is quite interesting.
But it still has a limitation in the range of adjustment (maximum length of the rod that does the actual clamping) as with nearly all clamps which can be quite unfun in case you reach the maximum extension possible while pulling together stuff that isn't cooperative.
A design where the gear would operate on a row of teeth along the rail (instead of extending a rod) would IMHO be the best since bread in slices: This would allow move the clamp block along the full rail under (possibly near the maximum) clamping pressure, the only limit of adjustment through rotating the handle would be the ends of the rail and this would eliminate the need to reset it (as there wouldn't be a clamping rod that can be partly extended after being used).
Add a button to release the gear (while not under load) to allow freely moving the block or pulling it to convert for spreading, have the counter block (like the REVO KRV) moveable (by attaching into the same line of teeth), offer each and all parts individually (single - or in reasonably sized packs for the protective stuff) and it would be the design on top of my shopping list when it comes to clamping.
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2018, 01:49 PM »
I think the idea behind the gear clamps is quite interesting.
But it still has a limitation in the range of adjustment (maximum length of the rod that does the actual clamping) as with nearly all clamps which can be quite unfun in case you reach the maximum extension possible while pulling together stuff that isn't cooperative.
A design where the gear would operate on a row of teeth along the rail (instead of extending a rod) would IMHO be the best since bread in slices: This would allow move the clamp block along the full rail under (possibly near the maximum) clamping pressure, the only limit of adjustment through rotating the handle would be the ends of the rail and this would eliminate the need to reset it (as there wouldn't be a clamping rod that can be partly extended after being used).
Add a button to release the gear (while not under load) to allow freely moving the block or pulling it to convert for spreading, have the counter block (like the REVO KRV) moveable (by attaching into the same line of teeth), offer each and all parts individually (single - or in reasonably sized packs for the protective stuff) and it would be the design on top of my shopping list when it comes to clamping.
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.  What’s the clamping pressure of that Quick-Clamp?  Does it reach the 450 rating of the GearKlamp?  My experience with several different brands of those type clamps that you posted is that it’s hard to reach the clamping pressure achieved by my medium to HD F- clamps and cabinet clamps.
My lightweight F-Clamps start bending their bars when you’ve pushed them, maybe they’re in the same league as the Quick Clamps for pressure.
 I’ll have to look up the specs and see
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2018, 02:04 PM »
What’s the clamping pressure of that Quick-Clamp?  Does it reach the 450 rating of the GearKlamp? 
Irwin has one with 600lbs (272kg or 2700N).

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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2018, 02:16 PM »
What’s the clamping pressure of that Quick-Clamp?  Does it reach the 450 rating of the GearKlamp? 
Irwin has one with 600lbs (272kg or 2700N).
  I think that's a HD one, as their Medium Clamps, the ones most used by people are 'up to' 300 lbs, and that Bessey that you posted seems to be listed at a much lower 150 lbs.  Any way, nothing for me to do until August.... [big grin]
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Re: Bessey GearKlamp
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2018, 12:05 AM »
I have a had a good number of times that the quick clamp handle sticking out has been in the way. And also when it would have been nice to be able to control the tightness much more precisely than can be done with the squeeze handle quick clamps.

I don't see it as reinventing the wheel , I see it as another type of clamp in the tool arsenal.

Seth