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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2011, 12:45 PM »

Sorry yep! Scraper plane...
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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2011, 01:23 PM »


The Lie Nielson low angle smoother excells for end grain on the shooting board also.



I also love Lie-Nielsen tools, and have several of them. The quality is top notch.

On my wish list is the #51 shooting board plane, anyone here have any experience with this plane, or the original Stanley #51?

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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2011, 03:46 PM »

Hi Yes I have one but not really used it, but this guy has both and made a review which makes good reading

Cheers Peter


http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/shooting-planes-compared-t49355.html
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2011, 06:45 PM »

This is what I ordered my scraper plane for.

i) Inlay running perpendicular and parallel to the grain.
ii) A little bit of glue squeeze-out here and there.
iii) Ribbon sapele with a wild grain pattern.

I don't think you can tackle this with any sander, or bench plane. And since I have eight of these legs inlaid on all four sides, a scraper plane seemed to be the best option.





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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2011, 07:05 PM »

Peter, thanks for that link.  Good article  Thumbs Up

Nice legs Richard  Tongue Out

Oh Guy, you didnt need much of a push to get the Kapex & stand though eh, a slight breeze would have tipped you over that edge  Tongue Out
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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2011, 07:08 PM »


Nice legs Richard  Tongue Out

I hope this isn't referring to me in a kilt again  Ban ...and incidentally, only my mother calls me Richard  Wink

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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2011, 07:11 PM »

Ha Ha, dont flatter yourself, i was actually refering to Mr Leons table legs  Poke
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« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2011, 07:16 PM »

Ha Ha, dont flatter yourself, i was actually refering to Mr Leons table legs  Poke

Lucky for you. In which case I'll happily agree; I'd like to see more of that piece, if possible Richard? It looks lovely.
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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2011, 11:35 AM »

Hi,

In response to the posts above, I made a video of me using the scraper plane to level some inlay. It's not the best video, but fortunately my legs are not featured! I hope it shows how efficient and easy the Lie Nielsen scraper plane is to use.

Lie Nielsen Scraper Plane




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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2011, 12:11 PM »

Richard, very good video even without your legs.
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« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2011, 01:08 PM »

I cant get the video to play.  Is it still working or is it my pooter  Blink
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« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2011, 01:27 PM »

Still works.  Must be AINAO.
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« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2011, 01:41 PM »

Still works.  Must be AINAO.

Nope, works for me...maybe Woodguy spends too much money on his planes, and not enough on his 'pooter?  Poke Poke Eating Popcorn
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« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2011, 01:49 PM »

 Ban
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« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2011, 04:33 PM »

Hi,

In response to the posts above, I made a video of me using the scraper plane to level some inlay. It's not the best video, but fortunately my legs are not featured! I hope it shows how efficient and easy the Lie Nielsen scraper plane is to use.

Lie Nielsen Scraper Plane



Excellent video Richard!  I'm going to add the scraper plane to my wish list.  Please post pictures of those (table) legs as your project progresses.
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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2011, 12:55 AM »

Hi,

In response to the posts above, I made a video of me using the scraper plane to level some inlay. It's not the best video, but fortunately my legs are not featured! I hope it shows how efficient and easy the Lie Nielsen scraper plane is to use.

Richard:
Great video! Thanks.
Can we see more of your table project?

Tim
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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2011, 09:18 AM »

Ya Richard, really good video and now I want to see the whole piece.
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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2011, 09:36 AM »

Hi,

In response to the posts above, I made a video of me using the scraper plane to level some inlay. It's not the best video, but fortunately my legs are not featured! I hope it shows how efficient and easy the Lie Nielsen scraper plane is to use.

Richard:
Great video! Thanks.
Can we see more of your table project?

Tim

I agree Richard, this was an excellent video that I found genuinely interesting. I'd love to see more.

Cheers,
Rick
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« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2011, 03:31 PM »

Cool, it works now.  Nice work Richard.  When you sharpen that blade, do you still need to produce a "Hook"edge like you do with a card scraper ?

Cheers, Woodguy.
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« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2011, 03:35 PM »

On the Lie-Nielsen blade in my antique Stanley 112 I do NOT use a burr/hook edge.  I have a hook on the old Kunz blade I use for rough work.   You can add a burr to increase the depth of scraping for rough work such as glue removal.
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« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2011, 03:36 PM »

OK Garry, thanks.  Sharpened the same as any plane blade then.
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« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2011, 03:45 PM »

Thanks, guys, I really appreciate the remarks. I have to finish the inlay on the legs and veneer the aprons next which should be really challenging. I will take some pictures as I go.

One thing to note about the scraper plane is that it seemed to require much more frequent sharpening than a normal plane blade. I am not sure if this is because sapele is a harder wood to work than my usual walnut or cherry, or because the steeper blade angle mean it dulls more quickly, but once the blade becomes dull the plane becomes hard to work and the finish is rougher.

But it is fast. I did all 32 faces in just a couple of hours. I don't think I could have done it as fast with a rotex going from 100 to 150 to 180 to 220 grit, although my arms would have ached a little less the morning after!

Woodguy, according to Lie Nielsen, a hook is optional. They say that if you do put a hook on the blade, you will take a more aggressive cut which is not what I wanted in this case. You will also have more sharpening to do every time as you will have to take off the hook, maybe drop down to 1000 grit to clean up the blade geometry and then hone at 4000 and 8000 grit. I just rehoned the blade at 8000 every time. Took just a few passes each time and the edge is good again.

Richard.


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« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2011, 10:20 PM »

Legs ready for finishing. Now I'm veneering the aprons and sides. This is the fun bit.

The eight finished legs. The main inlay is Karelian Birch from Scandinavia.





A good tip is to bevel the bottom of your legs as early on as possible in any project. This will avoid chipping if they catch on the floor, table edge etc.



Here is the little side piece already veneered. The sides and apron are to be veneered from a single sheet so the grain will wrap continuously around the sideboard. Old school meets new school- all the joinery is done with the domino.



My old school vacuum press setup. This is the front apron in the press. I use white glue for veneering which has always worked well for me in the past.



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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2011, 11:01 PM »

Richard, hopefully Shane shows this thread to Christian who asks you to be a guest instructor every so often at their training facilities.  This is a good sales pitch for them since it shows how someone can create such beautiful pieces with traditional hand tools and Festool products.  I think Brice should be forced to be the first student since he just LOVES working with hand tools.  Big Grin
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« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2011, 11:15 PM »

It is looking wonderful Richard.  I really enjoy working with handtools and you are whetting my appetite for more progress & pictures of your project.  Tongue Out
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« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2011, 11:24 PM »

Lookin' good Richard!
Made in Canada eh!
I like that vacuum press, judging from the results it looks like it works pretty well.
Thanks for the update.
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« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2011, 11:46 PM »

Thanks, guys. It's all coming together now. As well as the hand tools, I think I have used every Festool I own on this project!

I used my ETS 125 for the first time on the birch inlay and it was amazing. I know some people on the FOG have mixed feelings about this sander, but I started with Brilliant 180 then 220 and within a few seconds I had a great finish and was never in danger of burning through the veneer. It's a really gentle sander but the finish is perfect.

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« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2011, 02:55 AM »

Richard, that is looking really good.  A couple of questions,

The inlay that goes around the top of the leg, did you make it or buy it ?
You say you sanded the top inlay.  Were you not worried about cross contamination of dust from the dark to the light ?  Was this not the point of the scraper plane ?

Not criticizing, just wondered why.  Looking forward to seeing this one progress.

Woodguy



Oh, I'm sure Rick is fine with you hijacking his thread  Big Grin
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« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2011, 06:52 AM »

Richard, that is looking really good.  A couple of questions,

The inlay that goes around the top of the leg, did you make it or buy it ?
You say you sanded the top inlay.  Were you not worried about cross contamination of dust from the dark to the light ?  Was this not the point of the scraper plane ?

Not criticizing, just wondered why.  Looking forward to seeing this one progress.

Woodguy



Oh, I'm sure Rick is fine with you hijacking his thread  Big Grin

Woodguy, I bought the inlay.

Also, I wasn't worried about dust in the top inlay because the area is so much larger that if the edges did become blurred you would not be able to notice it. The burls also have dark streaks in them which would hide any crossover.

With the 1/16" inlay on the legs, I had to keep the lines crisp or you would easily see it. As it happened, I did scrape some areas but burls are so delicate that I preferred to go with the ETS.

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« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2011, 10:12 AM »

Richard,

It would be nice to see a close-up of the store bought banding.  Are you fully satisfied with it?  I am about to set up the jigs to make my own banding.  Thicker parts will be solid ebony and holly but the the thin black and white will be black dyed pearwood veneer and white sycamore veneer.  It just drives me nuts that at least 2/3 of the glued-up blank will be turned in to sawdust when the table saw is used to cut individual strips from the blank.

Also, when dealing with black and white inlaid strips next to each other, a spit coat of shellac concentrating it on the banding strips before sanding with the ETS 125 and above average vacuum suction will usually eliminate cross contamination.  The sanding will remove the shellac which is probably what you were going to use for a finish anyway.

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