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Offline Wim

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Fastcap tape rulers
« on: October 05, 2011, 05:32 PM »
A few months ago I bought a Fastcap tape ruler. I want to keep my normal way of working so I needed a metric version and they could deliver. Beside that I have seen positive reports about Fastcap.
But at some moment the central shaft where the spring was attached to desintegrated when I was almost at the end of the tape. As an engineer I could see that the shaft material was way too britle. The old rule was true, the cheapest part of the unit caused it to fail. So I send a e-mail with some pictures of the damage to Fastcap. Next day I received an answer with excuses and a promise to replace the ruler. They have a lifelong guarantee. My pictures were send to their engineering department for evaluation.
Today I received a box from Fastcap with three (3) tape rulers, all metric.
Bottomline is that there are more companies with a Festool-style level of service. OK, Festool has no production in China so my type mishap will be less likely to happen.

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Offline Ken Nagrod

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 05:43 PM »
FastCap does have excellent customer service, but you must understand (or accept) the way their products are.  They seem to be hit or miss with the importance to them of keeping manufacturing costs extremely low and parts/design costs extremely low, all for efficiency.  They like to run a lean, profitable machine.  I'd venture to say that for the amount of people actually contacting them about tool failures compared to sales, it's probably such a small percentage that they don't mind sending those other couple of tapes your way -- barely affecting their profits.  That can be viewed in both a good and bad way.  Personally I would like them to put more thought and quality into their products and get a tighter quality control out of their manufacturing overseas.  I'm sure not everyone shares my feelings though.

Offline mastercabman

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 06:47 PM »
FastCap does have excellent customer service, but you must understand (or accept) the way their products are.  They seem to be hit or miss with the importance to them of keeping manufacturing costs extremely low and parts/design costs extremely low, all for efficiency.  They like to run a lean, profitable machine.  I'd venture to say that for the amount of people actually contacting them about tool failures compared to sales, it's probably such a small percentage that they don't mind sending those other couple of tapes your way -- barely affecting their profits.  That can be viewed in both a good and bad way.  Personally I would like them to put more thought and quality into their products and get a tighter quality control out of their manufacturing overseas.  I'm sure not everyone shares my feelings though.
But i do! [wink]
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline Ken Nagrod

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 06:54 PM »
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Offline Alan m

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 07:00 PM »
i agree with you two ken.
i bought a chop saw hood off of them and the plastic part (most critical part that should be metal) cracked straight away. emailed them and they said it was the cold (we have the warm atlantic drift that keeps us warmer than places lower than us on the map) anyway they sent a whole new unit and a bottle of 2p10 to fixt the first one all the way over here. thats great service. sham about the lack of quality control
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 06:49 AM »
I'd rather pay more for an item and know it's going to be 1) dead-on accurate, 2) dependable, and 3) of consistent quality all the way through than buy something extremely low-dollar and have the blasted thing quit when I'm in the middle of Bumwad, Virginia or on top of a ladder trying to mount a set of cabinets.  Frankly, having been burned a number of times by buying junk made in China, regardless of brand name, I choose to boycott anything made in China and tell the brand company that I won't buy from them so long as they manufacture crap in China.  That includes Fastcap. 

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Offline fdengel

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 03:03 PM »
I actually just got one of their tapes.

1. Available in metric
2. The model I got has diamonds on the 32mm marks (nice plus)
3. The tape is one of the easiest ones I've seen to read.


Offline Ken Nagrod

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 03:15 PM »
I actually just got one of their tapes.

1. Available in metric
2. The model I got has diamonds on the 32mm marks (nice plus)
3. The tape is one of the easiest ones I've seen to read.



Check out the full tape length carefully.  Look at all of the printing, make sure it's all on there and check it against a known quality standard--inside and outside measurements, because of the hook adjustability.  Just because it looks cool doesn't mean it's good.

Hope you did get a good one!

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 04:17 PM »
FastCap does have excellent customer service, but you must understand (or accept) the way their products are.  They seem to be hit or miss with the importance to them of keeping manufacturing costs extremely low and parts/design costs extremely low, all for efficiency.  They like to run a lean, profitable machine.  I'd venture to say that for the amount of people actually contacting them about tool failures compared to sales, it's probably such a small percentage that they don't mind sending those other couple of tapes your way -- barely affecting their profits.  That can be viewed in both a good and bad way.  Personally I would like them to put more thought and quality into their products and get a tighter quality control out of their manufacturing overseas.  I'm sure not everyone shares my feelings though.
But i do! [wink]

Me Too!
 I have a variety of their measuring tapes -- if you stretch a few of them side by side you'll see differences in the linear dimension.  For the price I wouldn't expect Starrett quality.  As long as you work with the same tape through an entire project (don't mix them) it generally isn't a  problem, a little like using it as a story stick.  [unsure]

Offline fdengel

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 06:55 AM »
I actually just got one of their tapes.

1. Available in metric
2. The model I got has diamonds on the 32mm marks (nice plus)
3. The tape is one of the easiest ones I've seen to read.



Check out the full tape length carefully.  Look at all of the printing, make sure it's all on there and check it against a known quality standard--inside and outside measurements, because of the hook adjustability.  Just because it looks cool doesn't mean it's good.

Hope you did get a good one!

Me too...

The printing is all there.  I checked the first few inches of it against a few things and it looks very close.  I don't have a general expectation of perfection in measuring from a tape measure -- this actually appears to be much closer to dead on than I would normally trust one for, so I'm happy with it at this point.

Offline JLB builders LLC

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2011, 09:51 PM »
Go to HD…hate that store around here but… and check out the Husky tapes. Life time warranty and the 16' tape I bought has metric and imperial with a 10x tougher material on it. I also like the magnetic triangle hook, it allows hooking from just about any corner(not Prostitution) or angle  [wink]

Been doing a lot of trim with it and haven't gotten frustrated yet. HD is local to most people and returns/swaps are easier than by mail.
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Offline rookie08

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 08:18 AM »
Hey Jamie,

Went to the borg and checked out the Husky's (been using the Fastcaps for a couple of years).  Pretty impressed  [eek] and bought one to try.  Been using it for the last week or so and it's great.  Now if they could add the writing pad and the sharpener like the Fastcaps I have it would be pretty close to perfect. [big grin]


Offline JLB builders LLC

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 07:09 AM »
Hey Jamie,

Went to the borg and checked out the Husky's (been using the Fastcaps for a couple of years).  Pretty impressed  [eek] and bought one to try.  Been using it for the last week or so and it's great.  Now if they could add the writing pad and the sharpener like the Fastcaps I have it would be pretty close to perfect. [big grin]


[thumbs up] Thats how I get my exercise, measure walk to the saw and then go back to measure.  [doh]
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Offline Ken Nagrod

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2011, 08:46 PM »
Jamie,

I took a look at those Husky tape measures at HD today.  Those 16' tapes seem like a really good all around size.  I looked at the 25' also and those were strictly inch tapes showing 1/16th's.  The 16' tapes have either all inches or combo inches and meters showing 1/32ds for the first 12" and then 1/16ths thereafter with markings every millimeter for the metric edge of the tape.  The underside is marked in inches on all tape lengths and the numbers face the hook of the tape instead of the usual side facing numbers.

The hook seems extremely aggressive.  I'm sure it'll hold no matter what it grabs onto, magnetic or otherwise.  For that reason, I might have some reservations about using it on fine woods and furniture.  I didn't pick one up today, but I may, soon.  Thanks for letting us know about them.

Offline thiel

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 12:20 AM »
Gang,

I highly recommend Tajima tape measures.   I made it my mission a few years back to find a good tape measure... and I did!

Offline SteveC

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 03:19 PM »
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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 04:24 PM »
Has anyone every used the Festool Imperial/Metric tape measure?  Seems intriguing...

Offline JLB builders LLC

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 04:51 PM »
Have one, not worth it…. reminds me of a tape for sewing. To tiny and flimsy
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Offline thiel

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 09:37 PM »
Agree with JLB.  It's a small, flimsy rule and it's hard to tell the difference between the metric and imperial scales.

Offline erock

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2011, 10:10 PM »
I have a Festool tape measure.  It collects dust in my shop.  I think I tried to use it a couple times, but it is too small for my hands.  The only good thing about it is the ability to measure for a radius.
I have a couple Fastcap tape measures and I am pleased with those.  I do like the flatback the most. 

Offline Kevin Stricker

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2012, 11:46 PM »
I have a couple Fastcap rules and both suffer from a weak tape clamp.  The one is about a year old and got lots of use (green lefty righty) the other is about 1 month old and is their new pro carpenter design.  I really like the readability, pencil sharpener, shape, and 32mm marks.  If I can't lock a tape down so I can make an accurate mark it is pretty useless to me. 

I used a 16' Husky for a couple years, but always was battling with the imperial/metric measurements.  I think it is due to the width of the tape, but found myself marking from the back side often to get a good imperial measurement.  The hook while good is also deadly on finished materials. The belt clip is on the weak side and the tape tends to pops off at the worst times.

The 16' Bostich is a great general carpentry tape, with better visibility and hook design than a Fatmax.  It's standout is also excellent.

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 08:15 AM »
The 16' Bostich is a great general carpentry tape, with better visibility and hook design than a Fatmax.  It's standout is also excellent.

Concur on the Bostitch 16'.  It's dead-nuts on the money with my reference standard rule, and that hook is one that just doesn't slip off. 

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Offline morts10n

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2012, 12:31 AM »
I tried the Fastcap tape measures but didn't like them because the rivet plate for the hook obscures too much of the of the first inch. Stanley 16' are my go-to, especially since a bought 8 of them at Home Depot for $1.99 ea. ( obviously miss-marked but their loss, my gain).  I'm curious about the Tajima ones, though.

Offline Bill Chang

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2012, 10:42 AM »
I've been using Tajima tape measures for the last year and it's held up very well.  Black on off white is easy to read under all lighting conditions, neon pink highlights every 12", small back diamond on 16" spreads, metric and imperial on the same side for select models, smooth spool, good hook, nice rubber armor.  Dropped it a couple times no problems.

Unfortunately not made in Japan anymore.  Might try and find some on my trip over next time to Asia  [eek]
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Offline JIM C

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2017, 08:43 PM »
I will be calling Fast Cap.  I have a few of their tapes and they all work fine except for the fact that the black rubberlike coating on the body makes black scuff marks on the wood being measured.  This is very difficult to remove.
I don't like that!

JIM

Offline magellan

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2017, 07:19 AM »
I have used Lufkin tapes for over 30 years in commercial construction.  Steel erection and layout. I find them to be pretty well made.  I've only seen them with Imperial measurements.  In my shop I have one metric rule that I love and would like to have another.  I received it at one of FELDER's open house's in Delaware.   They were giving them away as you entered.  It's perfect for the shop it 16' that's all I need and it's well made.  Maybe I'll have to go to another open house

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2017, 09:33 AM »
I'm still a huge fan of the Fat Max 16'.  For my most recent project I bought a fast cap and festool tape. Not a fan of either. To small and fragil.

The orange place a few times a year has a 16' & 25' fat max together for $19.99. Just picked up three sets yesterday. Can never have to many.

Offline fdengel

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2017, 11:35 AM »
I have one or two of the Fat Max tapes - I generally prefer those for more construction-oriented stuff and the Fast Cap ones I have for woodworking.

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2017, 11:43 AM »
I'll just add my +1 on the Tajima since this thread has been revived.  What I like is that the tab nests a little ways inside the body, so there's much less chance of it denting/warping if you drop it on the ground (which I do all the time).  Also the tape has a significant amount of tension on it with the lock off, such that the body hugs the opposite edge of the board, leaving both hands free to make a perfect mark.

Gang,

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2017, 01:15 PM »
FastCap does have excellent customer service, but you must understand (or accept) the way their products are.  They seem to be hit or miss with the importance to them of keeping manufacturing costs extremely low and parts/design costs extremely low, all for efficiency.  They like to run a lean, profitable machine.  I'd venture to say that for the amount of people actually contacting them about tool failures compared to sales, it's probably such a small percentage that they don't mind sending those other couple of tapes your way -- barely affecting their profits.  That can be viewed in both a good and bad way.  Personally I would like them to put more thought and quality into their products and get a tighter quality control out of their manufacturing overseas.  I'm sure not everyone shares my feelings though.

I agree with this.  I checked my fastcap against a rule and it was off 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch.  Changed to another brand and it was dead on.

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2017, 10:18 AM »
  I checked my fastcap against a rule and it was off 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch.  Changed to another brand and it was dead on.

Same here, I was having an issue with some boards not coming out the right length, after lots of investigation I finally realized my fast cap tape measure was off by 3/32".  I then went and checked every other tape I had, and they were all spot on, including the dirt cheap freebee ones I've gotten, the craftsmen ones, Stanley and lufkin.  Tossed all the Fastcap tapes in the trash and won't be buying anything else from them.

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Offline grbmds

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Re: Fastcap tape rulers
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2017, 10:30 AM »
Love the Fastcap Flatback tape for measuring short distances. The Flatback allows the tape to lay flat on the wood and, because of that, gives a much more precise and accurate measurement. I found they are very accurate when compared against my Woodpeckers rules and squares. They come in a metric/imperial version and that's handy. The most annoying thing about these tapes is that they don't last very long. Since I am not a full-time woodworker, they don't get very heavy use. I'm on my 4th and 5th in the past 5 years. One drop on the floor usually destroys the return mechanism. Fastcap is always willing to replace them free of charge. However, it's just kind of annoying that they need to be replace so often. Fastcap has great service, I agree. The tapes aren't one of their higher quality products however.
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